Two Handed Forehand !!!

[sredna42]

Look if it works for you, fair enough but there is nothing superior about the two handed forehand over the one handed forehand. Since the forehand is generally the stronger shot, there is little point in most players trying it.

Oh and I have to question one of grzewas's claims. He says that in the two handed forehand, the dominant arm of the player is the dominant arm in the stroke. I am right handed and play a double handed backhand. My double hander is very left arm dominant, I can just about hit a one handed left arm forehand. This isn't unusual, different players hit the stroke in different ways. So either or neither arms can be dominant.

Just because grzewas hits a shot in a certain way, doesn't mean everybody else does it that way or his way is the correct way to do it.

This. I like watching his shenanigans, because I like seeing people approach tennis in different ways. It is why the Tennis Troll channel is so good too.
But even if it works for Gary Zircon, it doesn't mean it will work for anyone else.
everybody's physiology is slightly different, and what comes naturally for one will feel alien to another.

 

[sredna42]

 

[spaceman_spiff]

It was one of the worst matches I played during last 4 years because it was extremely hot. Because of danger of overheating I couldnt move too fast. I tried to survive without sunstroke. His forehand is really good. He can hit the ball even when it is above his head. I wrote many times that there were positions when one handed forehand was better and should be used and situations when two handed forehand was much better. You can prepare the stroke much faster using two handed forehand. That is why it is usually better inside the court. You can play greater angles too. Drive volley is also easier. You can easily return fast serves if the ball is within the reach of two handed forehand. Each player should be able to use both techniques and choose that which is better in a given situation. You are not a complete tennis player if you cannot use a two-handed forehand. It is as if you couldnt play slice on the backhand side. The reason why best players dont use two handed forehand is simple. Those who taught them to play tennis couldnt use two handed forehand. They couldnt teach them.

I’m not talking about just this match. Your opponent’s forehand is better than what I’ve seen of your forehand in all of your videos, just like your opponent in the video on Page 1. It is his best shot, and he uses it to dominate points. If he were to switch to a 2-handed swing, then he would be a worse player.

Claiming that people aren’t complete players without learning to hit 2-handed forehands is like claiming they’re not complete players unless they learn to hit serves, volleys, and ground strokes with their weak hand. I could say that you’re not a complete player because you can’t hit a 1-handed backhand with your left hand. But in reality, it’s just nonsense that you’re making up in an attempt to make yourself feel superior.

I’ve never seen a fully 2-handed player whose forehand is significantly stronger than his backhand. Often, as in your case, it’s a bit weaker. Realistically, the best they can hope for is to be equal on both sides. However, I have seen plenty of players who are significantly stronger with the 1-handed forehand compared to the 2-handed backhand, including players with really solid backhands. Even Andre Agassi was better on the forehand side, and he had one of the best backhands in history.

Maybe, the reason you think a 1-handed forehand is inferior is because you weren’t taught how to do it properly.

 

[zaph]

I’m not talking about just this match. Your opponent’s forehand is better than what I’ve seen of your forehand in all of your videos, just like your opponent in the video on Page 1. It is his best shot, and he uses it to dominate points. If he were to switch to a 2-handed swing, then he would be a worse player.

Claiming that people aren’t complete players without learning to hit 2-handed forehands is like claiming they’re not complete players unless they learn to hit serves, volleys, and ground strokes with their weak hand. I could say that you’re not a complete player because you can’t hit a 1-handed backhand with your left hand. But in reality, it’s just nonsense that you’re making up in an attempt to make yourself feel superior.

I’ve never seen a fully 2-handed player whose forehand is significantly stronger than his backhand. Often, as in your case, it’s a bit weaker. Realistically, the best they can hope for is to be equal on both sides. However, I have seen plenty of players who are significantly stronger with the 1-handed forehand compared to the 2-handed backhand, including players with really solid backhands. Even Andre Agassi was better on the forehand side, and he had one of the best backhands in history.

Maybe, the reason you think a 1-handed forehand is inferior is because you weren’t taught how to do it properly.

The other issue he doesn't mention, is that people can ruin their game by attempting to master multiple techniques. The most obvious example is the serve, with many player's constantly tinkering trying to achieve the elusive big serve most of us want. With the result they end up with muscle memory from many different service techniques and a complete mess.

I switched from the one handed to the two handed backhand, maybe there would be situations in which a one handed shot would be better but if I attempted to switch between the two, I would probably lose the timing on both shots. So it is just more sensible for me to stick with one stroke type and try and grove that.

