Two Handed Forehand-the Future of Tennis !!!

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Jannick

Rookie
Who dont agree ? It was all explained before. You cant disagree with obvious facts.

We've said this 1000 times.

You don't have facts. You winning a tournament doesn't prove anything.

Literally everyone, noone agrees.

We can disagree if we want, because they are not facts. It is actually a fact that the one handed forehand has more power due to leverage. We all agree on the fact that the two handed backhand is an option if you aren't strong and can't swing a racket like a normal person. (e.g. injury).
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
‘Fact’ - a thing that is known or proved to be true.
‘Known’ - within the scope of knowledge.
‘Proof’ - evidence establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

None of these criteria have been met with regard to any statement about the two handed forehand. It is entirely conjecture - with the odd off the wall claim.


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mad dog1

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‘Fact’ - a thing that is known or proved to be true.
‘Known’ - within the scope of knowledge.
‘Proof’ - evidence establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

None of these criteria have been met with regard to any statement about the two handed forehand. It is entirely conjecture - with the odd off the wall claim.


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We all know no one cares about facts. We all just care about winning and GD is a winner! ;) :D
 

Gregory Diamond

Professional
‘Fact’ - a thing that is known or proved to be true.
‘Known’ - within the scope of knowledge.
‘Proof’ - evidence establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

None of these criteria have been met with regard to any statement about the two handed forehand. It is entirely conjecture - with the odd off the wall claim.


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I cant understand why you all fight with facts. Almost all women who used two handed forehand won grand slams in singles or doubles. I win almost all tournaments. What other proof do you need ?
 

Gregory Diamond

Professional
You can see in all my videos how effective two handed forehand is. You can play with precision you will never be able to achieve using one handed forehand. You see that there is no real problem with the shortened reach because your opponents are forced to run and they dont have time to exploit it. To the last moment they dont know where the ball will go. You dont even have to hit fast balls because hiding your intentions you take time from your opponents. Even when you are late you can hit the ball where you want because of short swing. There are almost no unforced errors so your opponents are forced to go for winners to win the point. They risk a lot and they lose.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
You can see in all my videos how effective two handed forehand is. You can play with precision you will never be able to achieve using one handed forehand. You see that there is no real problem with the shortened reach because your opponents are forced to run and they dont have time to exploit it. To the last moment they dont know where the ball will go. You dont even have to hit fast balls because hiding your intentions you take time from your opponents. Even when you are late you can hit the ball where you want because of short swing. There are almost no unforced errors so your opponents are forced to go for winners to win the point. They risk a lot and they lose.
So why don’t any of the top ATP pros use the 2hfh?
 

Gregory Diamond

Professional
So why don’t any of the top ATP pros use the 2hfh?
Young players are forbidden to use two handed forehand in tennis clubs. Only weak girls are allowed because nobody expects them to achieve a success. And these weak girls (Seles, Bartoli, Hsieh,Peng) won grand slams.
 
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mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Young players are forbidden to use two handed forehand in tennis clubs. Only weak girls are allowed because nobody expects them to achieve a success. And these weak girls (Seles, Bartoli, Hsieh) won grand slams.
So why don’t any of the top ATP pros use the 2hfh?
 

Gregory Diamond

Professional
Every winner of a men’s grand slam event for the past 20 years has played the 1hfh. We all know the 1hfh is the fh of the future. You must not want to win a grand slam.
They won only because they played against weak players using one handed forehand.

You only proved that one handed forehand is better than one handed forehand.
 
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3loudboys

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We've said this 1000 times.
It is actually a fact that the one handed forehand has more power due to leverage.

I'm not on the Diamond train exactly, but you make me wonder, why then is my two-handed backhand almost the same power as my one handed forehand? It is more reliable as well, as the stroke is more "technical". I remember reading on racquetresearch that the two handed shot was theoretically superior because of the rotational momentum, which is why baseball players use both hands. (Of course they are trying for distance and have a heavier ball and bat.) Though probably the rotational momentum is negated by the lower length of the fulcrum?

I still use a normal one-handed forehand as two handed on both sides felt clumsy, and the other hand on my forehand almost gets in the way, as the benefit of the two hander is most when only one side uses it. However I have used a two handed forehand on one point in match, just for fun and to try to throw off my opponents.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
They see GD trollin'
They hatin'
Patrolling
And tryna catch him postin' wordy
Tryna catch him by being wordy

Hi two hand FH
He says he's so proud
GD trollin'
Justify'in by postin' wordy
Tryna troll by postin' wordy
 

Saul Goode

Semi-Pro
My analysis allowed me to win 40 matches in tournaments since the beginning of May. I lost only 3. It is excellent result.
Your analysis overestimates your results. If I can beat a one-legged man in a foot race running backwards, that does not mean running backward is superior to forward.
 
Superior to what? As proper forehand fully utilizes "rotational momentum".

