Two Cans Of Balls

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Two reasons:
They don't want to spread disease by getting people to touch stuff.
They don't have enough staff to maintain the fountains.
Turned off our fountains in 1980. Folks gave their dogs a drink. We bought five gallon jugs and stopped a MickeyDs to fill with ice. Added concentrated orange drink mix to the jugs for anyone to drink on the weekends. Time passes sooooooooooooo slowly, eh
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
I played a guy in an outdoor league (non USTA) last year in June and he was very particular about only picking up your own balls. He then hit a ball over a couple of courts down and almost freaked out when someone else touched and returned them to our court. I had my 8 year old son with me and was he was initially a bit confused when I tried to explain to him why he couldn't go and retrieve my opponents balls for us.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
I played a guy in an outdoor league (non USTA) last year in June and he was very particular about only picking up your own balls. He then hit a ball over a couple of courts down and almost freaked out when someone else touched and returned them to our court. I had my 8 year old son with me and was he was initially a bit confused when I tried to explain to him why he couldn't go and retrieve my opponents balls for us.
Must be prepared to handle my opponents' balls with rubber gloves eh?
 

WildVolley

Legend
Used to see some players using separate balls, but very rarely see this anymore.
Has it now been established that this is not necessary?
What are your experiences?
I never saw anyone using separately marked balls (or at least I haven't been aware of it) over the last year, but I've been playing outdoors on public courts and league was shut down.

The necessity of not touching the balls was never established. Putting the best spin on the policy, it was based on an overabundance of caution. Since tennis hasn't been identified as a disease vector and all the evidence suggests it is a safe sport, I don't see anyone addressing the issue anymore. So best to just consider the whole thing moot at this point, unless league somewhere is still requiring it.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
The Covid craziness is almost more than I can take.

Once outdoor courts re-opened last summer in public parks, the county kept the restrooms locked. Now, these are closed restrooms with open areas at the top for ventilation (no heat or AC). So you would show up to play and there just were no restrooms. Not good.

Then someone realized that they needed to have restrooms in public parks on account of women, children, and men who would otherwise pee in the bushes (and did pee in the bushes). So did they just unlock the restrooms, which had plumbing, tissue, changing tables, and running water for handwashing? Nope. They carted in a single porta-potty. This soon became exactly what you would imagine: Filthy, full of flies, no TP, and no water for hand washing.

Why, though? Where is the evidence that someone who goes into an open air restroom to use it is going to give or catch Covid to infect someone? Can't you just put a sign on the door asking that just one person go in at a time and asking people to mask up?

Anyway . . . people around here ignored the league rule for doubles where all four players had to provide a can of balls and not touch each other's balls. 'Cause there never was any science to support the idea that the virus could be transmitted in that way, and it is a gigantic waste to quadruple the number of tennis balls needed for four people to play tennis for two hours.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
Freq contact surfaces increase the risk substantially. If one person has touched something there's a low risk. If 500 have touched it, that 1/10000 risk climbs to 500 to 1/200.

With tennis balls, usually not more than 4 people have touched them and they've been batted around enough to shake particles off.

And a water fountain is exposed much more to oral and nasal secretions.
Please explain the issue with water fountains.

Are you saying that the previous person drooled or snotted on the spout, so when I then drink, I am ingensting their drool or snot? If that is the case, why do we have water fountains at all? And wouldn't one second of letting the water come out and arc up take care of the problem? And wouldn't the water itself dilute the virus?

I just don't understand the basis for some of these rules. I guess I understand the confusion at the beginning, but if I see one more person wearing rubber gloves but then touching everything in sight I might lose it.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Stopped using public water fountains over 40 yrs ago after watching a guy give his dog a drink. Person drool? Dawgs of the World unite. And I brought/bring my own jug of water
 

Flootoo

Rookie
I remember the first time I saw someone opening the court fence gate with their racket. I though, boy, how silly you're going to feel in a month or two.
It has taken some time, though.
Not as silly as Herman Cain, who got teabagged by COVID, or tRump, who caught it after saying it was a hoax, or the dozens of men who made YT videos of themselves crying after they passed it on to their elderly relatives and they died.
 

