Two Cans Of Balls

Flootoo

Rookie
A respiratory tract virus, similar to others in the same family. It wasn't anything else.
Viral respiratory infections, including rhinovirus, coronavirus, adenovirus, respiratory syncytial virus, human metapneumovirus, parainfluenza viruses, and influenza viruses, are a substantial cause of morbidity worldwide. Transmission occurs through direct contact, contaminated fomites, and large airborne droplets, with long-range transmission by small particle aerosols reported in at least some instances of influenza and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)....
Oxford University Press
 

Flootoo

Rookie
Studies show that the public massively overestimates the risks...
Wow. What a terrible outcome... people are being too careful.

Very early on we knew that this wasn't a repeat of the Spanish flu. Early on we knew that the elderly were primarily at risk. Very early tracking studies (China) showed that outdoor spread was not a major disease vector.
Well, I guess we're lucky viruses don't mutate, and even when they do, they remain at the exact same threat level and retain the same characteristics. Right?

Early studies showed that children were not at risk. But people who pointed these things out were quickly banned from social media or silenced.
Silenced? SILENCED? You mean like how "California declared war on surfers"?

I still see people outdoors by themselves in a high UV and high humidity beach climate wearing masks.
And it bothers you a lot, obviously. Instead of talking to them, you choose to whinge about it here.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Viral respiratory infections, including rhinovirus, coronavirus, adenovirus, respiratory syncytial virus, human metapneumovirus, parainfluenza viruses, and influenza viruses, are a substantial cause of morbidity worldwide. Transmission occurs through direct contact, contaminated fomites, and large airborne droplets, with long-range transmission by small particle aerosols reported in at least some instances of influenza and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)....
Oxford University Press
You are correct. At risk populations will always be at risk from respiratory pathogens. While there are some differences, particularly in the instance of this pathogen, it is similar to others in the same family, which have been studied for decades. As far as I can tell, no one has come up with a way to avoid death. It seems unavoidable. Play tennis while you can.
 

kingcheetah

Hall of Fame
I think that some people tried doing it at the very start of the Pandemic, when outdoor facilities opened up. Most, myself included, found that the balls would get mixed up anyway.

At first, my club just had every other court open. They've gradually reduced restrictions, and now all courts are open. For a period in the winter, when cases were spiking, masks were required for indoor doubles, which led to many people raging. They had no valid reason, they do not move much when playing. People are still doofuses and sit 2 feet apart on changeovers, talking in each others faces.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I think many of you guys don't understand how governments work (which BTW we can criticize but we are the first ones to sue if it doesn't do what we want while everyone else's lawsuit is frivolous). When an organization like the USTA puts out guidelines to clubs, Universities, high schools and Parks and Rec, it is an immense responsibility, legally and morally. Therefore, over-cautiousness has to be incorporated. Secondly, any list of suggestions has to be somewhat long in order to be credible. That is just how these things work. No one wants an "expert" to give a one-line suggestion. When you put these factors together, you end up with a long list with some items erring on the conservative side, with a wink-wink that many of them will not be followed. This is how it works and this is how you want it to work when it is of importance to you, never mind that otherwise it is always "bureaucratic" when it is about someone else. Don't believe all the facade - old farts at the club who are always complaining about "government interference" were the most particular about masking and SD, and the first to line up for the vaccine. One of the "freedom" guys actually told me not to sit on the bench next to his water bottle since I had not been fully vaccinated yet.
 

Joe Garfield

Semi-Pro
If the separate balls rule were in place, what happens if you serve a couple aces (or double fault)? You have to walk around and pick up your balls?
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
I'm sorry that Costco subjected you and your son to this horrible hardship of having to stand six feet apart in their overexuberant and misguided effort to attempt to keep people safe in a way they thought was best. It must have been just awful for you.
I’m sorry that you (and apparently uninformed bureaucrats like you) can’t understand that imposing nonsensical restrictions on people undermines the credibility of the ones that do make sense.

