Two Handed Forehand !!!

grzewas

Semi-Pro
Sorry. I ser now that you talk about another player. The player in the movie that is in the beginning of this thread (that i thought it was about) does not change grip. 50 sec in the clip, it’s a good camera view of that.


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Yes. We are talking here about two handed forehand with crossed hands without changing grip. Hsieh Su Wei is an axception. In first 2 videos Alison Ramos and Peng Shuai dont change the grip. Really they change grip but in backhand and in forehand right hand is at the botom and left hand at the top.
 

grzewas

Semi-Pro
What grip is the left handed top hand?

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During an hour I am going to record short video with the grip of Peng Shuai. Grip in two handed forehand decides about everything. Most people trying to learn two handed forehand use wrong grip. Particularly of left hand. That is why their two handed forehand is stiff.
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
During an hour I am going to record short video with the grip of Peng Shuai. Grip in two handed forehand decides about everything. Most people trying to learn two handed forehand use wrong grip. Particularly of left hand. That is why their two handed forehand is stiff.
Believe it or not I tried this at home today and the top left hand is in a left handed continental and bottom right hand was semi Western.

I recorded some shadow swings when discussing symmetrical tennis with @oserver during lockdown. Felt really constricted and little forehand extension.

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grzewas

Semi-Pro
Believe it or not I tried this at home today and the top left hand is in a left handed continental and bottom right hand was semi Western.

I recorded some shadow swings when discussing symmetrical tennis with @oserver during lockdown. Felt really constricted and little forehand extension.

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It is not a good grip of left hand. Part of left hand should be over forefinger of right hand. I will show it in an hour.
 

grzewas

Semi-Pro
It is not a good grip of left hand. Part of left hand should be over forefinger of right hand. I will show it in an hour.
I promised to record the grip for two handed forehand of Peng Shuai so here it is.


Left hand is over the end of right forefinger. If you move left hand even 0.5 cm towards the head of the racket your two handed backhand will be stiff and left arm will be blocking right hand.
 
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oserver

Professional
Believe it or not I tried this at home today and the top left hand is in a left handed continental and bottom right hand was semi Western.

I recorded some shadow swings when discussing symmetrical tennis with @oserver during lockdown. Felt really constricted and little forehand extension.

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This article has more stuff on the topic -
Monica Seles & Two-handed Tennis Playing Styles

Style photos
Tennis Style by Hand Positions
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
I promised to record the grip for two handed forehand of Peng Shuai so here it is.


Left hand is over the end of right forefinger. If you move left hand even 0.5 cm towards the head of the racket your two handed backhand will be stiff and left arm will be blocking right hand.
Checking your grips out the bottom hand looks to be an extreme eastern and the top hand a conti/mild eastern. Not that far from mine but the difference would be the interconnection of the hands. I've never considered the hands overlapping. What is the benefit of the overlap? I always believed that the greater the hands spread the greater the control of the racket and management of its SW.

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grzewas

Semi-Pro
Checking your grips out the bottom hand looks to be an extreme eastern and the top hand a conti/mild eastern. Not that far from mine but the difference would be the interconnection of the hands. I've never considered the hands overlapping. What is the benefit of the overlap? I always believed that the greater the hands spread the greater the control of the racket and management of its SW.

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Stiffness is the greatest problem in two handed forehand. It is always the case if all fingers of two hands are over the handle. It is solved in different way in different two handed forehands. Seles and Peng put left hand over the end of right forefinger.(but their grips are not the same). Bartoli, Hradecka and Kucova dont use left forefinger to hold the racket. Alison Ramos from the first video in this thread puts left little finger over right forefinger. If you do what they do then you can use inertia of the racket. Then two hands work almost like one. All the movement of the racket is similar to one handed forehand.
 
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zaph

Professional
Look if it works for you, fair enough but there is nothing superior about the two handed forehand over the one handed forehand. Since the forehand is generally the stronger shot, there is little point in most players trying it.

Oh and I have to question one of grzewas's claims. He says that in the two handed forehand, the dominant arm of the player is the dominant arm in the stroke. I am right handed and play a double handed backhand. My double hander is very left arm dominant, I can just about hit a one handed left arm forehand. This isn't unusual, different players hit the stroke in different ways. So either or neither arms can be dominant.