Flootoo

Rookie
Safeway was wiping down the shopping cart handles for months but that has now apparently stopped. Just visited Safeway and did not see the "sanitized carts here" sign. Maybe this is a result of the recent CDC announcement that surface transmission is very low risk.
Good posts for a change.
You're absolutely right- at the beginning, nobody knew all the facts, and people were extra careful.
Scientists' concern was not all about my favorite sport, but mainly about how not to have people die. Remember the breakthrough when they figured out the benefits of leaving people face-down for a few weeks after intubation and inducing a coma?
 

anarosevoli

Rookie
I'm really horrified by the amount of people who believe in that bs. There is no way of infection via tennis ball, except (MAYBE!) if you lick on it directly after the other one coughed on it. You don't even need medical knowledge, you just need to think. If such few germs would be sufficient for an infection, one cough would infect a whole football arena. Within weeks almost the whole world population would have been infected if that myth was true. The myth is only being spread because it makes the virus appear even more dangerous and makes (low IQ) people be more careful in general, wich indeed can be helpful.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
I'm really horrified by the amount of people who believe in that bs. There is no way of infection via tennis ball, except (MAYBE!) if you lick on it directly after the other one coughed on it.
It makes bureaucrats like this feel important.
And yes she is completely serious. It is not a Saturday Night Live skit.

 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
I'm really horrified by the amount of people who believe in that bs. There is no way of infection via tennis ball, except (MAYBE!) if you lick on it directly after the other one coughed on it. You don't even need medical knowledge, you just need to think. If such few germs would be sufficient for an infection, one cough would infect a whole football arena. Within weeks almost the whole world population would have been infected if that myth was true. The myth is only being spread because it makes the virus appear even more dangerous and makes (low IQ) people be more careful in general, wich indeed can be helpful.
Yes some of the restrictions have to account for "freedom" loving dumb people who otherwise will flout every common-sense restriction. The other factor is that the USTA or other government/quasi-government body has to be extra cautious when all the information is not known. They have to issue some guidelines since people are clamoring to play, so they would rather err on the cautious side.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Not as silly as Herman Cain, who got teabagged by COVID, or tRump, who caught it after saying it was a hoax, or the dozens of men who made YT videos of themselves crying after they passed it on to their elderly relatives and they died.
But he cured himself by taking the same advice he had for others, didn't he? Oh no, that was for his dumb sheep, while he himself got state-of-the-art treatment at a Naval hospital.
 

Flootoo

Rookie
I'm really horrified by the amount of people who believe in that bs. There is no way of infection via tennis ball, except (MAYBE!) if you lick on it directly after the other one coughed on it. You don't even need medical knowledge, you just need to think. If such few germs would be sufficient for an infection, one cough would infect a whole football arena. Within weeks almost the whole world population would have been infected if that myth was true. The myth is only being spread because it makes the virus appear even more dangerous and makes (low IQ) people be more careful in general, wich indeed can be helpful.
One year ago you were huddled at home, wondering if you were going to catch COVID. No doctors knew how long the virus could survive on surfaces.
A few hundred years ago, diabetes was an automatic death sentence.

I'm really horrified that there are people simpleminded enough not to understand that what we now know, after countless hours and months of hard work and dedication by literally thousands of people, was at one point totally unknown.
 

Flootoo

Rookie
But he cured himself by taking the same advice he had for others, didn't he? Oh no, that was for his dumb sheep, while he himself got state-of-the-art treatment at a Naval hospital.
Even funnier than that, he actually carked it thanks to the rona.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
One year ago you were huddled at home, wondering if you were going to catch COVID. No doctors knew how long the virus could survive on surfaces.
A few hundred years ago, diabetes was an automatic death sentence.

I'm really horrified that there are people simpleminded enough not to understand that what we now know, after countless hours and months of hard work and dedication by literally thousands of people, was at one point totally unknown.
They are not simple-minded people. They are people who resent that others are smarter than them and actually contributing to society, and cover it up with some sort of noble excuse like freedom and hindsight opinions, or by grasping at every straw like some uncertainty in a scientific study. It is a combination of ignorance and arrogance, and a sinking feeling that the religious nonsense they were taught about being protected was just so-much brainwashing. Any rational scientific approach, which of course will never be 100% correct, is a threat to their identity shaped by this kind of brainwashing, as they realize that there is no divine intervention and Nature cares no more for humans than it does for viruses.
 