Sadly, it seems that you also missed the point that this event illustrates that a lot of people like that Costco employee didnt have a clue, perhaps because they get their information from Facebook.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
that has never happened to me and my family at a Costco and i live in the exurbs of NOVA. The arrows on the floor didn't go over well. I've come to the conclusion that people will complain no matter what is done for safety. Some people just don't care.
Hey, Costco in particular were making it up as they went along. At mine, they positioned guards at the ends of some, but not all, aisles to make you go the way of the arrows. So I would be three feet from the cheese I wanted, but an employee would shout at me to go up the parallel aisle, then go down the cheese aisle, even if there was no one else in the aisle.

I was also once scolded for peering into the tip of a fresh corn cob at Giant, which was deemed a violation of the new “no shucking” rule.

I feel like I have been sharing the planet with a whole bunch of freelance epidemiologists who never got the hang of “keep your distance, and wear a mask indoors and when you can’t keep your distance” and kept adding their own nutty rules. If you want people to socially distance at your store, then just have an occupancy limit, which stores finally started doing.
 

Flootoo

Rookie
So I would be three feet from the cheese I wanted, but an employee would shout at me to go up the parallel aisle, then go down the cheese aisle, even if there was no one else in the aisle.
In other words, they should just let you do what you want.
 

silentkman

Semi-Pro
Hey, Costco in particular were making it up as they went along. At mine, they positioned guards at the ends of some, but not all, aisles to make you go the way of the arrows. So I would be three feet from the cheese I wanted, but an employee would shout at me to go up the parallel aisle, then go down the cheese aisle, even if there was no one else in the aisle.

I was also once scolded for peering into the tip of a fresh corn cob at Giant, which was deemed a violation of the new “no shucking” rule.

I feel like I have been sharing the planet with a whole bunch of freelance epidemiologists who never got the hang of “keep your distance, and wear a mask indoors and when you can’t keep your distance” and kept adding their own nutty rules. If you want people to socially distance at your store, then just have an occupancy limit, which stores finally started doing.
Obviously this is all new since the last pandemic was in 1918. As i indicated, no problems at my Costco. You can't make everyone happy, you have to make the best decisions you can at the moment based upon the best available data. we can't even get people to wear the mask over their nose. I've decided to go shopping during the off hours.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Hey, Costco in particular were making it up as they went along. At mine, they positioned guards at the ends of some, but not all, aisles to make you go the way of the arrows. So I would be three feet from the cheese I wanted, but an employee would shout at me to go up the parallel aisle, then go down the cheese aisle, even if there was no one else in the aisle.

I was also once scolded for peering into the tip of a fresh corn cob at Giant, which was deemed a violation of the new “no shucking” rule.

I feel like I have been sharing the planet with a whole bunch of freelance epidemiologists who never got the hang of “keep your distance, and wear a mask indoors and when you can’t keep your distance” and kept adding their own nutty rules. If you want people to socially distance at your store, then just have an occupancy limit, which stores finally started doing.
The hard work of these employees kept you fed and cleaned during the pandemic. Show some gratitude, Karen.
 

WildVolley

Legend
Why are we still talking about handling tennis balls? Why are people still worried about tennis transmission?

Reading this thread has convinced me that some people love this panic and don't want to ever give it up. This is why they're impervious to both the evidence and the vaccine, even after they've received it. (Notice that the lead US official on this talks as if he's an anti-vaxxer. He continually argues that even inoculated people shouldn't change their behavior.) It is why they celebrate the restrictions, especially the restrictions that make no logical sense and aren't based on evidence. The panic gives their lives meaning.

It is time for the rest of us to ignore them, take off the masks, and behave like normal people.
 

Flootoo

Rookie
Why are we still talking about handling tennis balls? Why are people still worried about tennis transmission?

