Two Jerks In One Day Is A Lot Of Jerks

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    My team is going to Districts next week; I have been injured; I needed to practice my serve today.

    I went to a neighborhood court. The posted rules are that anyone on the court must vacate on the hour, and the courts are for tennis only. I arrive at 12:52. I see a man and his dog on the court. I put my hopper and tennis bag near the fence and sit on the bench, watching. The man is hitting a tennis ball way up in the air with a racket; the dog fetches it.

    After a couple of minutes, I guess he could feel my death stare. He says, "This is the best way to tire [the dog] out!" I replied, "Yeah."

    One o'clock comes and goes. The man turns to me and says, "Are you waiting for the court?" I replied, "Yes, I'm going to practice my serve." The man says, "OK, just a few more minutes."

    The man and dog continue to play fetch, and I hear something behind me. It is a 12-year old boy and his father, I suppose. They have tennis rackets, and it looks like the dad has sent the boy up closer to claim the court, as the boy has an uncomfortable look on his face. The man with the dog see them and says, "Come on Ruby, there are tennis players who want to play." Man and dog leave.

    I pick up my hopper and bag, walk to the near baseline, and set up the hopper on the hash. I say to the dad, "Sorry, I've been waiting for the court." The dad says, "It's OK, you can serve and we'll stay out of your way. Go to the other side, Billy." The boy looks like he would like to be anywhere else and says, "There's no shade over there!"

    I hesitated and said, "You know, the high school has plenty of courts. And I am going to need to serve to both sides." The dad says, "Don't worry, I do this all the time. Just tell us when you want to switch."

    I stood there, trying to figure out how this is going to work. Meanwhile, the man and son started playing mini-tennis, with the dad at the deuce service line and the son opposite him. OK, how on earth am I supposed to serve with someone on the service line? What if I hit the kid in the face with an errant serve? How am I supposed to concentrate?

    I started picking up my stuff to leave. As I opened the gate, the dad said, "Hey, you don't need to leave! We won't be in your way." I said nothing and slammed the gate extra hard on my way out.

    I thought about making a stink, as this is a fight I could win if I wanted to. Heck, I could just serve one directly into the dad's back until he got the message. But I have adult children now, and they have told me many stories of times they were embarrassed or uncomfortable about some little thing that I thought nothing of at the time. This poor kid was being dragged to the courts on a boiling August day, and his dad is a bit of a jerk. If I have a confrontation with Jerk Dad, that just hurts the son.

    I practiced at the high school.
     
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    And they didn't just say ... "hey, we will return your serves while you practice?" That could have been an everyone wins situation .... too bad.

    Funny (well not really) that the man with the dog was willing to vacate for a man and his son quickly but not a woman and her hopper .... 'nuf said about that.
     
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    So why didn’t you just go to the High School in the first place?
     
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    'cause she shouldn't have to, it is her neighborhood court and the court has rules posted ...
     
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    Yeah, I understand that’s how is supposed to be, but that’s not how it is per-say.

    I’ve got neighborhood courts, with the same rule, but if your looking to practice your serve...how many in the neighborhood would understand this? I’m guess slim to none. Hit on the High School courts...save the drama, the death stare, and the leaving in a huff...it does no one any good anyway, and you just end up looking bad in front of your neighbors.

    I bet they thought the same thing about her being a jerk when she left in a huff. To what end?
     
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    I have offered to return serves many times and it has made me a great returner

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    I think I detect some misogyny in the OPs story. If it was a guy waiting on the court to practice serves, the dad would never have even suggested such a hairbrained plan as what occurred. But a woman’s claim on the court is not equal; and the dad just pushed his way in, probably trying to teach his son “how to be a man” and to “take what is yours” and “never take a back seat to a woman”. There is still a long way to go in this country.
     
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    Why didn’t you just go to the hisghschool courts to begin with?
     
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    Because these courts are closer. Because these courts have shade. Because I need an end Court, and the high school courts are in big long rows with no barriers in between so you sometimes get stuck in the middle. Because you have to park far from the courts at the high school and walk up a flight of stairs, which is difficult with a hopper, bag, and purse. Because the neighbourhood courts are first come first served, and *I was there first.*
     
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    There is no way this boy could have returned anyone's serve Suffice it to say he's not getting a tennis scholarship. And imagine the poor kids embarrassment at being forced to try.
     