Just because grzewas hits a shot in a certain way, doesn't mean everybody else does it that way or his way is the correct way to do it.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
What a coincidence. My right wrist also is injured. Maybe it means that two handed forehand is for players who are not too strong. So for most women.
Yeah, what a coincidence. What are the chances? A common problem with Polish physicists, I've heard. Also, very odd that most women do not employ a two-hander on the Fh side.
 

grzewas

Semi-Pro
Yeah, what a coincidence. What are the chances? A common problem with Polish physicists, I've heard. Also, very odd that most women do not employ a two-hander on the Fh side.
That is why most of women using one handed forehand cant win grand slams in singles or in doubles. Most women who used two handed forehand won grand slam. Seles in singles , Bartoli-Wimbledon in singles, Hradecka and Peng in doubles.
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
I have a few stats on the women's winners of grand slams from 2000 and their forehands that will not surprise many people.

Here's a summary of the count of winners with 1 handed forehands and those with 2 handed forehands. Thats 80 - 1 with the only women's singles slam champ with a 2 handed forehand being Marion Bartoli. The stats show 98.8% of womens slam winners use 1 handed forehands.

Stroke​
Count​
Ratio​
1 handed forehands8098.8%
2 handed forehands11.2%
Total81100.0%

And just for fun as I researched it, by slam below. To many characters to post at once so Wimby & Oz on this and French & US to follow.

WIMBLEDON

Year
Country​
Champion​
FH​
Country​
Runner Up​
Score​
2000​
USAVenus Williams1 USALindsay Davenport6–3, 7–6(7–3)
2001​
USAVenus Williams1 BELJustine Henin6–1, 3–6, 6–0
2002​
USASerena Williams1 USAVenus Williams7–6(7–4), 6–3
2003​
USASerena Williams1 USAVenus Williams4–6, 6–4, 6–2
2004​
RUSMaria Sharapova1 USASerena Williams6–1, 6–4
2005​
USAVenus Williams1 USALindsay Davenport4–6, 7–6(7–4), 9–7
2006​
FRAAmélie Mauresmo1 BELJustine Henin2–6, 6–3, 6–4
2007​
USAVenus Williams1 FRAMarion Bartoli6–4, 6–1
2008​
USAVenus Williams1 USASerena Williams7–5, 6–4
2009​
USASerena Williams1 USAVenus Williams7–6(7–3), 6–2
2010​
USASerena Williams1 RUSVera Zvonareva6–3, 6–2
2011​
CZEPetra Kvitová1 RUSMaria Sharapova6–3, 6–4
2012​
USASerena Williams1 POLAgnieszka Radwanska6–1, 5–7, 6–2
2013​
FRAMarion Bartoli2 GERSabine Lisicki6–1, 6–4
2014​
CZEPetra Kvitová1 CANEugenie Bouchard6–3, 6–0
2015​
USASerena Williams1 ESPGarbiñe Muguruza6–4, 6–4
2016​
USASerena Williams1 GERAngelique Kerber7–5, 6–3
2017​
ESPGarbiñe Muguruza1 USAVenus Williams7–5, 6–0
2018​
GERAngelique Kerber1 USASerena Williams6–3, 6–3
2019​
ROUSimona Halep1 USASerena Williams6–2, 6–2

AUSTRALIAN OPEN

Year
Country​
Champion​
FH​
Country​
Runner Up​
Score​
2000​
USALindsay Davenport1 SUIMartina Hingis6–1, 7–5
2001​
USAJennifer Capriati1 SUIMartina Hingis6–4, 6–3
2002​
USAJennifer Capriati1 SUIMartina Hingis4–6, 7–6(9–7), 6–2
2003​
USASerena Williams1 USAVenus Williams7–6(7–4), 3–6, 6–4
2004​
BELJustine Henin1 BELKim Clijsters6–3, 4–6, 6–3
2005​
USASerena Williams1 USALindsay Davenport2–6, 6–3, 6–0
2006​
FRAAmélie Mauresmo1 BELJustine Henin6–1, 2–0 retired
2007​
USASerena Williams1 RUSMaria Sharapova6–1, 6–2
2008​
RUSMaria Sharapova1 SRBAna Ivanovic7–5, 6–3
2009​
USASerena Williams1 RUSDinara Safina6–0, 6–3
2010​
USASerena Williams1 BELJustine Henin6–4, 3–6, 6–2
2011​
BELKim Clijsters1 CHNLi Na3–6, 6–3, 6–3
2012​
BLRVictoria Azarenka1 RUSMaria Sharapova6–3, 6–0
2013​
BLRVictoria Azarenka1 CHNLi Na4–6, 6–4, 6–3
2014​
CHNLi Na1 SVKDominika Cibulková7–6(7–3), 6–0
2015​
USASerena Williams1 RUSMaria Sharapova6–3, 7–6(7–5)
2016​
GERAngelique Kerber1 USASerena Williams6–4, 3–6, 6–4
2017​
USASerena Williams1 USAVenus Williams6–4, 6–4
2018​
DENCaroline Wozniacki1 ROUSimona Halep7–6(7–2), 3–6, 6–4
2019​
JPNNaomi Osaka1 CZEPetra Kvitová7–6(7–2), 5–7, 6–4
2020​
USASofia Kenin1 ESPGarbiñe Muguruza4–6, 6–2, 6–2
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
Part II - Women's Slam winners, US Open & French Open, and their amazing forehands!

