Two Handed Forehand-the Future of Tennis !!!

[Gregory Diamond]

well, if you're winning... you're doing something right. so for us rec folks aspiring to your level... what tips can you pass on,... so far i have:
* don't split step
* don't use a 1hfh
* sprain/disable one hand to play better tennis
anything else?

Whatever you say it cant change the fact that I win almost everything though my right wrist is injured (it is not the only problem with my body). I can sometimes beat players from top 50 ITF list in my category. Why is it possible ? I just understand that tennis of professionals is not the same as tennis in older categories. Technique of Nadal, Federer, Del Potro...is good for them but whoever would try to copy it in older categories wouldnt achieve anything in tennis. The older you are the less wrist you should use. I dont use wrist to produce rotation and it is main reason why I win so many matches. Two handed backhand and two handed forehand dont need work of wrist(almost). That is why this technique in older categories gives great advantage. For almost all players above 35 who are not physical monsters but move well two handed forehand is the best choice. I very often read comments of trainers saying that we should play with loose wrist. It is the worst advise I have ever heard. It workes only when the head of the racket is accelerated to great speed. It may work for professionals but is a gigantic error in older categories. In older categories you should be more a wall for the ball so most work should be done not by wrist, not by forearm but by elbow. Two handed strokes naturally use elbow as the main source of power and rotation.

 

[Deleted member 23235]

Whatever you say it cant change the fact that I win almost everything though my right wrist is injured (it is not the only problem with my body). I can sometimes beat players from top 50 ITF list in my category. Why is it possible ? I just understand that tennis of professionals is not the same as tennis in older categories. Technique of Nadal, Federer, Del Potro...is good for them but whoever would try to copy it in older categories wouldnt achieve anything in tennis. The older you are the less wrist you should use. I dont use wrist to produce rotation and it is main reason why I win so many matches. Two handed backhand and two handed forehand dont need work of wrist(almost). That is why this technique in older categories gives great advantage. For almost all players above 35 who are not physical monsters but move well two handed forehand is the best choice. I very often read comments of trainers saying that we should play with loose wrist. It is the worst advise I have ever heard. It workes only when the head of the racket is accelerated to great speed. It may work for professionals but is a gigantic error in older categories. In older categories you should be more a wall for the ball so most work should be done not by wrist, not by forearm but by elbow. Two handed strokes naturally use elbow as the main source of power and rotation.

i'm agreeing, you're doing something right, so please share what else you're doing, that the rest of the rec community should be doing.
* don't split step (because you're conserving energy and/or you don't have the right timing to make it useful)
* don't use a 1hfh (if one hand is sprained)
* no wrist (i'm gonna presume you mean lag&snap... and yeah, it's an advanced technique.. but if you're a weekend warrior, best to avoid, else you'll likely make more errors than reap any benefits)
* use elbow for main source of power and rotation (lol, i've never seen an exerciese to work the elbow... are you setting us up to sell us "elbow grease"?)
* tennis technique for older folks is diffeent from pro tennis technique (true, if your body can't physiclaly do certain techniques (like a 1hfh because that wrist is hurt), then don't do it... reminds of the joke, "hey doc, my arm hurts when i do this...")

 

[Gregory Diamond]

i'm agreeing, you're doing something right, so please share what else you're doing, that the rest of the rec community should be doing.
* don't split step (because you're conserving energy and/or you don't have the right timing to make it useful)
* don't use a 1hfh (if one hand is sprained)
* no wrist (i'm gonna presume you mean lag&snap... and yeah, it's an advanced technique.. but if you're a weekend warrior, best to avoid, else you'll likely make more errors than reap any benefits)
* use elbow for main source of power and rotation (lol, i've never seen an exerciese to work the elbow... are you setting us up to sell us "elbow grease"?)
* tennis technique for older folks is diffeent from pro tennis technique (true, if your body can't physiclaly do certain techniques (like a 1hfh because that wrist is hurt), then don't do it... reminds of the joke, "hey doc, my arm hurts when i do this...")

Watch video with Sharapova or Azarenka hitting forehand and watch what they do with right elbow.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

 

[Deleted member 23235]

Watch video with Sharapova or Azarenka hitting forehand and watch what they do with right elbow.

is that a fair comparison... arent' they using a 1hfh?
if i extrapolate further,... maybe, what you mean by "watch what they do with the right elbow"... you mean "follow through"?

