Badabing888
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According to the Times, UK from 2021.
Turin in pole position to take over from London for the ATP WTFs
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A mistake to take it away from London IMO.
The British in general love tennis and in London there are enough well heeled customers to splurge on the tickets.
Turin, for all its provincial charm, just doesn’t cut it.
The British in general love tennis and in London there are enough well heeled customers to splurge on the tickets.
Turin, for all its provincial charm, just doesn’t cut it.
Legend of Borg
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finally, they managed to wrest this tournament away from the British
bring it on!
bring it on!
Legend of Borg
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wasn't there some talk recently about it being moved to tokyo?
Noletheking
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Yes wtf should lose out on money just to cater to your opinion. Let people decide what is charming and it's great to take tennis to places where tennis is not that popular. Thank you.
tennis_pro
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Now please don't use the same blue clay court they use in London, that surface is a disgrace.
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Well as I inferred, Turin may not be a great commercial decision.
Luka888
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Listen good people. London has done a great job but the idea is that the WTF keeps moving to other countries and other cities. It can't stay forever in London. That a basic tennis knowledge. I was reading about it a lot btw. Turin might sound strange. Tokyo was another option. IMO Tokyo would be great.
I also disagree with people who say 'it should stay in Europe'. Why? I know it is a very expensive event but I'd move it to anywhere. I'd go as far to see it every a couple of years on a different continent. Why not Africa?
I also disagree with people who say 'it should stay in Europe'. Why? I know it is a very expensive event but I'd move it to anywhere. I'd go as far to see it every a couple of years on a different continent. Why not Africa?
underground
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IMO Tokyo would have been a better move to promote the sport, although if that happens you might need to swap the Asian swing and Indoor European swing around.
airchallenge2
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I was really hoping that Singapore or Tokyo would take it.
Noletheking
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Why not if their bid is higher ? Also people in Turin love sports and tennis at their home city in winters ?sounds ideal to me.
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They can wave goodbye to fat ticket sales.
As long as it's hard court
As long as it's hard court
Noletheking
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Wh
Why would it move? It goes to highest bidder . Also, it's not as if tennis association lack any money so commercialisation is no issue. Taking tennis to places where it's not that popular will only increase it's popularity. I think even move it to india or china .
Mainad
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Mainad
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I believe so. Maybe they decided that Tokyo is too far for players to travel at the end of season (despite Shanghai having held it for several years)?
Mainad
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But the WTF always made good money from the London ticket sales so why would they lose out by keeping it there?
Mainad
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More accurately, London has everything of note. Nothing for us poor provincials up here in the north anymore!
OldschoolKIaus
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Why not Reykjavik?
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So the ATP don’t get any of the ticket revenue?
The city of Turin in conjunction with local promoters makes the bid and hopes to make a profit from the ticket sales?
You are quite sure that is how the contract works? It’s possible I guess.
Nadal_Django
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Because the lava is too fast. We need more slow courts.
Noletheking
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Turin is not as big of London but you are severely underestimating Turin. It's home of one of the biggest football club in world . When Turin can support 2 big football clubs(tickets are not cheap in football matches ) why can't it support wtf? Turin is home to Fiat group owners(including Ferrari and jeep who also own Juventus ) I don't think commercialisation will be an issue.
Noletheking
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Bidding .it goes to highest bidder, revenue from tournament goes to one who is organising event .
ARaj
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/...fers-blow-atp-finals-2020-likely-last-staged/
After a nine-month tender process, the Telegraph understands that ATP executives are likely to rule out another extension – which would be the fourth – to the O2’s hosting agreement. Turin is the favourite to win the new deal, which will last for five years, although Tokyo is also seen as a strong contender.
The loss would not have a direct financial impact on the British game, as all proceeds go directly to the ATP.
Novak Djokovic, who is now the head of the ATP player council, has been calling for a move since 2014. Djokovic’s restlessness was only held at bay by London’s profitability. The tournament was established in 2009 by Chris Kermode, the 54-year-old Briton who is now in his final year as ATP president, and his big gamble was to separate each day into two tickets. With more than 250,000 fans attending annually, the Finals thus brought in 15 per cent of the ATP’s revenues, which stood at US$144million in the last financial year.
The alternative venues are unlikely to match London’s bottom line on their own, but a state guarantee could make up the difference. Italian sources have reported that Turin’s mayor, Chiara Appendino, may be prepared to offer an annual guarantee of E15m over the five years of the new contract. Ironically, the Turin bid originally missed the deadline for applications, but after submitting a late entry, it is believed to have moved ahead of the three other new cities on the shortlist: Tokyo, Singapore and Manchester.
After a nine-month tender process, the Telegraph understands that ATP executives are likely to rule out another extension – which would be the fourth – to the O2’s hosting agreement. Turin is the favourite to win the new deal, which will last for five years, although Tokyo is also seen as a strong contender.