US OPEN

Year
Country​
Champion​
FH​
Country​
Runner Up​
Score​
2000​
USAVenus Williams1 USALindsay Davenport6–4, 7–5
2001​
USAVenus Williams (2)1 USASerena Williams6–2, 6–4
2002​
USASerena Williams (2)1 USAVenus Williams6–4, 6–3
2003​
BELJustine Henin1 BELKim Clijsters7–5, 6–1
2004​
RUSSvetlana Kuznetsova1 RUSElena Dementieva6–3, 7–5
2005​
BELKim Clijsters1 FRAMary Pierce6–3, 6–1
2006​
RUSMaria Sharapova1 BELJustine Henin6–4, 6–4
2007​
BELJustine Henin (2)1 RUSSvetlana Kuznetsova6–1, 6–3
2008​
USASerena Williams (3)1 SRBJelena Jankovic6–4, 7–5
2009​
BELKim Clijsters (2)1 DENCaroline Wozniacki7–5, 6–3
2010​
BELKim Clijsters (3)1 RUSVera Zvonareva6–2, 6–1
2011​
AUSSamantha Stosur1 USASerena Williams6–2, 6–3
2012​
USASerena Williams (4)1 BLRVictoria Azarenka6–2, 2–6, 7–5
2013​
USASerena Williams (5)1 BLRVictoria Azarenka7–5, 6–7(6–8), 6–1
2014​
USASerena Williams (6)1 DENCaroline Wozniacki6–3, 6–3
2015​
ITAFlavia Pennetta1 ITARoberta Vinci7–6(7–4), 6–2
2016​
GERAngelique Kerber1 CZEKarolína Plíšková6–3, 4–6, 6–4
2017​
USASloane Stephens1 USAMadison Keys6–3, 6–0
2018​
JPNNaomi Osaka1 USASerena Williams6–2, 6–4
2019​
CANBianca Andreescu1 USASerena Williams6–3, 7–5

FRENCH OPEN

Year
Country​
Champion​
FH​
Country​
Runner Up​
Score​
2000​
FRAMary Pierce1 ESPConchita Martínez6–2, 7–5
2001​
USAJennifer Capriati1 BELKim Clijsters1–6, 6–4, 12–10
2002​
USASerena Williams1 USAVenus Williams7–5, 6–3
2003​
BELJustine Henin-Hardenne1 BELKim Clijsters6–0, 6–4
2004​
RUSAnastasia Myskina1 RUSElena Dementieva6–1, 6–2
2005​
BELJustine Henin-Hardenne1 FRAMary Pierce6–1, 6–1
2006​
BELJustine Henin-Hardenne1 RUSSvetlana Kuznetsova6–4, 6–4
2007​
BELJustine Henin1 SRBAna Ivanovic6–1, 6–2
2008​
SRBAna Ivanovic1 RUSDinara Safina6–4, 6–3
2009​
RUSSvetlana Kuznetsova1 RUSDinara Safina6–4, 6–2
2010​
ITAFrancesca Schiavone1 AUSSamantha Stosur6–4, 7–6(7–2)
2011​
CHNLi Na1 ITAFrancesca Schiavone6–4, 7–6(7–0)
2012​
RUSMaria Sharapova1 ITASara Errani6–3, 6–2
2013​
USASerena Williams1 RUSMaria Sharapova6–4, 6–4
2014​
RUSMaria Sharapova1 ROUSimona Halep6–4, 6–7(5–7), 6–4
2015​
USASerena Williams1 CZELucie Šafárová6–3, 6–7(2–7), 6–2
2016​
ESPGarbiñe Muguruza1 USASerena Williams7–5, 6–4
2017​
LATJelena Ostapenko1 ROUSimona Halep4–6, 6–4, 6–3
2018​
ROUSimona Halep1 USASloane Stephens3–6, 6–4, 6–1
2019​
AUSAshleigh Barty1 CZEMarkéta Vondroušová6–1, 6–3
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
I have a few stats on the women's winners of grand slams from 2000 and their forehands that will not surprise many people.

