Discussion in 'Racquets' started by AREYOUOUTOFYOURVULCANMIND, Aug 19, 2012.
I see your point. The Graphene process and balance make it extremely difficult to gain a good feel with mods. It was obviously intended by Head to be a platform racquet, but the G Process and weird balance have made it almost unmodifiable. Same with the XT Speed Rev Pro.
If Head can still make the PC600 (*are they made in Austria?), I wonder why Wilson couldn't pull it off with the Pro Staff. Maybe my sticks are weird, but I can definitely tell the Chicago and St. Vincent ones apart from Taiwan or China models. The feel is just different. Not saying Taiwan and China models are bad frames, but the feel is completely different for me. I can't tell the Chicago or St. Vincent apart, though. To me, they feel the same.
I thought we are petitioning for a PC600 re-issue? Please stay on topic
If you guys don't like the idea, just leave the thread alone. No need to jump up and down bringing out market share piecharts and histograms.
You keep the REV PROs (I kept mine as well, only for the cosmetics), but we want the proper MID to stay in the production line. @HEAD Penn Official there you go...
And do a re-issue of the PT630/280! Surely if this thread can maintain enough interest it might catch the eye of someone who is important/capable enough to make it happen.
What would be the minimum amount to do a run?
It all depends on the margin and whether they could secure distribution. That second part is the hardest one for a rerun of 20 year old frames. Since they have almost zero appeal to the tennis playing masses, local shops would not likely be interested in having stock, and it would basically just be the equipment geeks like ourselves buying them online.
My guess is that they'd need to have a commitment to at least one or two hundred thousand units, from my knowledge of how retail distribution works. Let's say everyone who posted in this thread buys four - that's maybe 200-300 sold units, multiply by a factor of fifty let's say for people who would notice the release and stock up, that's only ten thousand. If HEAD makes twenty percent margin on whatever the wholesale price is, great, they just made MAYBE 200k. I don't know how big that company is, but that's very likely a drop in the bucket.
That being said, I'd put my money down right now to buy four new PT630s if they could release them again. It's one of those classic economic scenarios where the market is too small. However, a smaller company like Angell can be more flexible in meeting this demand and I think that's sort of their business model.
they'd need to market it to wannabes to sell enough of them ... somewhat like the RF97. only prob is that theyve already PJ'd all the PT630s that the pros are using, and they likely dont want to give up that option for the other product lines theyre selling.
other option is to just do a limited "classic" run.
Wilson is able to produce Pro Staff 6.0 85 and now the Pro Staff Classic 6.1 95 25th Anniversary. Volkl has the C10 Pro and V1 Classic that they keep updating the cosmetics every few years. HEAD could very easily do Prestige Classic and Pro Tour 630.
Yes, you're right. Of course they have the capability to do so - demonstrated by the fact that Head still makes the PT57A and other old pro stocks for their sponsored players.
I was introducing a bit of the economic argument to this discussion, because I think most of it so far has read like the following bad conspiracy theory: "Head wants to break the collective elbows of the tennis playing universe by releasing Graphene". Since that's not the case, I think it's a purely economic reason. They can make far more money with a new PJ every 2 years than releasing old classic frames for a few purists.
My principle is: nobody's forcing us to play HEAD. I don't like the current line of racquets, so I secured some Tfight 315ltds, and am very happy with how those play. The market will eventually decide what frames are successful.
yeah, wonder how big the PS85 reissue stockpile is that T-dub has sitting in their warehouse that won't move now.
They are moving. The BLX butt cap version sold out.
They can sit on them and let the sales tick over slowly if they want, not like they're suddenly going out of fashion is it.
I'm planning to get a few myself after christmas
Let's just write to the Head Customer Service to tell them what we want. Here is the US customer service email address:
Haha. I like your attitude kid. Keep it up
vsbabolat is right. Plus, it's all about ebbs and flows. Granted, the further we get away from the 85's heyday, the lower the appeal (especially for the younger generation that joined the game while Babolat was dominating).
Even still, every few months it seems that the 85 gets new life. It just keeps coming back. The die-hards influence the curious, and the curious become die-hards (or at least steady fans of the frame). If you want one, though, you better get in where you fit in. Back in 2003-2005 or so TW was still carrying the 6.0 85 at $120. A couple years after Petros retired everyone wanted one. Resell went through the roof, even for non-St. Vincent frames.
Long-story-short, there will always be a market for them. Just like there will always be a market for the Prestige mid. With Wilson moving away from the 90 headsize altogether, I think the 85 will only gather more fans since that will be the only midsize option.
I'm surprised that Head is bringing back the mid but I guess that there are still a decent number of older tennis players that still want them.
dont talk me into ordering a third one! i already successfully sent the other two back. but maybe if i got it strung with proper gut ....