It means the rotational momentum is stronger with two hands because the frame is closer to our body, just why a baseball player hits with both hands. However the reach is not as good, nor is the lever/fulcrum/distance. I got this information/hypothesis from the old Racquet Reseach site.

My thought is the two hander rewards tight "core" muscles of the body and not the arms, since I know several women players who have good two handers that are better than their one handed. Perhaps if you have tight abs and weaker arms the two hander helps?
 

Gregory Diamond

Professional
It means the rotational momentum is stronger with two hands because the frame is closer to our body, just why a baseball player hits with both hands. However the reach is not as good, nor is the lever/fulcrum/distance. I got this information/hypothesis from the old Racquet Reseach site.

My thought is the two hander rewards tight "core" muscles of the body and not the arms, since I know several women players who have good two handers that are better than their one handed. Perhaps if you have tight abs and weaker arms the two hander helps?
The main advantage of two handed forehand is that it allows to absorb a lot of energy of approaching ball because of more firm grip..
 

Gregory Diamond

Professional
We cant discuss on the same level because you cant hit the ball using proper two handed forehand. I successfully used one handed forehand for 15 years. Even now when the ball is far from my body I use one handed forehand. I know everything about both. You only repeat false theories about two handed forehand.
 

Dragy

Legend
It means the rotational momentum is stronger with two hands because the frame is closer to our body, just why a baseball player hits with both hands. However the reach is not as good, nor is the lever/fulcrum/distance. I got this information/hypothesis from the old Racquet Reseach site.

My thought is the two hander rewards tight "core" muscles of the body and not the arms, since I know several women players who have good two handers that are better than their one handed. Perhaps if you have tight abs and weaker arms the two hander helps?
Actually, from theory standpoint, more range rewards rotational moment more. In practice we should consider if momentum of inertia of the arm slows down torso rotation to any singnificant degree. I don't have any proofs, but my opinion is - not that much. the actual issue is creating a strong link to deliver more-than-enough moment of force to counter increased moment of inertia from longer lever. Shoulder muscles and pecs are not strong enough to keep up with these powers with flexing, but fully-ESRed, locked shoulder deals with this just well with fully stretched muscles.

If we leave the theory and semi-practice grounds and discuss pure practice, good strokes from tour players are not always "potentially maxed out" ones. They are just good related to competition and within the enviroment and associated challenges (like opponent giving tough balls to play). Evidently one can deliver RHS with bent-arms, close to body 2HBH and produce heavy shots. As well as one can struggle with theoretically more effective strokes due to numerous reasons, including "not grooved enough" (where "enough" is 15 years of practice).
 

Gregory Diamond

Professional
Great progress today. I changed the grip of right and left hand. The racket is more closed. Left thumb is behind the handle. Right hand-western grip. Now right elbow more active. Still problems with low balls. Probably left hand should help to rise the right elbow if the ball is too low. It will be tested tomorrow.

 

dnguyen

Hall of Fame
You are right, he's probably a UTR 8 or less, right? You should be able to beat him what, 6-2, 6-2?
I don’t think so because even if he is overweight and he can beat a two handed forehand person who think that two handed forehand is the future of tennis.
 
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dnguyen

Hall of Fame
I can serve much faster and go to the net but I dont have to. I dont want to waste my energy. When I play from the baseline I not only win a point but also I force my opponent to run a lot. After several rallies he is so tired that I win next points easily. This tactics works well on clay. We all know that only on clay there is real tennis.
Lol. Baseline will lose your energy during rallies.
 

skaj

Legend
As a child they taught me to play with one hand, but later I included a two-handed forehand in my game. Not sure how and why, it wasn't a conscious decision, now I use two hands on that side predominately.
It is definitely easier to position for it. Maybe I have more control with it too, not sure.
On the run I use a one-hander, almost exclusively.
 

Gregory Diamond

Professional
Second video from yesterday`s practice. You can see that I use one handed forehand when the ball is far from my body. You see that I do it really rarely. It means that the problem with shortened reach is almost non-existent. We all agree that a good tennis player should be able to hit the ball using one handed or two handed forehand. It depends which shot is better in the moment. Players who cant hit the ball using two handed forehand have no choice. They are like disabled people. It is as if somebody didnt use volley or serve and tried to do it hitting one handed forehand. It would be just stupid. People who cant play two handed forehand are not real tennis players.

 
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Saul Goode

Semi-Pro
What in my last comment you disagree with ? Do you think that we should use one handed forehand when we usually play volleys or serves ?
I disagree with you every time you claim “we all agree.” It is not true. You can spout whatever crackpot theories you have, but don’t try to validate them by falsely claiming other people’s support.
 

Gregory Diamond

Professional
I disagree with you every time you claim “we all agree.” It is not true. You can spout whatever crackpot theories you have, but don’t try to validate them by falsely claiming other people’s support.
You didnt answer my last question about volleys, serves and one handed forehand.
 
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