Here's a summary of the count of winners with 1 handed forehands and those with 2 handed forehands. Thats 80 - 1 with the only women's singles slam champ with a 2 handed forehand being Marion Bartoli. The stats show 98.8% of womens slam winners use 1 handed forehands.

wait a second, wasn't Gregory saying that amateurs shouldn't copy professionals?
why are we comparing the strength that an average old amateur has to a pro, even a WTA pro?
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
wait a second, wasn't Gregory saying that amateurs shouldn't copy professionals?
why are we comparing the strength that an average old amateur has to a pro, even a WTA pro?
Our 2 handed guru surely did advise that, but in the same breath see post #64, about female GS winners. Just thought I'd decorate the thread with some reality[emoji6]

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zaph

Professional
Our 2 handed guru surely did advise that, but in the same breath see post #64, about female GS winners. Just thought I'd decorate the thread with some reality[emoji6]

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He reminds me of a conspiracy nut I was arguing with, who when I pointed out virtually every scientific and engineering expert disagreed with her theory, replied experts didn't know anything. Later she claimed her theory was backed by a Japanese physicist, therefore she she must be right because he was an expert. In the same way the OP dismisses pro players and then uses them as an example when it suits him.

Of course even ignoring the pros, there are vast numbers of amateur players who successfully hit both reliable and powerful one handed forehands. There is no evidence that the two handed version is in anyway superior but like my conspiracy theorist, there is no point in arguing with a true believer like grzewas.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Stiffness is the greatest problem in two handed forehand. It is always the case if all fingers of two hands are over the handle. It is solved in different way in different two handed forehands. Seles and Peng put left hand over the end of right forefinger.(but their grips are not the same). Bartoli, Hradecka and Kucova dont use left forefinger to hold the racket. Alison Ramos from the first video in this thread puts left little finger over right forefinger. If you do what they do then you can use inertia of the racket. Then two hands work almost like one. All the movement of the racket is similar to one handed forehand.
If I ever develop a 2hf, I want it to look like Alison Ramos’s. If it helps me dance better like her too, that would be a bonus.
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
He reminds me of a conspiracy nut I was arguing with, who when I pointed out virtually every scientific and engineering expert disagreed with her theory, replied experts didn't know anything. Later she claimed her theory was backed by a Japanese physicist, therefore she she must be right because he was an expert. In the same way the OP dismisses pro players and then uses them as an example when it suits him.

Of course even ignoring the pros, there are vast numbers of amateur players who successfully hit both reliable and powerful one handed forehands. There is no evidence that the two handed version is in anyway superior but like my conspiracy theorist, there is no point in arguing with a true believer like grzewas.
I am delighted this technique works for G but it's not the most popular nor successful. I did give it a go in lock down trying to be as open minded as possible but didn't feel as good as a one hander. There might be potential if a child was coached from a young age, but even then I still feel a one hander has far more versatility.
 

grzewas

Semi-Pro
He reminds me of a conspiracy nut I was arguing with, who when I pointed out virtually every scientific and engineering expert disagreed with her theory, replied experts didn't know anything. Later she claimed her theory was backed by a Japanese physicist, therefore she she must be right because he was an expert. In the same way the OP dismisses pro players and then uses them as an example when it suits him.

Of course even ignoring the pros, there are vast numbers of amateur players who successfully hit both reliable and powerful one handed forehands. There is no evidence that the two handed version is in anyway superior but like my conspiracy theorist, there is no point in arguing with a true believer like grzewas.
I say that in many situations on the court two handed forehand is better and then we should use it.
 