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    I don’t mind sharing court if I’m hitting serves.
     
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    Rude inconsiderate people.

    A few weeks ago a similar thing happened to me. My friend and I were hitting and we took a water break. We sat down and two guys come up to us and asked if we were leaving. I said very clearly we weren't leaving.

    So they were standing and talking VERY LOUDLY by the bench on our court and wouldn't leave! We kept playing and they were laughing and telling jokes what I could hear clearly.

    I told them there were empty courts just a bit further away a few blocks down but they stayed.

    I wanted to tell them to get out of there but my friend told me it wasn't worth it. There were there literally for 30 minutes on our court, walking around on the side and talking. They did this by the way because all the other courts were taken. We would have left earlier but we didn't want to give them the satisfaction.
     
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    I'm still stuck on the first Dog part.

    All our courts here have big signs stating "No Dogs Allowed"

    And whenever I show up to a court with a dog and his owner disobeying the law they are very quick to leave knowing that they are in the wrong.

    There's also a county phone number on the bottom of the sign should there be an issue. You're actually supposed to report them. Nothing sucks more than going to retrieve a ball to serve and finding it up against some dog poo.

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    I've offered to return serves many times and it has made me a lousy returner. :(
     
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    There was a guy who used to walk his dog on the tennis courts not far from the courts I mentioned in post 14. It's not allowed. So one day one of the school officials caught him and took his name down. Never saw him on those courts since.

    I would be disgusted if I played on those courts and saw anything the dog left behind.
     
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  16. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    It's not just the dogs that leave things behind.
     
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  17. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    I'm not so sure; maybe the guy was just clueless and would have suggested it no matter who was waiting. Most casual players have no idea of etiquette.
     
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    Tennis courts aren’t good for dogs at all. The sand paper like surface will destroy their paws.
     
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  19. milk of amnesia

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    No, its straight up misogyny. A person doesn't need to know the fine details of tennis etiquette to know that walking on to a court that someone else is already waiting for is just plain rude. Then to ignore what Cindysphinx was telling him and insist that he and his son should be able to play there too. It's like the others said - that father just taught his son that it's acceptable to be an inconsiderate jerk to women.
     
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    So my dog and I were playing a fun game of catch on a local tennis court the other day, some weird tennis folk came along, you wouldn't believe the nonsense that followed........ sometimes I think people are followed by drama, or maybe they actively seek it out.

    My dog and I found a stick and a football pitch so all's good for us.

    Ps. I had left my bag of possessions on the bench but some weirdo came along and kicked off about that earlier in the day, something about it being a sitting bench!
     
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    courts I play at, that rules sign has bullet holes in it. two players waiting to play overrules one. whining is allowed, but ignored.
     
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    But is he? Maybe he'd do the same to a guy (or has done)? Maybe he's teaching equity.... In a roundabout way. Let's not jump.to conclusions about his feelings on gender
     
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  23. milk of amnesia

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    I wish I could say I was surprised that you are trying to defend this person and his actions.

    Men don't treat other men the way Cindysphinx described unless they are looking for a fight, because they know it's likely that a fight is exactly what they would get. Cowards like the one in the OP only treat people physically smaller than them that way, because they know the person (in this case a women who was alone) probably isn't going to argue/fight with them. I've seen it all too often on public courts where "men" push women off the courts. I've never seen an adult male push another man off a court.
     
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  24. Moveforwardalways

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    Bingo.
     
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  25. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    I've seen plenty of guys squabbling about courts too.
     
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    I hope at least it was a big dog like a German Shephard.

    Tell me you didn't let a pug and his owner hold the court over your tennis serve practicing.

    This post is really lame. Cindysphinx you need to grow a pair, lol

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    2 players always have precedence over 1 person. As stated in the rule, 1 person cannot hold a court over 2 players.

    It looks like they were doing you a favor by not exercising their right and kicking you off the court.

    They may not have been so kind to a man.
     