 

[spaceman_spiff]

Split step is justified only on fast surfaces and when balls fly with the speed over 200 km per hour. In all other cases it is just waste of energy.

Like I said, the fact that you split-step on almost every shot in your videos and then you say stuff like this shows that you don't have a very good understanding of what is actually happening on the tennis court.

Every time you are in a rally, you set your feet so that you are on your toes with your leg muscles flexed and your weight balanced the moment your opponent makes contact with the ball. In the fraction of a second before your opponent makes contact, your weight is off one or both of your feet so that you only set yourself as your opponent hits the ball. This is a split step.

Not using a split step would mean setting your feet before your opponent hits the ball and standing flat-footed until after impact.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

I see you cant prove your point. I dont use split step and I win almost all tournaments I take part in.

Maybe if you split step you'd win ALL of the tournaments. Or maybe you'd win more easily.

Split step means losing stability what is very important in tennis.

It lowers your center of gravity which improves your stability. It does put you on your toes which you could argue is less stable...if you were going to remain in that position. However, it's a precursor to explosive movement so that split [no pun intended] second of instability is compensated for by the dynamic advantage.

I have no problem with returning. I am almost always where the ball is. Why should I use split step if without it I win almost everything.

I certainly can't match your tournament record so if that's how one judges the split step's effectiveness, it's definitely not needed.

However, I judge things based on my results, not yours and I'm pretty sure I'd be worse off without the split step.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

"hey doc, my arm hurts when i do this...")

"Then don't do that."

 

[Gregory Diamond]

is that a fair comparison... arent' they using a 1hfh?
if i extrapolate further,... maybe, what you mean by "watch what they do with the right elbow"... you mean "follow through"?

I try to prove that even in one handed forehand the elbow is most important. Professionals may add wrist but for most people wrist is the reason of almost all errors.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

reminds of the joke, "hey doc, my arm hurts when i do this...")

The other one being:

"Hey doc, it hurts when I press on my arm here, here, and here. Do I have a broken arm?"

"No, you have a broken thumb."

 

[Deleted member 23235]

I try to prove that even in one handed forehand the elbow is most important. Professionals may add wrist but for most people wrist is the reason of almost all errors.

the thumb is most important for both, else you couldn't hold onto the racquet.
no wait, the eyes are most important for both, else you couldn't see the ball
no wait, the legs are most important for both, else i couldn't move to the ball
no wait, my big toe is most important for both, else i couldn't maintain balance..

grr... tennis is so hard, i quit.
can i become your disciple?

 

[BenC]

I wonder if this guy and oserver are TW employees trolling us so we don't get bored and leave.

 

[subban]

Its not a bad technique for a certain level, as long as you understand you would probably plateau at that level and wouldn't go any higher. Something akin to 100% moonballing your shots at the 3.0-3.5 level. Hank Aaron used to hit cross handed like this to become the steroid free all time leader in home runs. If your a larger type build with big strong wrists to hit cross-handed, you can get away hitting these shots. But the reason you won't get to the next level is for better angle and faster pace shots you don't have time to recover and you would be stuck hitting weak one handed slice shots to recover that your opponent could easily put away instead of hitting one handed forehand shots with some drive and pace.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Its not a bad technique for a certain level, as long as you understand you would probably plateau at that level and wouldn't go any higher. Something akin to 100% moonballing your shots at the 3.0-3.5 level. Hank Aaron used to hit cross handed like this to become the steroid free all time leader in home runs. If your a larger type build with big strong wrists to hit cross-handed, you can get away hitting these shots. But the reason you won't get to the next level is for better angle and faster pace shots you don't have time to recover and you would be stuck hitting weak one handed slice shots to recover that your opponent could easily put away instead of hitting one handed forehand shots with some drive and pace.

You should read my earlier comments. Two handed forehand let you hit balls on the rise when you are inside the court. You can produce greater angles. Usually it is one handed player who is running a lot. Monica Seles was the best example. Your opponents dont have time to hit the balls with great precision.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

You should read my earlier comments. Two handed forehand let you hit balls on the rise when you are inside the court.

So does a 1HFH.

You can produce greater angles.

I don't have any proof of that since I don't hit with a 1HFH. Nor have I seen anyone attempt to prove it. You present your limited sample size but that's not proof, only anecdotal evidence. Whose to say those players [including yourself] didn't do well due to other factors?