RatedPG

New User
I stagnated at 4.0 level of tennis for many years. My forehand was always my weakest shot and usually just a lob or a slice. Learning the double handed forehand helped me reach my full potential with tennis by finally reaching the 4.5 level in 2018. Now my goal is to stay at this level for as many years as possible. It has helped me volley much better and to have variety and disguise on my shots. I think the mistake most people make is they try to emulate professional players without experimenting with what best suits their skill set. Most players that play tennis reach a 3.5 level and don’t progress ever from that level. I only know about a half a dozen of players that play with double handed forehand and they all play 4.0 or higher including a 70+ year old lady at 4.0 level that beats most of the lady players in our club with this type of play style
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
I stagnated at 4.0 level of tennis for many years. My forehand was always my weakest shot and usually just a lob or a slice. Learning the double handed forehand helped me reach my full potential with tennis by finally reaching the 4.5 level in 2018. Now my goal is to stay at this level for as many years as possible. It has helped me volley much better and to have variety and disguise on my shots. I think the mistake most people make is they try to emulate professional players without experimenting with what best suits their skill set. Most players that play tennis reach a 3.5 level and don’t progress ever from that level. I only know about a half a dozen of players that play with double handed forehand and they all play 4.0 or higher including a 70+ year old lady at 4.0 level that beats most of the lady players in our club with this type of play style

You need to start looking for inspiration in @sureshs
This is the only way to progress for all Internet Tennis Warriors
Everything else is a waste of your time
 

grzewas

Semi-Pro
I stagnated at 4.0 level of tennis for many years. My forehand was always my weakest shot and usually just a lob or a slice. Learning the double handed forehand helped me reach my full potential with tennis by finally reaching the 4.5 level in 2018. Now my goal is to stay at this level for as many years as possible. It has helped me volley much better and to have variety and disguise on my shots. I think the mistake most people make is they try to emulate professional players without experimenting with what best suits their skill set. Most players that play tennis reach a 3.5 level and don’t progress ever from that level. I only know about a half a dozen of players that play with double handed forehand and they all play 4.0 or higher including a 70+ year old lady at 4.0 level that beats most of the lady players in our club with this type of play style
Could you publish a video ?
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
You would have to change grips. Advantage of two handed backhand and two handed forehand with crossed hands is that you dont have to change grips. Only small adjustment is needed.

Adjustment = change
No?

And what about power, ability to open angles, etc.?
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
I actually remember this guy from my childhood. Gene Mayer, two handed off both wings:

"Mayer probably plays the game more intelligently than anyone," says Harold Solomon, No. 10 in the world. "He's also extremely deceptive off both sides. He's able to mix up speeds and change the angles of his shots—deep, short, soft and hard. His forehand is the best shot in the game today."


 

zaph

Professional
I say that in many situations on the court two handed forehand is better and then we should use it.

What matters is which shot is likely to be stronger overall and the answer is the single handed shot.

Look, you're right, if someone can't hit the single hander or has an injury, go double handed but you keep arguing that the double is superior overall, which simply isn't true.

Take shot steadiness. I play a single handed forehand, in a hitting practice with a steady player, I had ago at seeing how many forehands I could hit without missing. The most I managed was 52 shots in a row. Yet you say a player with a single handed forehand like me can't be steady.

I am a bad player and I can hit a steady single handed forehand, so it really can't be that difficult a shot.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I am a bad player and I can hit a steady single handed forehand, so it really can't be that difficult a shot.
I am a good player (4.5-5.0), but my single-handed forehand is below par for my level, so I consider it a difficult shot.

I only hit forehand topspin drives when my opponent is at net or when I need to hit a hard approach shot. Even on approach shots, I often use slice. My slice forehand is excellent for my level. In rallies, I use almost exclusively slice or high deep loopy balls on forehand wing. I slice every single forehand return. I am a 4.5-5.0 version of Santoro, but with one 1hf.
I am open to experimenting with different techniques for my forehand drive, including 2hf. A few months ago, I changed my forehand drive technique from relaxed-wrist to firm-wrist, and my forehand improved an entire level almost overnight. I have much better control and confidence in my forehand passing shot and forehand drive than before. But then a few weeks ago, I started to get pain on inside of the elbow for the first time in my tennis life. So my neo-forehand may have to go.
 

oserver

Professional
Why I kept hitting the net...? Too much spinning around?! This video just added some juice to the two-handed forehand/backhand :p


Tennis without backhand :D Actually no, there was a backhand slice was a single handed one. So it can be called tennis without single-handed backhand:-D
 
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travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Why I kept hitting the net...? Too much spinning around?! This video just added some juice to the two-handed forehand/backhand :p


Tennis without backhand :D Actually no, there was a backhand slice was a single handed one. So it can be called tennis without single-handed backhand:-D
Pro tip: you will be less dizzy if you do the 360 on both wings, so that you reverse the effect from doing it in one direction.
 

grzewas

Semi-Pro
What matters is which shot is likely to be stronger overall and the answer is the single handed shot.