The pros are the best players on the planet and if anyone has the technical ability to switch between one and two handed grips, they do. Yet they don't do that and matches at the level they play at are won on incredibly fine margins. If using both grips is such an advantage, why do pro players stick with either a one or a two handed shot, instead of using both in matches?

 

[blablavla]

The other issue he doesn't mention, is that people can ruin their game by attempting to master multiple techniques. The most obvious example is the serve, with many player's constantly tinkering trying to achieve the elusive big serve most of us want. With the result they end up with muscle memory from many different service techniques and a complete mess.

I switched from the one handed to the two handed backhand, maybe there would be situations in which a one handed shot would be better but if I attempted to switch between the two, I would probably lose the timing on both shots. So it is just more sensible for me to stick with one stroke type and try and grove that.

The pros are the best players on the planet and if anyone has the technical ability to switch between one and two handed grips, they do. Yet they don't do that and matches at the level they play at are won on incredibly fine margins. If using both grips is such an advantage, why do pro players stick with either a one or a two handed shot, instead of using both in matches?

because on average the 1 handed forehand will dominate the game.
but then of course there are exceptions, for example, but not limited:
- if a player had a bad injury
- if a player lacks strength, which I think was the case for Santoro learning 2 handed shots on both wings
- if there is a technical problem with the 1 handed forehand that can't be solved otherwise, and the player tries 2 handed forehand which in particular case yields in a stronger FH side, but this is of course compared to the weak original FH

in such situations, tennis community should encourage folks to try something different, for example 2 handed forehand

 

[grzewas]

The other issue he doesn't mention, is that people can ruin their game by attempting to master multiple techniques. The most obvious example is the serve, with many player's constantly tinkering trying to achieve the elusive big serve most of us want. With the result they end up with muscle memory from many different service techniques and a complete mess.

I switched from the one handed to the two handed backhand, maybe there would be situations in which a one handed shot would be better but if I attempted to switch between the two, I would probably lose the timing on both shots. So it is just more sensible for me to stick with one stroke type and try and grove that.

The pros are the best players on the planet and if anyone has the technical ability to switch between one and two handed grips, they do. Yet they don't do that and matches at the level they play at are won on incredibly fine margins. If using both grips is such an advantage, why do pro players stick with either a one or a two handed shot, instead of using both in matches?

I agree that using two different techniques may be difficult but two handed forehand and one handed forehand are very similar. Grip of right hand is the same. You only have to add second hand. Each two handed player uses one handed forehand if the ball is far from him so it is easy. The only difference between one handed and two handed player is that the second have a choice when the ball is near his body. It is obvious that if Djokovic could use two handed forehand he would be much better player(of course if he still could use his current technique).

 

[grzewas]

I’m not talking about just this match. Your opponent’s forehand is better than what I’ve seen of your forehand in all of your videos, just like your opponent in the video on Page 1. It is his best shot, and he uses it to dominate points. If he were to switch to a 2-handed swing, then he would be a worse player.

Claiming that people aren’t complete players without learning to hit 2-handed forehands is like claiming they’re not complete players unless they learn to hit serves, volleys, and ground strokes with their weak hand. I could say that you’re not a complete player because you can’t hit a 1-handed backhand with your left hand. But in reality, it’s just nonsense that you’re making up in an attempt to make yourself feel superior.

I’ve never seen a fully 2-handed player whose forehand is significantly stronger than his backhand. Often, as in your case, it’s a bit weaker. Realistically, the best they can hope for is to be equal on both sides. However, I have seen plenty of players who are significantly stronger with the 1-handed forehand compared to the 2-handed backhand, including players with really solid backhands. Even Andre Agassi was better on the forehand side, and he had one of the best backhands in history.

Maybe, the reason you think a 1-handed forehand is inferior is because you weren’t taught how to do it properly.

Where did I say that one handed forehand if inferior ? It is inferior in some situations on the court. That is why two handed player sometimes uses one handed forehand. But I dont know any two handed player who would use one handed forehand if the ball is within the reach of two handed. Especially inside the court. Could you tell me why he chooses two handed forehand then ? When you compare the best one handed forehands and two handed forehands in most cases you compare strong players and weak players. Most players using in professional tennis two handed forehand are those who were too weak to use one hand when they were children. That is why they needed two hands. Strong children were taught one handed forehand. And those weak children (Seles, Peng, Bartoli, Hsieh Su Wei) won grand slams in singles and in doubles. If you want to see what is the real power of two handed forehand watch this video.

 

[travlerajm]

Thfh has more potential to generate angular momentum than thbh.