Reading this thread has convinced me that some people love this panic and don't want to ever give it up. This is why they're impervious to both the evidence and the vaccine, even after they've received it. (Notice that the lead US official on this talks as if he's an anti-vaxxer. He continually argues that even inoculated people shouldn't change their behavior.) It is why they celebrate the restrictions, especially the restrictions that make no logical sense and aren't based on evidence. The panic gives their lives meaning.

It is time for the rest of us to ignore them, take off the masks, and behave like normal people.
Hardly anyone is worried about tennis transmission. However, it costs absolutely nothing to be careful, and we are confident enough in our own selves not to engage in demonstrative "freedumb" posturing.
Inoculation doesn't make you bulletproof, it only drastically reduces your chances of getting infected. You don't have to take off the mask to tell us that you don't care about anyone else- your MAGA hat already does that.
You think doctors and government officials only have meaning in their lives because of this "panic" that you've imagined? You're projecting here. The vast majority of people already have meaning, and don't need to get hysterical about a moral panic to achieve it.

Ignore us, and keep on living in your flyover state, with your like-minded cultists. But you'll come crying to us in the ER the minute you get sick.
 

happyandbob

Hall of Fame
Why are we still talking about handling tennis balls? Why are people still worried about tennis transmission?
It came up because the CDC recently announced that surface transmissions are extremely unlikely. There is a lot of complaining about the wasted time and energy that was previously spent on using two cans and all the "unneccessary" social distancing.

Seems silly to me. Yes some of it turned out to be unnecessary, but none of it presented any hardship to anybody. Slightly annoying it may have been, but it was a price I was willing to pay given the uncertainty at the time -- to do what I could to help keep everyone safe.

One problem America is having is there is great confusion here among large tracts of the population about what FREEDOM actually means. It doesn't mean you are entitled to live a life free from annoyance or that you are free to ignore rules that you don't like or you are free from experiencing the consequences of bad decision making.

Right now, Americans as a whole are severely lacking in personal accountability and the social contract we all shared with each other. It's a darn shame.
 

happyandbob

Hall of Fame
Inoculation doesn't make you bulletproof, it only drastically reduces your chances of getting infected.
Unfortunately and sadly, this is all too true. Just this week, I had several guys on my team (all in their 20s and phase 1B) get lax with their mask wearing because they were all 1 month past Pfizer #2. Two are now infected, one in the hospital.
 

silentkman

Semi-Pro
Why are we still talking about handling tennis balls? Why are people still worried about tennis transmission?

Reading this thread has convinced me that some people love this panic and don't want to ever give it up. This is why they're impervious to both the evidence and the vaccine, even after they've received it. (Notice that the lead US official on this talks as if he's an anti-vaxxer. He continually argues that even inoculated people shouldn't change their behavior.) It is why they celebrate the restrictions, especially the restrictions that make no logical sense and aren't based on evidence. The panic gives their lives meaning.

It is time for the rest of us to ignore them, take off the masks, and behave like normal people.
like i said, some people don't care. trust me, I know who the abnormal ones are. I've always known, they identified themselves before the pandemic.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I've decided to go shopping during the off hours.
This is the answer. If more people did this then it would definitely reduce congestion and risk.

Unfortunately and sadly, this is all too true. Just this week, I had several guys on my team (all in their 20s and phase 1B) get lax with their mask wearing because they were all 1 month past Pfizer #2. Two are now infected, one in the hospital.
Yeah our tennis club is seeing more cases show up and I suspect that people are getting lax with the recommendations because the think we've vaccinated enough. we aren't close to herd immunity anywhere in North America. But in 3 months we will be. The end is in sight if we can just hold on.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Hardly anyone is worried about tennis transmission.
Yes that was only enforced for a week after the reopening. No one still believes in it. It inconvenienced me a maximum of 2 times when I played using separate balls. It was an extreme precaution taken to test the waters for a week and something like that had to be done to convince the city when ICU capacity was approaching 99% at times.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
This is the answer. If more people did this then it would definitely reduce congestion and risk.