Usually it is one handed player who is running a lot. Monica Seles was the best example.

Seles likely would have kept her opponents running no matter which FH she hit.

Your opponents dont have time to hit the balls with great precision.

Opponents lacking time is due to you hitting the ball fast and/or early, not due to how many hands you use to hit your FH.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Yesterday I practised two handed volley on the wall and found new kind of two handed forehand. I just practised volley and then tried to hit forehand with the same grip. It worked. Very fast and flat balls. Less rotation. I`ll try to record it today. We all know that the whole world is waiting for two handed forehand because it is the future of tennis.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Future of tennis.

 

[spaceman_spiff]

We all know that the whole world is waiting for two handed forehand because it is the future of tennis.

Who is "we"? You keep saying "we all agree" and "we all know," but nobody in any of the threads that you've created about two-handed forehands has agreed with you. "We" all disagree with you. So apart from yourself, who else thinks that the two-handed forehand is the future?

Also, the world is not waiting for two-handed forehand, because the world has already known about it for 30 years. We all know that the two-handed forehand is not the future. We all agree on that.

 

[Vanhalen]

This is the dumbest trolling post on TT ever.

 

[Curious]

There is no limit to human imagination.

 

[Vanhalen]

Or stupidity

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Who is "we"? You keep saying "we all agree" and "we all know," but nobody in any of the threads that you've created about two-handed forehands has agreed with you. "We" all disagree with you. So apart from yourself, who else thinks that the two-handed forehand is the future?

Also, the world is not waiting for two-handed forehand, because the world has already known about it for 30 years. We all know that the two-handed forehand is not the future. We all agree on that.

Only 4-5 people dont agree with me. All others now are practising two handed forehand.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Or stupidity

I have a broken thumb of right hand. My right wrist is injured. I have problems with right shoulder joint. How is it possible that since beginning of May I have won 6 tournaments and 2 times lost in the final ? The answer is obvious. TWO HANDED FOREHAND. Even people with disabled hands(playing two handed forehand) can win with healthy guys using one handed forehand. If you want to win forget about one handed forehand and go on the court to practise two handed forehand. That is my advice and you dont have to pay me for it. Just "Thank You" will be enough.

 

[Curious]

I have a broken thumb of right hand. My right wrist is injured. I have problems with right shoulder joint. How is it possible that since beginning of May I have won 6 tournaments and 2 times lost in the final ?

We won't know how good/bad a player you would be if you hadnt been forced to use 2 handed forehands.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

We won't know how good/bad a player you would be if you hadnt been forced to use 2 handed forehands.

If it is true that one handed forehand is much better than two handed forehand It would mean that now I would be the best in the world in my category. I like that thought but unfortunately I dont believe.

 

[Curious]

If it is true that one handed forehand is much better than two handed forehand It would mean that now I would be the best in the world in my category.

Have your feet on the ground. Maybe you would be better. That's all.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Have your feet on the ground. Maybe you would be better. That's all.

If I managed to beat players who during last 2 years were in top 50 ITF it means that now playing one handed forehand I would be at least in top 10 ( of course if one handed forehand is much better than two handed what we know is not true).

 

[Curious]

If I managed to beat players who during last 2 years were in top 50 ITF it means that now playing one handed forehand I would be at least in top 10 ( of course if one handed forehand is much better than two handed what we know is not true).

Do you have other tennis theories apart from this one and that split step is not necessary?

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Do you have other tennis theories apart from this one and that split step is not necessary?

Yes. The most important is that you should push the ball and not hit it. The second is that you should do it not with your wrist, not forearm but using your elbow. That is one of the reasons why I have won so many matches. What looks like hitting when we watch professionals is just quick pushing.

 

[FiReFTW]

Two handed backhand is the ugliest looking stroke in tennis, why would you choose to hit that ugly shot on both wings, one wing is worse enough already lol.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Two handed backhand is the ugliest looking stroke in tennis, why would you choose to hit that ugly shot on both wings, one wing is worse enough already lol.

If in tennis there were points for style I wouldnt used two hands.

 

[Curious]

Yes. The most important is that you should push the ball and not hit it. The second is that you should do it not with your wrist, not forearm but using your elbow. That is one of the reasons why I have won so many matches. What looks like hitting when we watch professionals is just quick pushing.

Goodness me!