I think the opposite is true. A 2hb has much longer racquet lever length than a cross-handed shot. The longer the racquet lever arm, the larger the contribution of angular momentum to the power of the shot. With shorter lever arm, weight transfer of the body’s center of mass (linear momentum) becomes more important. This becomes obvious whenever I experiment with different racquet lengths on my 2hb.

 

[zaph]

I agree that using two different techniques may be difficult but two handed forehand and one handed forehand are very similar. Grip of right hand is the same. You only have to add second hand. Each two handed player uses one handed forehand if the ball is far from him so it is easy. The only difference between one handed and two handed player is that the second have a choice when the ball is near his body. It is obvious that if Djokovic could use two handed forehand he would be much better player(of course if he still could use his current technique).

I will assume you're taking the **** with your Djokovic remark because you're hardly in a position to claim the number one player in the world would be much better if he followed your advice.

As for your claim about the one handed and two handed forehand being basically the same and easy to switch between, I disagree. For a start, which one handed forehand are you talking about? You might be right with an old school continental grip forehand but what about players who use the semi or full western grips?

I hit an extreme western forehand, basically I hold the racket like a frying pan. I just tried to shadow a two handed shot with that grip and I couldn't get it to work. I am not sure what shot would result but I am not convinced it would be going over the net. There is noway I could switch to a two handed grip without heavily modifying my forehand.

 

[grzewas]

This. I like watching his shenanigans, because I like seeing people approach tennis in different ways. It is why the Tennis Troll channel is so good too.
But even if it works for Gary Zircon, it doesn't mean it will work for anyone else.
everybody's physiology is slightly different, and what comes naturally for one will feel alien to another.

Usually players using two handed forehand are those who were not or are not strong. That is why they use this technique in situations in which strong player would use one handed forehand. I am the best example. Because of my injured right wrist I am forced to play two handed forehand even when the ball is far from me. Strong player would use two handed forehand only inside the court and when he doesnt have time for preparing one handed stroke. If in the future there is a tennis player as strong as Nadal, Djokovic, and Federer and additionally he will be able to use two handed forehand when it is better than one handed he will be unbeaten.

 

[zaph]

Where did I say that one handed forehand if inferior ? It is inferior in some situations on the court. That is why two handed player sometimes uses one handed forehand. But I dont know any two handed player who would use one handed forehand if the ball is within the reach of two handed. Especially inside the court. Could you tell me why he chooses two handed forehand then ? When you compare the best one handed forehands and two handed forehands in most cases you compare strong players and weak players. Most players using in professional tennis two handed forehand are those who were too weak to use one hand when they were children. That is why they needed two hands. Strong children were taught one handed forehand. And those weak children (Seles, Peng, Bartoli, Hsieh Su Wei) won grand slams in singles and in doubles. If you want to see what is the real power of two handed forehand watch this video.

Your keep going on about strength, as if it takes exceptional strength to hit the one handed shot. I am one the lightest and weakest players at my club, I am certainly not capable of muscling the ball or using a technique that requires exceptional strength.

Yet I can hit the one handed reliably and I can also hit a pretty decent amount of pace and spin if I really want to. So were are you getting this idea that you have to be strong to hit a one handed forehand?

 

[grzewas]

I will assume you're taking the **** with your Djokovic remark because you're hardly in a position to claim the number one player in the world would be much better if he followed your advice.

As for your claim about the one handed and two handed forehand being basically the same and easy to switch between, I disagree. For a start, which one handed forehand are you talking about? You might be right with an old school continental grip forehand but what about players who use the semi or full western grips?

I hit an extreme western forehand, basically I hold the racket like a frying pan. I just tried to shadow a two handed shot with that grip and I couldn't get it to work. I am not sure what shot would result but I am not convinced it would be going over the net. There is noway I could switch to a two handed grip without heavily modifying my forehand.

I use grip between western and semi western in two handed forehand.

 

[oserver]

I think the opposite is true. A 2hb has much longer racquet lever length than a cross-handed shot. The longer the racquet lever arm, the larger the contribution of angular momentum to the power of the shot. With shorter lever arm, weight transfer of the body’s center of mass (linear momentum) becomes more important. This becomes obvious whenever I experiment with different racquet lengths on my 2hb.

I think you just considered one dimension - the leverage about length of arm+racket. Another dimension is the range of shoulder rotation, a bigger factor in generating more pace and spin.

Another thing, have you tried it to know what is the real differences? If you do, care to post a video?