Flootoo

Rookie
They are not simple-minded people. They are people who resent that others are smarter than them and actually contributing to society, and cover it up with some sort of noble excuse like freedom and hindsight opinions.
Do you think so? They're just being obstinate? As in "oh people were so stupid in the 1800s, they wouldn't even be able to tell a samsung from an iPhone"?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Do you think so? They're just being obstinate? As in "oh people were so stupid in the 1800s, they wouldn't even be able to tell a samsung from an iPhone"?
No. Don't confuse this with the Earth is flat stuff. These people today are well aware of their ignorance, and proud of it, as long as they can lord it over others. They get a kick out of hurting others, and really don't care if they are themselves affected in that process. Their brains have been so fried that even the self-preservation instinct is gone and that is why they form a cult, clinging to an authoritative dictatorial figure whom they can worship, as long as he preaches hatred against people who they think should not have any rights.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
One year ago you were huddled at home, wondering if you were going to catch COVID. No doctors knew how long the virus could survive on surfaces.
A few hundred years ago, diabetes was an automatic death sentence.

I'm really horrified that there are people simpleminded enough not to understand that what we now know, after countless hours and months of hard work and dedication by literally thousands of people, was at one point totally unknown.
It wasn't totally unknown. This family of pathogens have been studied for decades.
 

happyandbob

Hall of Fame
It wasn't totally unknown. This family of pathogens have been studied for decades.
Right, but this family of pathogens has never been this contagious either, so it wasn't clear how long it was going to live on surfaces. It also wasn't clear what kind of viral load was required to actually infect someone so folks were being ultra cautious.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Right, but this family of pathogens has never been this contagious either, so it wasn't clear how long it was going to live on surfaces. It also wasn't clear what kind of viral load was required to actually infect someone so folks were being ultra cautious.
I believe they actually knew this very early on, like a year ago. Have no issues with being cautious, but once known, adjustments should have been made. We still have folk disinfecting surfaces between every customer in stores....
 

WildVolley

Legend
Right, but this family of pathogens has never been this contagious either, so it wasn't clear how long it was going to live on surfaces. It also wasn't clear what kind of viral load was required to actually infect someone so folks were being ultra cautious.
But there's been almost no learning among many. Just a few months ago, we had people here panicking about ball-fuzz transmission again. I'm not making that up.

A lot of the early advice was actually unscientific, based on what was already known about respiratory illnesses. For example, California declared war on surfers, the beach, parks, and outdoor tennis courts. We now know (again), that being outdoors in the sunshine is perhaps the safest location during a respiratory illness, which might explain the decrease in Cyrus in areas that are opening up and dumping the mask mandates.
 

happyandbob

Hall of Fame
I believe they actually knew this very early on, like a year ago. Have no issues with being cautious, but once known, adjustments should have been made. We still have folk disinfecting surfaces between every customer in stores....
That's true, but there is also the fact that the level of certainty to reach mass public announcements is considerably higher than what is known at any given point. You better be darn well sure of something before you stamp it for public policy. I'm on my local school board and we've been getting routine updates from our metro children's hospital. They are working closely with the CDC and the things they've been telling us they were pretty sure of was months ahead of what was released to the public because there wasn't enough data yet to provide certainty.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
Nope, not buying it. No one has shown that viral load from someone using the toilet could infect someone.

Until that is proven, you don’t take away something that people have to have, like restrooms.

Those arrows on the floor of the supermarket that tried to make one way traffic were also a joke. When I shopped for food, I got in and out as quickly as possible. That, plus wearing a mask, seemed sufficient protection. Routing people through the whole store to get a few things was nuts. My grocery store finally removed the arrows.