Yeah our tennis club is seeing more cases show up and I suspect that people are getting lax with the recommendations because the think we've vaccinated enough. we aren't close to herd immunity anywhere in North America. But in 3 months we will be. The end is in sight if we can just hold on.
The big issue is people are assuming that if they are fully vaccinated, they don't need to wear masks, for themselves or others. I am already seeing this in the parks. I will be done with my second dose on May 4. Doc, what is the deal on this? How long do we have to wear masks after getting vaccinated?
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
The big issue is people are assuming that if they are fully vaccinated, they don't need to wear masks, for themselves or others. I am already seeing this in the parks. I will be done with my second dose on May 4. Doc, what is the deal on this? How long do we have to wear masks after getting vaccinated?
Problem is that everyone views vaccines as a personal tool against the virus rather than what it is designed to be, a population tool against the virus. The purpose is to have enough immunity in the community to drop the R0 below 1 so viral transmission peters out and goes away.

The number of necessary vaccinations will vary based on degree of natural immunity in the community and the rate of community transmission. But likely somewhere between 60 and 80% fully vaccinated would get to that point. Until then, the community is still at risk and caution remains necessary, especially indoors.

You have to realize that the figures of 80-90% protection were from clinical trials where the population was still practicing restrictions. Likely the degree of personal vaccine protection would drop precipitously if people were to abandon all hygiene and hang out in crowds indoors sans mask.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
The big issue is people are assuming that if they are fully vaccinated, they don't need to wear masks, for themselves or others. I am already seeing this in the parks
At the park, you are likely safer standing next to an unmasked fully vaccinated person than standing next to a masked unvaccinated person. The fully vaccinated have 95% protection. They are also very unlikely to pass it on to others as their own ramped up immune systems will quickly prevent it from replicating inside themselves and then transmitting to others.

Studies are currently underway to confirm this.
Virus transmission by vaccinated people hopefully won’t be the case.​
“The goal of the vaccine is to create immunological memory in the body so that when you encounter the virus in the future, your immune system rapidly ramps up and attacks the virus very quickly before you get sick. Therefore, as long as the vaccine boasts a strong immunological response, it is likely that the virus will be stopped from replicating in your system pretty quickly,” Dr. Hokeness says. That would limit your ability to spread it to others.
“It can happen, but the risks would be far less than if you were not vaccinated,” --​
Kirsten Hokeness, Ph.D., director of Bryant University’s new Center for Health and Behavioral Sciences.​
And in March 2021, scientists began research that will help answer the question of whether this is an actual risk or not.​
Called the PreventCovidU study, it's recruiting 12,000 college students to get the Moderna Covid vaccine, take daily nose swabs for about four months, and also get regular Covid tests. This will help determine whether vaccinated people can pass along the virus to others, including whether people who've been vaccinated, have Covid, but are asymptomatic, can pass the virus along to others.​
Researchers say results should be in in time for the fall return to school.​
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
At the park, you are likely safer standing next to an unmasked fully vaccinated person than standing next to a masked unvaccinated person. The fully vaccinated have 95% protection. They are also very unlikely to pass it on to others as their own ramped up immune systems will quickly prevent it from replicating inside themselves and then transmitting to others.
The people I was talking about looked younger than the eligibility age for vaccination here (this was 2 weeks ago). From today, anyone over 15 can get vaccinated.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
The people I was talking about looked younger than the eligibility age for vaccination here (this was 2 weeks ago).
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Thought your post was talking about elderly vaccinated people not wearing masks..

You are saying that you noticed young unvaccinated people not masking because the older people are fully vaccinated?
:unsure:

The big issue is people are assuming that if they are fully vaccinated, they don't need to wear masks, for themselves or others. I am already seeing this in the parks
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
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Thought your post was talking about elderly vaccinated people not wearing masks..

You are saying that you noticed young unvaccinated people not masking because the older people are fully vaccinated?
:unsure:
I don't know, but things appear more relaxed.
 
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