The loss would not have a direct financial impact on the British game, as all proceeds go directly to the ATP.
Novak Djokovic, who is now the head of the ATP player council, has been calling for a move since 2014. Djokovic’s restlessness was only held at bay by London’s profitability. The tournament was established in 2009 by Chris Kermode, the 54-year-old Briton who is now in his final year as ATP president, and his big gamble was to separate each day into two tickets. With more than 250,000 fans attending annually, the Finals thus brought in 15 per cent of the ATP’s revenues, which stood at US$144million in the last financial year.
The alternative venues are unlikely to match London’s bottom line on their own, but a state guarantee could make up the difference. Italian sources have reported that Turin’s mayor, Chiara Appendino, may be prepared to offer an annual guarantee of E15m over the five years of the new contract. Ironically, the Turin bid originally missed the deadline for applications, but after submitting a late entry, it is believed to have moved ahead of the three other new cities on the shortlist: Tokyo, Singapore and Manchester.
Meles
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Tennis is huge in Italy so this might cement the sport's comeback over the last ten years.
Deon Sanders
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ollinger
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bon appetito !!!!
TopspintheTerrible
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Noletheking
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They have crazy football fans yet berlin doesn't have a single good football city. Sometimes people just see big name and make opinion without checking the fact.
Badabing888
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The Times' article alluded to the fact that ATP anticipating Federer unlikely to play past 2020 and also Murray's injury woes may see him struggle to get back into the world's top 8. Both have been a huge driver of ticket sales in London. It also Doesn't help that Rafa also either misses the tournament or withdraws after one round robin match.
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DSH
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[QUOTE="TopspintheTerrible, post: 13279745, member: 762361"]Berlin would not be a good city for the Finals. Not a big sports city.
West Or South Germany would be better. And maybe Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]
What was special about Hannover in the 90s, when it was its headquarters for a few years?
Becker?
The German was protagonist only in the first edition in that city, 1996, in the remembered final match against Sampras, one of the best matches ever played in the history of the competition.
If Hannover could host for a few years, I'm sure Berlin is a much better city used to an event in this category, especially taking Zverev, although he does not achieve the success of his predecessor, will be a dominant figure of the men's circuit in the next decade, enough encouragement for Germany to again be a host of a Masters Cup or now called WTF.
West Or South Germany would be better. And maybe Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]
What was special about Hannover in the 90s, when it was its headquarters for a few years?
Becker?
The German was protagonist only in the first edition in that city, 1996, in the remembered final match against Sampras, one of the best matches ever played in the history of the competition.
If Hannover could host for a few years, I'm sure Berlin is a much better city used to an event in this category, especially taking Zverev, although he does not achieve the success of his predecessor, will be a dominant figure of the men's circuit in the next decade, enough encouragement for Germany to again be a host of a Masters Cup or now called WTF.
DSH
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TopspintheTerrible
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@DSH
I lived in Germany for 4 years and spent a fair amount of time in Berlin, so I think I’m fairly familiar with the city. And it’s not a good choice for 2 main reasons:
1. It’s not a wealthy city. Many people will not be able to afford the high ticket prices of the event. Unlike Turin, which I believe is one of the wealthiest cities in Italy.
2. Berlin is not a sports city. It’s a party city. The ticket sales would be atrocious in Berlin compared to London.
Hannover is completely different than Berlin. Germans often say “Berlin is not Germany.”
I lived in Germany for 4 years and spent a fair amount of time in Berlin, so I think I’m fairly familiar with the city. And it’s not a good choice for 2 main reasons:
1. It’s not a wealthy city. Many people will not be able to afford the high ticket prices of the event. Unlike Turin, which I believe is one of the wealthiest cities in Italy.
2. Berlin is not a sports city. It’s a party city. The ticket sales would be atrocious in Berlin compared to London.
Hannover is completely different than Berlin. Germans often say “Berlin is not Germany.”
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Well the ticket sales will be atrocious in Turin compared to London.
In fact they will atrocious in nearly every other city in the world.
Turin is a reasonably wealthy city but not in aggregate is it anyway near as wealthy as Berlin, due to the fact that Berlin has 4x plus the population.
But never mind, the good bergers of Turin have decided to the subsidise the event to the tune of €15m every year out of the public purse.
Great for Turin’s tennis fans, but a slap in the face to the rest of the townsfolk.
TopspintheTerrible
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Sure, but people in Berlin would riot and set fire to the first tennis store they walked by if they were propositioned to subsidize a tennis tournament. Having it in Turin will attract all the fans in Milan given the short commute. And Swiss/French fans can get there pretty easily as well. It’s not London, but not a bad choice either.
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Ann
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Probably but I'm just as horrible as you, I kept thinking the shroud of Turin and that made no sense. Finally broke down and googled.
Ann
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I like you.