Geez, it got insane around here. My adult son who lives with me accompanied me to Costco. We got in line, six feet behind the person in front of us. An employee scurried over and demanded that my son and I stand six feet apart. I explained that we were together, and the employee became agitated. So my son moved into the next line over and stood six feet behind that person, carrying no items, because, why?
 

happyandbob

Hall of Fame
Geez, it got insane around here. My adult son who lives with me accompanied me to Costco. We got in line, six feet behind the person in front of us. An employee scurried over and demanded that my son and I stand six feet apart. I explained that we were together, and the employee became agitated. So my son moved into the next line over and stood six feet behind that person, carrying no items, because, why?
I'm sorry that Costco subjected you and your son to this horrible hardship of having to stand six feet apart in their overexuberant and misguided effort to attempt to keep people safe in a way they thought was best. It must have been just awful for you.
 

silentkman

Semi-Pro
Nope, not buying it. No one has shown that viral load from someone using the toilet could infect someone.

Until that is proven, you don’t take away something that people have to have, like restrooms.

Those arrows on the floor of the supermarket that tried to make one way traffic were also a joke. When I shopped for food, I got in and out as quickly as possible. That, plus wearing a mask, seemed sufficient protection. Routing people through the whole store to get a few things was nuts. My grocery store finally removed the arrows.

Geez, it got insane around here. My adult son who lives with me accompanied me to Costco. We got in line, six feet behind the person in front of us. An employee scurried over and demanded that my son and I stand six feet apart. I explained that we were together, and the employee became agitated. So my son moved into the next line over and stood six feet behind that person, carrying no items, because, why?
that has never happened to me and my family at a Costco and i live in the exurbs of NOVA. The arrows on the floor didn't go over well. I've come to the conclusion that people will complain no matter what is done for safety. Some people just don't care.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
The director of the tennis club I play at informed me that in the 9 months since she’s been open during the pandemic, they’ve never had a single one of their members test positive.

This is in a country where an estimated 20% of the population have contracted covid. So she has a pet theory that playing tennis confers a protective benefit.
 

SeeItHitIt

Professional
Used to see some players using separate balls, but very rarely see this anymore.
Has it now been established that this is not necessary?
What are your experiences?
necessary - for what? The CDC just changed their so called guidance on contracting Covid (last week) from a surface to 1:10,000 (of an infected surface). Given the early surface scare (people washing grocerie, etc.), I’d say the CDC’s new guidance might as well be 1:1,000,000. In other words, go stand outside during a thunderstorm with a steel pole if you want to get struck by something.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Nope, not buying it. No one has shown that viral load from someone using the toilet could infect someone.

Until that is proven, you don’t take away something that people have to have, like restrooms.

Those arrows on the floor of the supermarket that tried to make one way traffic were also a joke. When I shopped for food, I got in and out as quickly as possible. That, plus wearing a mask, seemed sufficient protection. Routing people through the whole store to get a few things was nuts. My grocery store finally removed the arrows.

Geez, it got insane around here. My adult son who lives with me accompanied me to Costco. We got in line, six feet behind the person in front of us. An employee scurried over and demanded that my son and I stand six feet apart. I explained that we were together, and the employee became agitated. So my son moved into the next line over and stood six feet behind that person, carrying no items, because, why?
Your son shoulda carried a case.................................20 pk of Penns
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
It wasn't totally unknown. This family of pathogens have been studied for decades.
But this particular virus from that family was totally unknown as was the disease that it caused.

And the big problem is that too many ignorant people who haven't had to think about science since grade school suddenly think they actually can grasp the nuances of science seemingly overnight. They know nothing of the scientific method, of scientific uncertainty, of p values, of bias. But they are all running around on social media as "experts" who did their "research". Apparently reading reports off Fox News and CNN counts as "research" these days.
 

WildVolley

Legend
But this particular virus from that family was totally unknown as was the disease that it caused.

And the big problem is that too many ignorant people who haven't had to think about science since grade school suddenly think they actually can grasp the nuances of science seemingly overnight. They know nothing of the scientific method, of scientific uncertainty, of p values, of bias. But they are all running around on social media as "experts" who did their "research". Apparently reading reports off Fox News and CNN counts as "research" these days.
Studies show that the public massively overestimates the risks from Cyrus.

