Saul Goode
Semi-Pro
You can kick like a donkey with a one handed fh. You can also hit the ball harder and with more spin. It seems to me that the two handed fh is the future of YOUR tennis, where opponents get progressively older and weaker. Bravo.
Two Handed Forehand-the Future of Tennis !!!
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Gregory Diamond
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In one handed forehand there is too much looseness in the joints so force from the legs and from the turn of the body is mostly wasted. It is only used before to accelerate the racket but when the ball touches the strings the ball "feels" only the racket. To achieve the same speed and rotation using one handed forehand you have to accelerate the racket to much greater speed than using two handed forehand. The greater speed of the racket the less control. Now you know why two handed forehand is the future of tennis.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Saul Goode
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You are just misguided. While I give you credit for actually playing tennis at a passable level, it must be noted that your consistency comes at the expense of any sort of power. The shots you hit are mostly slow and attackable, and any player who knows the game will exploit that. Your serve is candy to a returner, and while you are mobile, you aren’t an outlier in the court coverage department. I’ve said it before: your conclusion is faulty, because you base it on selective data.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
You can see in your video that from the moment when the strings are near the ball only right hand do all the work. In two handed forehand turn of the body generates most of the speed of the ball. That is why you see my back leg exploding forward. You cant see it looking at Federer. Federer uses primitive forehand he was taught over 25 years ago. His forehand should be now in the museum not in real professional tennis. I see a lot of players trying to copy this very old technique. It is just stupid.
Gregory Diamond
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My game is not based on winners. I try to force my opponent to run a lot. I choose the speed so that he was not in a stable position. The better the opponent the faster my balls. This tactics works extremely well on clay.
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3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Feds forehand is undeniably one of the GOAT strokes in this sport we all play.
I repeat - lock this thread and throw away the key. It is just stupid.
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Gregory Diamond
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Federer uses grip used 50 years ago. There is nothing modern in his forehand.
There is nothing old-school about his forehand except his grip, which plenty of modern players still use anyway.
Saul Goode
Semi-Pro
Your game is based on playing inferior opponents. Got it.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
If since the beginning of May I have won 40 matches in tournaments on national level and lost only 3 it means that I played almost only against worse players. It is one thing I could agree with you.
Saul Goode
Semi-Pro
So you admit that you aren’t playing in a competitive field? Sounds rather boring.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
No. I said that mostly I beat worse players. I just play so well that it is difficult to find better players in my category. If I can beat #50 in the world it means that on average there is only 1 better player in 4 countries. I would have to travel a lot to find them.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
You use result based hypotheses to back up your arguments, I won 40 matches, 8 tournaments etc...
Apply the same logic to Rogers technique. Just so he feels it’s a fair comparison.
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Gregory Diamond
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It is not the same forehand though it looks similar. In his forehand the little finger of left hand is over forefinger of right hand. Only 3 fingers of left hand and a thumb hold the racket. It has pros and cons. Left hand is not tight so just after the stroke it can be released. You can see that in many strokes(particularly when the ball is high) his left hand almost doesnt do anything. It allows to use inertia of the racket but it restricts the speed of the ball because left hand is not active. In my forehand all fingers of left hand are on the handle and left hand does important work during the stroke. I can use my body to accelerate the ball. Andre Dome uses the speed of the racket so his forehand is similar to so called modern forehand but is played using two hands. He can hit the balls earlier than one handed players but it is the only advantage of his technique.
Watch from 1:00 to 1:15. You can see all what I said.
Doubles
Legend
You're right, it's not the same forehand, because his actually produces spin, pace, and depth at a level you or I could never dream of.
You're right, the idea that professional tennis players and coaches are using an inferior stroke is nuts. The simple truth is the vast majority of players use a single handed shot because it is superior.
This Greg fellow might be able to catch out some low level amateur players with his odd style but if played anyone decent they would destroy him.
Gregory Diamond
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Roger Federer is the most effective player in the history of tennis though there is nothing great in his technique. His backhand is technically bad and works well only on fast surfaces(that is why he is an average player on clay courts) and his forehand is old fashioned. His grip was used 50 years ago. Whoever tries to copy his forehand cant be successful in tennis. You can ask why he has won so many tournaments if there is nothing special in his technique. The answer is PHYSICAL FITNESS. It is most important in tennis. My two handed forehand wouldnt help me if I was not extremely physically fit. I was a great player in football when I was young .Almost like Messi
.Gregory Diamond
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Difference is caused not by technique but because he is young and much stronger. He would be much better player if he used my technique. I wouldnt be surprised if you asked if I could beat Nadal or Federer if my technique is superior. It would be a stupid question.
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Legend
I wouldn't ask that question because even if you were 30 years younger, your technique wouldn't do you any favors. Beating 50 year olds in Poland doesn't mean anything; hell, ITF senior rankings hardly mean anything unless an individual is playing tournaments every week. The highest ranked player from Poland in the ITF 50 and over category (as of me looking it up now) is a UTR 10. That's decent, sure, but nothing exceptional.
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Gregory Diamond
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Two handed forehand has not been tested in mens tennis. It would be tested if a large group of strong young players were taught two handed forehand for 20 years. That has never happened so far. It was tested in womens tennis and the result is fantastic. Almost all women who used two handed forehand won grand slams in singles or doubles. What is even more important only weak children were allowed to use two handed forehand in tennis clubs because nobody expected them to achieve any success and these weak children(Seles, Bartoli, Peng, Hsieh) won grand slams.
It was tested in seniors tennis. My results are better than fantastic.
The difference between us is that my knowlege about two handed forehand is one of the best in the world but you all dont understand even one handed forehand on professional level. You can only repeat what you can find on youtube.
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Legend
Your results prove nothing if you cannot provide evidence of them, where is the actual proof of you winning this much?