 

[grzewas]

Your keep going on about strength, as if it takes exceptional strength to hit the one handed shot. I am one the lightest and weakest players at my club, I am certainly not capable of muscling the ball or using a technique that requires exceptional strength.

Yet I can hit the one handed reliably and I can also hit a pretty decent amount of pace and spin if I really want to. So were are you getting this idea that you have to be strong to hit a one handed forehand?

Show us how you play. I dont believe that you are weak and you can hit fast balls with control.

 

[Slowtwitcher]

@oserver and @grzewas together on the same thread is like a dream come true for me

 

[oserver]

@grzewas and @oserver - will not be changing to 2hfh but thanks for the offers of advice. Will however have another try to see if I can recreate those couple of balls that I hit this weekend. Would video but my phone is rubbish and makes look left handed!

Don't be discouraged? Any successful endeavor is a result of numerous failures
Two sided forehand in action -

 

[spaceman_spiff]

Where did I say that one handed forehand if inferior ? It is inferior in some situations on the court. That is why two handed player sometimes uses one handed forehand. But I dont know any two handed player who would use one handed forehand if the ball is within the reach of two handed. Especially inside the court. Could you tell me why he chooses two handed forehand then ? When you compare the best one handed forehands and two handed forehands in most cases you compare strong players and weak players. Most players using in professional tennis two handed forehand are those who were too weak to use one hand when they were children. That is why they needed two hands. Strong children were taught one handed forehand. And those weak children (Seles, Peng, Bartoli, Hsieh Su Wei) won grand slams in singles and in doubles. If you want to see what is the real power of two handed forehand watch this video.

In the very first post in this thread, you said that most amateur players are too weak to hit 1-handed forehands without making a lot of errors and that 2-handed forehands are more stable.

From what I’ve seen, most amateur players are better at hitting 1-handed forehands than they are hitting 2-handed backhands. And since it’s very rare to see someone with a 2-handed forehand that is stronger than his/her 2-handed backhand, I disagree with your conclusion that most would be better using 2 hands on both sides.

BTW, you claim that 2-handed forehands are better inside the court. But in this video, Hradecka tends to use 1 hand whenever she moves in on a short ball.

 

[grzewas]

In the very first post in this thread, you said that most amateur players are too weak to hit 1-handed forehands without making a lot of errors and that 2-handed forehands are more stable.

From what I’ve seen, most amateur players are better at hitting 1-handed forehands than they are hitting 2-handed backhands. And since it’s very rare to see someone with a 2-handed forehand that is stronger than his/her 2-handed backhand, I disagree with your conclusion that most would be better using 2 hands on both sides.

BTW, you claim that 2-handed forehands are better inside the court. But in this video, Hradecka tends to use 1 hand whenever she moves in on a short ball.

The ball was inside the court but she was on the line. She is not a good runner so she was not in the right place to use two handed forehand.
Two handed forehand is not two handed backhand played from right side. It is much simpler stroke. You have much better control.

 

[spaceman_spiff]

The ball was inside the court but she was on the line. She is not a good runner so she was not in the right place to use two handed forehand.
Two handed forehand is not two handed backhand played from right side. It is much simpler stroke. You have much better control.

I’ve played against a few players who use 2 hands on both sides, and from what I’ve seen, they are slightly better on the backhand side because they are able to swing a little more freely. That’s also why your backhand is better than your forehand.

Hradecka is the only pro or amateur player that I’ve seen who hits better with 2 hands on the forehand than on the backhand. But even with her, there isn’t a huge difference.

I don’t see any reason to think that most people would be able to hit 2-handed forehands significantly better than they hit 2-handed backhands. And given how many people I see with bad 2-handed backhands, I don’t think they would be better off switching to a forehand that is just as bad.

I think you need to go back through your match videos and pay close attention to the opponents who have 2-handed backhands. You’ll find that most of them are significantly stronger on the forehand side, despite using only 1 hand. You tend to beat them by avoiding their forehands, and the ones who beat you do so by avoiding your backhand.

 

[grzewas]

I’ve played against a few players who use 2 hands on both sides, and from what I’ve seen, they are slightly better on the backhand side because they are able to swing a little more freely. That’s also why your backhand is better than your forehand.

Hradecka is the only pro or amateur player that I’ve seen who hits better with 2 hands on the forehand than on the backhand. But even with her, there isn’t a huge difference.

I don’t see any reason to think that most people would be able to hit 2-handed forehands significantly better than they hit 2-handed backhands. And given how many people I see with bad 2-handed backhands, I don’t think they would be better off switching to a forehand that is just as bad.