I got one this Christmas. Black buttcap, not sure which that is. It has appealed to me for a while now and I've finally got one of my own. Whether I play well with it or not, it's still a cool, classic racquet to have in my bag. I'm sure the PC600 would be like that for some people too. Whether it's a tournament racquets a piece of nostalgia, or a classic experiment, there will definitely be people buying it. It's just a matter of how many and how fast I guess.
Move on guys... just stop buying Head.
There are many good brands out there
The Pro Staff with the black butt cap is the latest production
PC 600 just snap at the throat after a few hours
Expensive but fun
You need HEAD to sell you a new one. They are still making them just not selling them.
... that all come from the same sweatshops in china.
but their quality is better.
And they think in "classic" customers (pro staff classic reissue, muscle weave reissue, new prince classics..)
and isnt yonex made in japan?
volkl in austria?
Voelkl is made in China. Once they were made in Germany but that ended 23 years ago.
insisting with Head is a waste of time... i dont think it is a good idea to send them emails asking for something they wont do.
Prestige anniversay----> Innegra!! but with black paintjob.
"In celebration of the Prestige's 25th anniversary, Head has issued a limited edition black version of this legend. Same specs as the Youtek IG version in a limited edition black graphic"
wooowwww black graphic!!
Head is a joke in my opinion
yonex in japan, yes. Head was previously made in austria and VSbabs is dead on about those sticks being special. as far as the current made in china racquets go, no matter what the brand, i am dubious about QC. people complain about wilson QC, babs QC, head QC .... they all come from the same production lines in the same factories.
Agreed! The 25th anniversary Prestige was a total joke. That racquet was a year late (the original Prestige Pro came out in 1986), was the wrong head size ( that mould was first introduced in the original Radical Trisys 260 MP in 1993), and had no collector value. What should have been done was a release of the original Brown Prestige Pro that was numbered with 25th anniversary on it. Done something really special.
I bought the 25th prestige too and indeed.... I still play with my protours now
I think i wont buy any new head racquets unless they bring back the old pro tour or prestige classic.
Couldn't agree more! Prestige 25th Anniversary in MP = Total failure. The MP is NOT EVEN A PRESTIGE for god sake!
Look at Wilson's PS Classic 25th Anniversary... They hit the nail on the HEAD! Literally!
@HEAD Penn Official another thing for you to bring to your "sales meeting"
Maybe HEAD is waiting for the 30th anniversary to bring back the PC600 and the Pro Tour 630
No... wont happen i think.
Just buy some old stock. Thats the best option for now.
If Head actually made a retro limited edition model of the 600; and TW carried it; they probably make money on it because most people who would be interested would stock up on them so you talking from 1-10 racquet purchased over time of a year! One just to see how it hits and then follow up with 2-5 racquets and them there will be an announcement of it being discontinued and the rest will be purchase.
@TW Staff : as long as the composition (same type/grade of graphite andtwaron) and the layup are the exact same as what was being used in Austria in making the PT10 and the PT57 are used again, I suppose that country of origin would be of lesser importance. The question is whether to same raw materials and lay-up could be produced again? I would not hesitate to buy 4 Prestige Classics today if they were indeed made according to those specs.
The PS85s are made in China and those are selling well, correct? My Pro Stocks are made in China and Head has made most of them in China for several years. I do not know that I'd buy these as I'm really happy with the IG Prestige.
why don't we get the 630 instead, while we're talking about reissues that have been talked about for 3 1/2 yrs and never reissued
I might try a 630 but likely not a 600. I've been using the Prestige MP since around 2010 and don't really want to adjust back down to a mid.
^ IG Prestige Mid is quite nice and still can be found on the cheap, no crying to HEAD required.
Bump... Just got of the court from playing with a TXP I bought for $3.99 at Goodwill; I usually play a Volkl PB 10 mid. I'm seriously considering switching. If the 630/280 plays at all like the 600 count me in for a couple frames if you can bring them in a at price point similar to the PD 85. Would definitely snack up a couple 600s if you bring them in with the same Twaron Graphite whatever the magic sauce is layup. Any updates? It looks like its been a couple months...
Every time I see a bump in this thread my heart skips a beat
WOW! $4 for a TXP? Great stick
V-Verb.. Got it a couple of months ago and you guys helped me figure out what it actually was in the 30th anniversary thread... I had no idea it was really a prestige 600 even though I grew up playing the PS 85 and had hit with it before 25+ (gulp) years ago. I remember having hit with it and really liked it; I was just settled in to the PS 85 playing juniors... These things really seem to hold re-sale value, I'm sure TW could move enough product to make a little cash and take care of some customers.
hi LoneSharkie, glad you're liking it. It's apparently a Prestige Pro (ton's more $$ because of different cosmetics and name) which I think is heavier than the Prestige 600.
Like I've said before the Prestige and Wilson KPS88 are my fave playing sticks ever.
I believe the issue is the Head won't make these anymore. There was a Prestige Classic reissue that TW sold for a while.
We need @vsbabolat here as he is the definite resource on classic Head sticks.
I don't think HEAD will sell them.
Unfortunate. They are supreme sticks
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