 

[Yoneyama]

Today I disabled my hand and instantly began hitting +35% angles, and +12% depth. Tomorrow I will be disabling my split step, and achieving +48% energy efficiency. Thankyou Gregory, you have really changed my game.

 

[Curious]

I'm torn between yours and the inertial tennis stuff.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Goodness me!

I knew that it will shock you.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Today I disabled my hand and instantly began hitting +35% angles, and +12% depth. Tomorrow I will be disabling my split step, and achieving +48% energy efficiency. Thankyou Gregory, you have really changed my game.

You can cut part of your right thumb. It helped me too.

 

[Curious]

I knew that it will shock you.

Can you arrange a match with the inertial tennis guy, both living in Poland? He seems to be good enough to crush you although I doubt it's because of his theory.

 

[Curious]

By the way, you never get angry, call people 'idiot'. Why? What's your theory behind your mental strength?

 

[Gregory Diamond]

Can you arrange a match with the inertial tennis guy, both living in Poland? He seems to be good enough to crush you although I doubt it's because of his theory.

He doesnt play in tournaments. I play a lot of tournaments so if he wanted to beat me he would have a lot of occasions. What I say is proved by my results. There must be something in my tennis what gives me great advantage. If not two handed forehand then what ?

 

[Gregory Diamond]

By the way, you never get angry, call people 'idiot'. Why? What's your theory behind your mental strength?

I graduated in theoretical physics and I was forced to try to get answers to most important questions about human life. Thousand times I had to argue with really wise people. I am just accustomed to such discussions.

 

[Yoneyama]

You can cut part of your right thumb. It helped me too.

I just slammed the car door on my wrist 5 times, then I also rubbed a pencil eraser on each of my fingers to achieve 5mm sized blisters. After these exercises, my hand was thoroughly disabled, and my forehand was better than ever.

 

[Curious]

I graduated in theoretical physics and I was forced to try to get answers to most important questions about human life. Thousand times I had to argue with really wise people. I am just accustomed to such discussions.

You gotta be kidding! You're both physicists, you're both from Poland, you both offer some crazy tennis theories that no one believes! You gotta be kidding.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

You gotta be kidding! You're both physicists, you're both from Poland, you both offer some crazy tennis theories that no one believes! You gotta be kidding.

The difference is that my theory really works. What is more important that it works even for people who have two disabled hands.

 

[Gregory Diamond]

You gotta be kidding! You're both physicists, you're both from Poland, you both offer some crazy tennis theories that no one believes! You gotta be kidding.

I should remind you that Radwanska, Wozniacki, Kerber and Lisicki(finalist of Wimbledon) are Poles.

 

[hurworld]

I'm torn between yours and the inertial tennis stuff.

Por que no los dos?

Inertial Two-Handed Forehand (ITHF). Or Two-Handed Inertial Forehand (THIF). They can both duke it out. Winner gets to put his/her brand first.

 

[Curious]

The difference is that my theory really works. What is more important that it works even for people who have two disabled hands.

@jch will probably strongly disagree! Why don't you guys have a discussion as you will understand each other from physics perspective?

 

[spaceman_spiff]

Only 4-5 people dont agree with me. All others now are practising two handed forehand.

Now, you're just making me question your ability to count. I can count 10 people who disagree with you on just 1 page of 1 thread. At the same time, I don't recall a single person on any thread that you have created who has actually agreed with you.

I don't like to use the word "delusional" too often, but I'm struggling to find a way to describe your position without it. All of the evidence suggests that pretty much everyone disagrees with you, but you speak as though you think that everyone is on your side.

So again, who is "we"? Can you point to a single person who actually agrees with you? So far, I haven't seen any.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Gregory ... you have a disabled 2hfh and theory. Elbow pushing is not a wise injury prevention technique. Adequate rhs at contact with the ball is ... let your racquet momentum do the work, not that poor pushing elbow. That elbow is the future site of a TE band.

 

[Curious]

Now, you're just making me question your ability to count.

He has a degree in physics, not math!

 

[Gregory Diamond]

@jch will probably strongly disagree! Why don't you guys have a discussion as you will understand each other from physics perspective?

I undrestand inertial tennis because sometimes I use this technique. It workes only when the speed of the head of the racket is really high. You can see it in my videos when sometimes I play two handed backhand and just after the stroke I hold the racket only using right hand. Usually I do it when I am inside the court and want to generate great rotation.