I think you need to go back through your match videos and pay close attention to the opponents who have 2-handed backhands. You’ll find that most of them are significantly stronger on the forehand side, despite using only 1 hand. You tend to beat them by avoiding their forehands, and the ones who beat you do so by avoiding your backhand.

My right wrist is injured. It is the only reason why sometimes my forehand is not as good as it should. Particularly when I am not in a good position. You should add at least 30% of speed to my forehands if my wrist was not injured. It would be a great weapon.

In two handed forehand right arm works the same as in one handed forehand and that is the reason why two handed forehand is easy to learn. You should only know what to do with left arm so that it didnt blocked the movement of right hand.

 

[Slowtwitcher]

My right wrist is injured. It is the only reason why sometimes my forehand is not as good as it should. Particularly when I am not in a good position. You should add at least 30% of speed to my forehands if my wrist was not injured. It would be a great weapon.

In two handed forehand right arm works the same as in one handed forehand and that is the reason why two handed forehand is easy to learn. You should only know what to do with left arm so that it didnt blocked the movement of right hand.

I know of a great physiotherapist in Poland. Want his contact?

 

[grzewas]

I know of a great physiotherapist in Poland. Want his contact?

I injured right wrist 18 years ago and only surgery maybe could help. For 9 years I have been conducting a case in court against 3 orthopedists who caused my mother's death so I better not have any contact with them. By the way, I accused 7 court experts. Also orthopedists.

 

[grzewas]

Great improvement in my two handed forehand today. I tried to keep elbows farther from my body. I concentrated on right elbow and often forgot about left elbow which blocked right hand. I'll be working on my left elbow tomorrow.

 

[zaph]

Show us how you play. I dont believe that you are weak and you can hit fast balls with control.

You don't need exceptional strength to hit a one handed forehand. That sounds like you're looking for an excuse for why you struggle with the shot.

I could hit the forehand hard when I was 12 and I was hardly big and strong back then. I don't know what to tell you, I have always had natural power on that wing and it has nothing to do with my size.

 

[travlerajm]

Great improvement in my two handed forehand today. I tried to keep elbows farther from my body. I concentrated on right elbow and often forgot about left elbow which blocked right hand. I'll be working on my left elbow tomorrow.

Nice penetration. It looks like you have good control on those.

 

[grzewas]

You don't need exceptional strength to hit a one handed forehand. That sounds like you're looking for an excuse for why you struggle with the shot.

I could hit the forehand hard when I was 12 and I was hardly big and strong back then. I don't know what to tell you, I have always had natural power on that wing and it has nothing to do with my size.

Still we dont see your forehand.
Particularly during a match two handed forehand is much more stable and precise. When you are inside the court you can hide the direction of your shot to the last second.

 

[grzewas]

Nice penetration. It looks like you have good control on those.

From Thursday I am starting to play in the Łódź championships in the +50 category. Łódź is one of the largest cities in Poland. This year I choose only tournaments where I can lose.
Today I am going to fight with my left elbow. It should go up and to the left much earlier to give space for movement of right hand. Only then the head of the racket can go behind my left shoulder. Theoretically it is simple but I dont know if it will work.

 

[zaph]

Still we dont see your forehand.
Particularly during a match two handed forehand is much more stable and precise. When you are inside the court you can hide the direction of your shot to the last second.

Yes but we weren't discussing disguise, we were discussing your claim you need exceptional strength and power to hit a one handed forehand.

You make these sweeping statements claiming that the two handed forehand is much more stable and precise; as if this is a universal truth. I would never claim to be a good player but my forehand is a shot I haven't change since I first picked up a racket. It is a shot I don't even have to think about and I have no problem hitting anywhere I want. I also have high shot tolerance on that side, higher than with my two handed backhand, which I learnt later in life.

 

[grzewas]

Yes but we weren't discussing disguise, we were discussing your claim you need exceptional strength and power to hit a one handed forehand.

You make these sweeping statements claiming that the two handed forehand is much more stable and precise; as if this is a universal truth. I would never claim to be a good player but my forehand is a shot I haven't change since I first picked up a racket. It is a shot I don't even have to think about and I have no problem hitting anywhere I want. I also have high shot tolerance on that side, higher than with my two handed backhand, which I learnt later in life.

You can see that even Federer tried to learn two handed forehand but nobody could teach him.

 

[blablavla]

You can see that even Federer tried to learn two handed forehand but nobody could teach him.