Look, you're right, if someone can't hit the single hander or has an injury, go double handed but you keep arguing that the double is superior overall, which simply isn't true.

Take shot steadiness. I play a single handed forehand, in a hitting practice with a steady player, I had ago at seeing how many forehands I could hit without missing. The most I managed was 52 shots in a row. Yet you say a player with a single handed forehand like me can't be steady.

I am a bad player and I can hit a steady single handed forehand, so it really can't be that difficult a shot.
We should establish what it means to be a two handed player. I use two handed forehand but when the ball is too far from me I use one handed. I choose the best forehand in each situation. I dont know any two handed player who chooses one handed forehand if the ball is within the reach of two handed. They do it because in many situations two handed forehand is much better. Particularly inside the court or if we dont have time. In the future each professional tennis player will be using both techniques.
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
I hit a few two handed forehands this weekend and most felt really restricting, however, there were one or two that came straight out the middle and felt heavy, were deep and had good pace. Still not switching though G, but was an eye opener.
 

grzewas

Semi-Pro
I hit a few two handed forehands this weekend and most felt really restricting, however, there were one or two that came straight out the middle and felt heavy, were deep and had good pace. Still not switching though G, but was an eye opener.
Maybe you should record your two handed strokes and I could help. During last 4 years I have tested all kinds of two handed forehands. Sometimes one seemingly trivial detail determines the entire stroke.
 

RatedPG

New User
We should establish what it means to be a two handed player. I use two handed forehand but when the ball is too far from me I use one handed. I choose the best forehand in each situation. I dont know any two handed player who chooses one handed forehand if the ball is within the reach of two handed. They do it because in many situations two handed forehand is much better. Particularly inside the court or if we dont have time. In the future each professional tennis player will be using both techniques.
I’m the same way. That’s what I like about the double handed forehand. I have a choice to hit double handed or single handed. If it is too far, I use one hand. Depending on the shot I get, if I want to hit with pace or angle, I choose double hand. For lobs or slice I still use single hand. Double hand forehand is 80% as good as my double handed backhand. I’m going to try to hit with your recent grip to see if that will make a difference.
 

mcs1970

Hall of Fame
I have seen a lefty who has a 2hfh and a 1hbh. Weird combination Didn’t ask him his ratings but seemed like a pretty solid player. Whatever makes your boat float.
 

oserver

Professional
Pro tip: you will be less dizzy if you do the 360 on both wings, so that you reverse the effect from doing it in one direction.
Haha, you are right - two minuses makes a plus. This makes sense since brain (left/right parts) has orientation similar to dominant/none-dominant hands too.

The actual use of these kinds of shot is to force errors or make a outright winner shot; plus produces sensational hit to make the player self happy, and to make viewers excited if it is in competitive matches. Imaging Djokevic or Nadal makes a move like this, how views in front of big TV would react? Here I didn't mention Federer; the reason is for single-handed players, 360 degree move is not that fun. One can get a lot more dizziness and rotation could be slower. Two-handed stroke needs to put the ball-side hand at the back position to make the rotational hit smooth and fun to watch.
 

oserver

Professional
I hit a few two handed forehands this weekend and most felt really restricting, however, there were one or two that came straight out the middle and felt heavy, were deep and had good pace. Still not switching though G, but was an eye opener.
Some tips for hitting thfh and thbh and hand switching techniques -


The current player to watch is Hsieh Su-wei. She maybe the first top player using a symmetrical two-handed playing style, using thbh on both sides. Thfh has more potential to generate angular momentum than thbh. This is also a playing form closest to one-handed forehand. That's why I used to call it Forehand Style Backhand.
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
@grzewas and @oserver - will not be changing to 2hfh but thanks for the offers of advice. Will however have another try to see if I can recreate those couple of balls that I hit this weekend. Would video but my phone is rubbish and makes look left handed!
 