That's just simply not true. Some of us are coaches who have studied the forehand for years.
Besides, you say the two handed forehand has not been tested on the men's side, but there are players like the one in the TW video above that use two hands. Why haven't they reached the top of the game if it is so much better? If it can make even weak women (which you claim) win majors, why can't it make a man who doesn't appear to be weak win?
Gregory Diamond
Professional
I am not anonymous here. Everybody may see me in videos. Also people from Poland. Reading my comments if anybody wanted could check everything and there were people who did it. I am not here a problem. I am going to win even more matches because my forehand is better and better. I record my games because I still change some technical details. Even today ,watching my last video, I noticed that my best forehands were hit when I made a long step forward before the stroke. I`ll try to test it tomorrow.
Most of you are aggressive in this discussion. I dont understand you. If I played one handed forehand and would read my comments here I would be curious if this technique could work for me. Particularly because we talk about a person who has an injured right wrist. This person shouldnt play tennis on even the lowest level. But because of two handed forehand this man is a winning machine. He wins almost all tournaments he takes part in.
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Legend
You have still not provided actual evidence of you winning a single match.
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Agreed - it’s a shame that GD is so dismissive to all techniques apart from his own or this might have been an interesting discussion.
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rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
This thread sucks now.
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
Why? Do we all no longer agree?
Gregory Diamond
Professional
Do you expect me to say anything positive about over 25 years old forehands of Nadal, Djokovic or Federer ?
Does it mean that there was no progress in tennis for 25 years ?
3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Yes Greg I do. It’s a quality that’s called respect that you sadly lack.
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Saul Goode
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There is nothing revolutionary about your ideas. Pancho Segura was hitting with 2 hands before you were born, and even with his success, it didn’t catch on. Want to know why? Because its efficacy is questionable. Maybe it works for you—you are making the assumption that everyone is weak and incapable of successfully executing a one handed forehand. I will make a bold assertion: I know at least 15 players on or around your age who would make you rethink your self-proclaimed legend status.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
Forehands of Nadal and Federer played with straight hand have nothing in common with modern technique.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
Pancho Segura didnt play two handed forehand. He used 2 two handed backhands. He switched hands. Two handed forehand is much better than two handed backhand.
Then why not use two forehands instead of a forehand and backhand?
Saul Goode
Semi-Pro
Two handed forehands are silly.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
You would have to switch hands.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
Ask my opponents in tournaments if they agree with you.
Saul Goode
Semi-Pro
So the opinion of others is your basis? I don’t know how to tell you this, but...
So? How long does it take to switch hands? We've seen pro players do it before.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
I dont understand why you dont like two handed forehand. All players have different technique. We cant find two players who play in the same way. We all understand that two handed forehand with crossed hands is much better than one handed in many situations on the court. It is obvious that all players should use one handed forehand when the ball is far from the body and two handed when the ball is within its reach. Players who can play two handed forehand always choose it when the ball is near body. They could do it using one handed but they choose better technique.
Saul Goode
Semi-Pro
You’re just wrong.
We understand and respect it when it is needed, but we don't like it for most people because it is not as effective as a one handed forehand for most players.
No.
Yes.
No. Even if that were true though, most people would say that it would be better to create more space so that you can use only one hand.
No. I can play two handed forehand, but I always choose a one handed forehand. On the backhand side, I can play two handed, but will choose one hand 99% of the time. Unlike on my forehand side, I actually do use two hands occasionally on my backhand side, but it has nothing to do with how close I am to the ball.
TnsGuru
Professional
GD you assert that 2 handed Fh is the way to go but what works for you will not work for others. This is why there is so many styles, grips and technique out there. Congratulations that you found a technique that works for you but to say this is the way to play for the masses is purely subjective.
Why can't you say "works for me but it could help others if they are having problems with their FH". Shouldn't insist that this is the wave of the future in pro tennis because I'm afraid it isn't revolutionary or new. Did you know Rafael Nadal played two handed on both sides when he was younger?
Uncle Tony said this two handed stroke was good but not really a weapon and he switched it to a one handed lefty forehand. Do you think Nadal would have been better off if he would have stuck with the two handed stroke? IMO no.
Why can't you say "works for me but it could help others if they are having problems with their FH". Shouldn't insist that this is the wave of the future in pro tennis because I'm afraid it isn't revolutionary or new. Did you know Rafael Nadal played two handed on both sides when he was younger?
Uncle Tony said this two handed stroke was good but not really a weapon and he switched it to a one handed lefty forehand. Do you think Nadal would have been better off if he would have stuck with the two handed stroke? IMO no.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
Hsieh playes 2 two handed backhands and she switches hands . It doesnt take long time but there are a lot of situations when it is too long especially when the player is inside the court. Playing inside the court is the main advantage of two handed forehand with swithed hands. There is also another problem with playing two two handed forehands. Left hand usually is not equally efficient. In two handed backhand left hand gets a lot of help from right dominant hand.
In GD's opinion, yes. He is almost undoubtedly wrong, but he doesn't care.
If Hsieh doesn't have a problem with it, why would you have a problem with the time? The guys you play don't hit half as hard as the people she plays.
And in a true two handed backhand for a right handed player, the right hand shouldn't be doing hardly anything other than guiding. Your argument that the left hand needs help is invalid.
Gregory Diamond
Professional
I know that Nadal played two handed forehand but there are many kinds of two handed forehand. Only some of them are really good. I use at least 4 kinds of forehands.
Forehand of Seles, forehand of Hradecka, forehand of Bartoli and forehand of Peng are the best. These are different techniques. In US there is popular forehand with left hand holding the racket without using the little finger(this finger is over right forefinger-Andre Dome is an example).
Doubles
Legend
You *still* haven't provided any evidence of a single match you've won.
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