I thought the thread was about 2 handed forehand, that is allegedly a superior choice for old amateurs
How did we get from there to:
1. backhand
2. top pro
3. in one of previous posts Greg said that top pros have so much strength that they don't need technique. Is Greg contradicting himself now?

here is the quote to Greg's claim about pros not needing technique cause they are stronk

I think that we all agree that we established that there was no problem in my two handed backhand. It is for sure the best two handed backhand in Poland in +55 and +60 categories. Technically this backhand should be standard in amateur tennis and in older categories. It is a great pathology to try to copy backhand of the best professionals who dont have to have good technique because they are very strong. They can shorten their strokes to save time. Primitive stiff backhands of Nadal or Djokovic dont work in amateur tennis.

 

[grzewas]

I thought the thread was about 2 handed forehand, that is allegedly a superior choice for old amateurs
How did we get from there to:
1. backhand
2. top pro
3. in one of previous posts Greg said that top pros have so much strength that they don't need technique. Is Greg contradicting himself now?

here is the quote to Greg's claim about pros not needing technique cause they are stronk

Thousands of players try to copy technique of Nadal and none of them achieved anything in tennis because it is bad technique. Thousands try to copy primitive stiff backhand of Djokovic and we cant see them winning tournaments.
In tennis most important is 15 cm before the ball touches the strings and 15 cm after the ball left the strings. You all talk about what you should do before or after these 30 cm.

 

[zaph]

I thought the thread was about 2 handed forehand, that is allegedly a superior choice for old amateurs
How did we get from there to:
1. backhand
2. top pro
3. in one of previous posts Greg said that top pros have so much strength that they don't need technique. Is Greg contradicting himself now?

here is the quote to Greg's claim about pros not needing technique cause they are stronk

His problem is his claims about the two handed forehand are undermined by the fact virtually all the pros hit one handed forehands. So his next line of attack is the pros can only use the one handed shot because they are exceptionally strong. He also makes bizarre claims about top players having poor technique, which are frankly ridiculous.

When I say I can hit a steady and reasonably powerful one handed forehand without being an exceptional athlete, he demands to see the proof, like I was claiming I could hit a 140mph serve.

The reality is the proof is at pretty much any tennis club. There are plenty of players who can hit good one handed forehands. Some of these players are exceptional athletes or having superior strength. Most don't. There is a 5' 2" women, who I doubt weighs more than 100 pounds, who has a good one handed shot one my club. Is grzewas going to claim she has the same strength as a top pro?

I don't understand his mentally. Sure the two handed shot might be a better choice from some players but he seems to be desperate to prove that the one handed shot is inferior, when it isn't.

 

[zaph]

Thousands of players try to copy technique of Nadal and none of them achieved anything in tennis because it is bad technique. Thousands try to copy primitive stiff backhand of Djokovic and we cant see them winning tournaments.
In tennis most important is 15 cm before the ball touches the strings and 15 cm after the ball left the strings. You all talk about what you should do before or after these 30 cm.

What? You're claiming that Djokovic and Nadal have bad technique? I am sorry but that is utter non-sense.

 

[spaceman_spiff]

My right wrist is injured. It is the only reason why sometimes my forehand is not as good as it should. Particularly when I am not in a good position. You should add at least 30% of speed to my forehands if my wrist was not injured. It would be a great weapon.

In two handed forehand right arm works the same as in one handed forehand and that is the reason why two handed forehand is easy to learn. You should only know what to do with left arm so that it didnt blocked the movement of right hand.

And what’s your excuse for the players I have faced and the professionals that I have seen on TV. As I said before, Hradecka is the only 2-handed player I’ve seen whose forehand is better than her backhand. For everyone else, the forehand is the same or worse than the backhand. But with players who use 1-handed forehands and 2-handed backhands, it is very common for their forehands to be much better. That’s why I don’t think most players would benefit from hitting 2-handed forehands.

The fact that you constantly obsess about strength tells me that you don’t understand how to hit a 1-handed forehand properly. People who consistently hit powerful forehands do so by bending their knees and turning their shoulders. They generate power by uncoiling their body, which allows them to use their arm to direct the ball. People who make a lot of mistakes with their forehand do so because they try to use their arm to generate power.

The fact that you think power comes from strength explains why you draw bad conclusions. You clearly don’t understand he problem.