Wurm

Professional
There is no evidence that the two handed version is in anyway superior but like my conspiracy theorist, there is no point in arguing with a true believer like grzewas.

Particularly given the oh so convincing evidence he keeps posting of himself playing old guys who'd struggle to move a shopping trolley.
 

grzewas

Semi-Pro
Some tips for hitting thfh and thbh and hand switching techniques -


The current player to watch is Hsieh Su-wei. She maybe the first top player using a symmetrical two-handed playing style, using thbh on both sides. Thfh has more potential to generate angular momentum than thbh. This is also a playing form closest to one-handed forehand. That's why I used to call it Forehand Style Backhand.
I this video we can see the greatest error in two handed forehand with crossed hands. At the beginning he leads right hand across his body and then always left arm blocks the movement of right arm. Right hand should move upward just before tha ball touches the strings and across the body only when both hands are at shoulder level. Only at this height the left hand does not block the movement of the right hand.
 

spaceman_spiff

Hall of Fame
Do you really think that this player cant move ?

I beat him 2 times and 2 times I lost.

I think that guy’s forehand is better than yours, and he would be a worse player if he switched to a 2-handed forehand. It’s just like your opponent in the first video you posted in this thread, who also had a better forehand than you. That guy had a weak 2-handed backhand, which gives me no reason to think that he would be able to hit a strong 2-handed forehand.

I’m not sure what you think you’re accomplishing when you keep posting videos of opponents who have better forehands than you and would obviously be weaker players if they switched to 2 hands.
 

grzewas

Semi-Pro
I think that guy’s forehand is better than yours, and he would be a worse player if he switched to a 2-handed forehand. It’s just like your opponent in the first video you posted in this thread, who also had a better forehand than you. That guy had a weak 2-handed backhand, which gives me no reason to think that he would be able to hit a strong 2-handed forehand.

I’m not sure what you think you’re accomplishing when you keep posting videos of opponents who have better forehands than you and would obviously be weaker players if they switched to 2 hands.
It was one of the worst matches I played during last 4 years because it was extremely hot. Because of danger of overheating I couldnt move too fast. I tried to survive without sunstroke. His forehand is really good. He can hit the ball even when it is above his head. I wrote many times that there were positions when one handed forehand was better and should be used and situations when two handed forehand was much better. You can prepare the stroke much faster using two handed forehand. That is why it is usually better inside the court. You can play greater angles too. Drive volley is also easier. You can easily return fast serves if the ball is within the reach of two handed forehand. Each player should be able to use both techniques and choose that which is better in a given situation. You are not a complete tennis player if you cannot use a two-handed forehand. It is as if you couldnt play slice on the backhand side. The reason why best players dont use two handed forehand is simple. Those who taught them to play tennis couldnt use two handed forehand. They couldnt teach them.
 
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blablavla

G.O.A.T.
It was one of the worst matches I played during last 4 years because it was extremely hot. Because of danger of overheating I couldnt move too fast. I tried to survive without sunstroke. His forehand is really good. He can hit the ball even when it is above his head. I wrote many times that there were positions when one handed forehand was better and should be used and situations when two handed forehand was much better. You can prepare the stroke much faster using two handed forehand. That is why it is usually better inside the court. You can play greater angles too. Drive volley is also easier. You can easily return fast serves if the ball is within the reach of two handed forehand. Each player should be able to use both techniques and choose that which is better in a given situation. You are not a complete tennis player if you cannot use a two-handed forehand. It is as if you couldnt play slice on the backhand side. The reason why best players dont use two handed forehand is simple. Those who taught them to play tennis couldnt use two handed forehand. They couldnt teach them.

sorry Greg, I don't buy this.
In plenty of your videos your FH looks better than in this match.
But your BH is as good as usual.

Which means, that either:
- you made a wrong decision to play badminton / moonball from your FH wing, in an attempt to exhaust your opponent
- or your opponent FH pushed you to badminton / moonball from your FH wing, due to great difference in the shots level

as I wrote a bit higher, if the highlights are representative of what happened->
on the BH side, you guys are quite even. you lose points, you win points.
on the FH, there is a clear domination of your opponent, and when he has a choice, he consciously goes after your FH, which means that in his opinion your FH is your weakness, and on this occasion he was right as he won in 2 sets.

if heat was the main thing, why didn't you moonball from BH? why you were so competitive in the exchanges from BH corner to BH corner?
 
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