Very early on we knew that this wasn't a repeat of the Spanish flu. Early on we knew that the elderly were primarily at risk. Very early tracking studies (China) showed that outdoor spread was not a major disease vector. Early studies showed that children were not at risk. But people who pointed these things out were quickly banned from social media or silenced.

I still see people outdoors by themselves in a high UV and high humidity beach climate wearing masks. And this sort of nonsense has been promoted by public officials who forward themselves as "experts" and "scientists."
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Dunno about that outdoor safety. Talking to a player outside on a court when I got a whiff of hot breath, oh dear. My six foot pole was no match for the airborne attack
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
But this particular virus from that family was totally unknown as was the disease that it caused.

And the big problem is that too many ignorant people who haven't had to think about science since grade school suddenly think they actually can grasp the nuances of science seemingly overnight. They know nothing of the scientific method, of scientific uncertainty, of p values, of bias. But they are all running around on social media as "experts" who did their "research". Apparently reading reports off Fox News and CNN counts as "research" these days.
I work for a company that has studied this since the beginning. It was known very early on what this was AND what it wasn't. A person doesn't have to believe a fact in order for the fact to be correct. Believe what you would like.
 

Flootoo

Rookie
Nope, not buying it. No one has shown that viral load from someone using the toilet could infect someone.

Until that is proven, you don’t take away something that people have to have, like restrooms.

Those arrows on the floor of the supermarket that tried to make one way traffic were also a joke. When I shopped for food, I got in and out as quickly as possible. That, plus wearing a mask, seemed sufficient protection. Routing people through the whole store to get a few things was nuts. My grocery store finally removed the arrows.

Geez, it got insane around here. My adult son who lives with me accompanied me to Costco. We got in line, six feet behind the person in front of us. An employee scurried over and demanded that my son and I stand six feet apart. I explained that we were together, and the employee became agitated. So my son moved into the next line over and stood six feet behind that person, carrying no items, because, why?
Internet Prize for Ignorance Nominee: Cindysphinx

You probably don't know enough to put the toilet lid down before flushing, and you're "not buying" that germs even exist just because "it got insane".
Nobody mentioned taking away restrooms, yet you're getting all Karen about an imaginary problem.

You ended up at Costco (why am I not surprised?) where you pathetically failed to communicate a basic fact to another adult.
An employee didn't realize you were together for whatever reason. Your son acted quickly and defused the situation: problem solved, yet here you are days later still crying over this absolute nothingburger.

This is weeks after we all know that this virus has mutated, and could still be producing more variants which differ in terms of resistance to the vaccine, incubation period, and R Number. All because you insist on relying on the outdated information you have, which was comically low-quality in the first place.

It's simple: nobody knew what we were facing at the start, and as info came in, the CDC and healthcare authorities started adjusting their guidelines. The reaction isn't immediate, and will always err on the side of caution, because they're responsible. It isn't a game.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Those arrows on the floor of the supermarket that tried to make one way traffic were also a joke. When I shopped for food, I got in and out as quickly as possible. That, plus wearing a mask, seemed sufficient protection. Routing people through the whole store to get a few things was nuts. My grocery store finally removed the arrows.
It was like that before, and now it has been removed. That is as expected. You might get in and out quickly but not everyone. They stand for a long time in front of shelves and 2-way traffic means lots of people in close proximity. You contradict yourself when you said last year about your friend who "fondles" melons at the supermarket and puts them back and how you would stay away from such places. Having a forced streamlined flow of traffic results in less people trying to lovingly fondle melons and linger for a while.

Public restrooms should be open I agree, but shortage of cleaning staff and less number of visitors resulting in some of them being closed. Actually I had commented here before how stores closed their restrooms and why it is dangerous to rely on private companies allowing use of their restrooms instead of having a minimal required number of public restrooms.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I work for a company that has studied this since the beginning. It was known very early on what this was AND what it wasn't. A person doesn't have to believe a fact in order for the fact to be correct. Believe what you would like.
Really? Then tell me what this was and what this wasn't?
 
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