 

[blablavla]

Thousands of players try to copy technique of Nadal and none of them achieved anything in tennis because it is bad technique. Thousands try to copy primitive stiff backhand of Djokovic and we cant see them winning tournaments.
In tennis most important is 15 cm before the ball touches the strings and 15 cm after the ball left the strings. You all talk about what you should do before or after these 30 cm.

dude, backhand is a difficult shot.
thousands of players simply have poor backhands, doesn't matter if it is a one handed backhand or double handed backhand.

in fact some pro players have a huge discrepancy between their forehand and backhand, consequently the larger public says that they have weak backhands.

but this doesn't mean that double handed backhand is the solution. it isn't.
every shot has it's advantages and disadvantages.
and one handed forehand works better on average for everyone, from weak amateurs to the stronk pro players.
as I told you earlier, for those exceptions, that for one reason or another can't hit reliably a top spin forehand using only the dominant hand, the tennis community should welcome alternatives.
but please, stop spreading this bs that every amateur would be better by playing double handed forehand.
in the videos you post, the matches you lost, you lose them because old amateurs with one handed forehand crush your double handed forehand.
the sooner you will check your videos the sooner you will open up your mind to find alternatives to this unfortunate situation.

perhaps you need to learn forehand slice?
I heard that the older a person gets, the more difficult it is to handle the slice, cause a good slice will stay low, which requires to bend the knees, while your loopy weak two handed forehands land in the strike zone and you know the outcome.

 

[grzewas]

What? You're claiming that Djokovic and Nadal have bad technique? I am sorry but that is utter non-sense.

Primitive stiff backhand of Djokovic was discussed in this thread What is the problem with my two handed backhand ? I dont want to repeat arguments. It works for him because he is very strong.

 

[blablavla]

Primitive stiff backhand of Djokovic was discussed in this thread What is the problem with my two handed backhand ? I dont want to repeat arguments. It works for him because he is very strong.

no Greg, it wasn't discussed and it wasn't agreed.
it was your statement, and nobody agreed your point of view.

 

[grzewas]

no Greg, it wasn't discussed and it wasn't agreed.
it was your statement, and nobody agreed your point of view.

What my lost matches were you talking about ? I have won 25 tournaments on national level and in 10 I was in the final during last 4 years. Two times I was the runner-up in Polish Championships. For 4 years I was betwen 2-4 in Polish ranking in my category. For some time I was even #2 in +50 category. It is my last year in +55 category and I test the best players to get used to play at the highest level because next year I am going to be in top 50 in ITF ranking. I record matches to choose the best tactics in the future playing against the best players.

5 years ago, a year before I entered competition in +55 category, I played in open category in tournaments in a near city to prepare to next year tournaments.

 

[grzewas]

And what’s your excuse for the players I have faced and the professionals that I have seen on TV. As I said before, Hradecka is the only 2-handed player I’ve seen whose forehand is better than her backhand. For everyone else, the forehand is the same or worse than the backhand. But with players who use 1-handed forehands and 2-handed backhands, it is very common for their forehands to be much better. That’s why I don’t think most players would benefit from hitting 2-handed forehands.

The fact that you constantly obsess about strength tells me that you don’t understand how to hit a 1-handed forehand properly. People who consistently hit powerful forehands do so by bending their knees and turning their shoulders. They generate power by uncoiling their body, which allows them to use their arm to direct the ball. People who make a lot of mistakes with their forehand do so because they try to use their arm to generate power.

The fact that you think power comes from strength explains why you draw bad conclusions. You clearly don’t understand he problem.

If Monica Seles had not been stabbed on the court and had won another 10 grand slams, now half the professional women players would have used a two-handed forehand.

 

[zaph]

If Monica Seles had not been stabbed on the court and had won another 10 grand slams, now half the professional women players would have used a two-handed forehand.

Yeah but that didn't happen and virtually all the pros hit one handed shots. Oh I forgot, all the pros have terrible technique, according to you

 

[grzewas]

Yeah but that didn't happen and virtually all the pros hit one handed shots. Oh I forgot, all the pros have terrible technique, according to you

Most top professional players were taught to play tennis over 20 years ago. We cant say they play modern tennis.

 

[blablavla]

Most top professional players were taught to play tennis over 20 years ago. We cant say they play modern tennis.

 

[spaceman_spiff]

If Monica Seles had not been stabbed on the court and had won another 10 grand slams, now half the professional women players would have used a two-handed forehand.

If 2-handed shots were clearly superior, then the success that Seles did have would have been enough to change people’s minds.

But you still didn’t answer my question. What is your explanation for the fact that pretty much all 2-handed players except Hradecka are no better on the forehand than the backhand? That includes Seles.

 

[grzewas]

If 2-handed shots were clearly superior, then the success that Seles did have would have been enough to change people’s minds.

But you still didn’t answer my question. What is your explanation for the fact that pretty much all 2-handed players except Hradecka are no better on the forehand than the backhand? That includes Seles.

It is simple. Most players using two handed forehand were very weak when they were children. In two handed forehand mostly one hand is active(right) and in two handed backhand two hands are active. You see that Hradecka who is strong has powerful two handed forehand. We could only imagine how fast Nadal or Federer would hit the ball if they used two handed forehand.
To change technique of playing tennis in the whole world one Seles is not enough. What is equally important. I wouldnt advise to learn her forehand. There are much better two handed forehands (Peng, Hradecka, Bartoli).

 

[blablavla]

It is simple. Most players using two handed forehand were very weak when they were children. In two handed forehand mostly one hand is active(right) and in two handed backhand two hands are active. You see that Hradecka who is strong has powerful two handed forehand. We could only imagine how fast Nadal or Federer would hit the ball if they used two handed forehand.

there is nothing to guess here.
1 handed FH side generate highest pace AND highest spin when compared to both: 1 handed backhand and 2 handed backhand

If in the BH both hands are active, while in the FH only one hand is active, what would be the benefit of switching from a potent 1 handed forehand to 2 handed forehand?
how do you want to get faster swing if double handed swing is limited by the very nature of its reach?

 

[Brian11785]

I applaud you for posting your actual matchplay. You're obviously a good player. But I see nothing in here that suggests the two-handed forehand is a mechanically superior shot to a one-hander. (I say that as someone who hits a two-handed forehand....I'll post video at some point.) What I do see is that you have a very reliable shot. It might be true that a lot of rec players' results would improve if they converted to something as reliable, whether that be a two-hander or not.

That's a Pure Drive, right? I'm curious how your technique would evolve with a racquet that wasn't supplying all that easy power....I hate stiff frames and love the fact that I can swing heavier racquets with two-handed shots. The VCore Duel G 330 is a beast on groundstrokes, if one can swing it. I see a lot of veeeeerry compact bunting in the video.....which you wouldn't get away with using a more traditional frame.

Great improvement in my two handed forehand today. I tried to keep elbows farther from my body. I concentrated on right elbow and often forgot about left elbow which blocked right hand. I'll be working on my left elbow tomorrow.

 

[grzewas]

I applaud you for posting your actual matchplay. You're obviously a good player. But I see nothing in here that suggests the two-handed forehand is a mechanically superior shot to a one-hander. (I say that as someone who hits a two-handed forehand....I'll post video at some point.) What I do see is that you have a very reliable shot. It might be true that a lot of rec players' results would improve if they converted to something as reliable, whether that be a two-hander or not.

That's a Pure Drive, right? I'm curious how your technique would evolve with a racquet that wasn't supplying all that easy power....I hate stiff frames and love the fact that I can swing heavier racquets with two-handed shots. The VCore Duel G 330 is a beast on groundstrokes, if one can swing it.

It is Pure Drive Roddick +. Usually I use Babolat Pure Aero but in Poland in most tournaments they forced us to play using Tretorn Control. I have an injured right wrist and these "stones" (you cant even call them balls) are destroying my wrist. I have to use Pure Drive to soften the impact. Unfortunately then I have problems to play passing shots or angles.

 

[grzewas]

there is nothing to guess here.
1 handed FH side generate highest pace AND highest spin when compared to both: 1 handed backhand and 2 handed backhand

If in the BH both hands are active, while in the FH only one hand is active, what would be the benefit of switching from a potent 1 handed forehand to 2 handed forehand?
how do you want to get faster swing if double handed swing is limited by the very nature of its reach?

Left hand is not completely passive. And in the first phase of the stroke it relieves the right hand and guides the racket precisely to the ball. There is almost no misshits.

 

[Brian11785]

It is Pure Drive Roddick +. Usually I use Babolat Pure Aero but in Poland in most tournaments they forced us to play using Tretorn Control. I have an injured right wrist and these "stones" (you cant even call them balls) are destroying my wrist. I have to use Pure Drive to soften the impact. Unfortunately then I have problems to play passing shots or angles.

Gotcha. I just find almost all Babolat racquets have no feel. Like playing with a board. What string do you use?

 

[blablavla]

Left hand is not completely passive. And in the first phase of the stroke it relieves the right hand and guides the racket precisely to the ball. There is almost no misshits.

that's a good answer, but not to my question / comment.
why don't you try again, this time explaining how a strong athlete, would manage to hit with more pace by switching from 1 handed forehand to a 2 handed forehand?