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    When they suggested "sharing the court," I assumed this meant they would go to the far end and hit off the wall.

    I still can't decide if the dad was just a clueless rookie or was deliberately trying to mess with me. I think a real player would have suggested I play Canadian against the two of them or something. Mini-tennis while someone is serving? Makes no sense.
     
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    If she was there first "players time shall be limited to no more than half an hour" 2 players an hour, and 4 players, doubles, one and a half hour.


    One can definitely practice their serve in peace and hold the court as long as they leave after a half hour.


    Sounds like Cindy was there before the father and son arrived.

    As for the dog, if it was me, I would have just set up shop and taken target practice if they refused to leave.
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  30. TenS_Ace

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    If you are serious about tennis, just join a private hoyty toytee club, you just book your time and you don't have to deal with rift-raff o_O And I find the tennis balls smell nicer ;)
     
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    You can still be found partially or fully liable for any injuries

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    I practice my serve and with my ball machine either on this court by my house nobody ever uses or at a place that has 8 courts that are never fully occupied. I’d never dream of practicing on busy courts, no matter what the stated rules say.

    That said, if someone is practicing, I’d just go to a different court.

    I’m always fascinated to see people decide what is “right” and then try to impose their views of what is right on others. And then get angry when others don’t subscribe to their version of “right”. I think people just seek conflict and look for chances to administer “justice” on others. It’s fascinating.
     
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    Lol, yea even if it is allowed it does seem douchey to go out with a hopper of balls and expect to take precedence over those playing singles.

    Seems worth the extra 5 minute drive to go to the not so nice courts. Usually I'll practice my serve on 20 year old courts that haven't been resurfaced. No one goes there to play anyway.

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    Men have been able to dominate women since the stone age due to their upper body strength-- women should be issued gun permits from birth and trained to use them properly from an early age--that's why they are called the "Great Equalizers". B.S. like the OP has described wouldn't occur if the perps knew she was packen' a little pink Derringer in her tennis back-pack or in one of those panty ball pockets.
     
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    Good points.
     
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    From your description it seem like he was clueless. I don't know why he wanted to mess with you with a kid around but who knows?
     
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    I used to practice my serve on janky courts with potholes on them and grass growing in clumps. This worked great because no one wanted to play on them.

    The county has refurbished all of these courts. All of the ones near me are playable and in good shape, so it isn't possible to find a janky one anymore.

    FWIW, there is actually a *posted rule* at the court saying that players under 16 years of age cannot use a court if adults are waiting on weekends. So it is quite questionable that this dad and son could kick me off even if there were a rule in our area suggesting solo players somehow have less right to a court than pairs or foursomes -- which there is not.

    I think the bias against younger players is insane, so I would never enforce that rule.
     
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    Rules say you must vacate "on the hour" that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

    Group A gets to the court at 3:50 , group B arrives at 3:55 and expects group A to vacate at 4:00 (ten minutes after they arrived) ?
     
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    Oh, it is absolutely stupid. The rule actually advises players not to start playing before the hour to avoid being kicked off.

    Had the Man With Dog not been on the court, I would have set up my hopper and sat on the bench for 8 minutes. Stupid.
     
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    What do you know about me to drive your lack of surprise??? I'd assume even less than you know about this guy who is allegedly so bad. All I'm saying is, introduce some balance to the argument. Maybe he is a horrible human being but maybe he treats everyone equally badly, maybe he just doesn't take tennis as seriously as others. is it reasonable to jump to a gender based conclusion based on yet another drama post about a guy who walks onto a court and encourages someone else to stay with them to make better use out of its capacity. But hey you're willing to judge my character so maybe it's reasonable in your mind.

    I also don't see where the OP mentioned his size so you're sort of embellishing the story to paint a picture of the big bad man. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he wasn't misogynistic, I'm just saying can you be sure he was, and I mean really sure???
     
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    The problem is right there in your own words: he walks on the court and THEN provides some kind of reasoning.

    You also don't know what I know so just trust me that there could be another angle to this.
     
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    When I was younger I could handle two jerks in a day. Now, just one.
     
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    Have you tried any herbal supplements?

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    My goodness we jumped to misogyny pretty fast. I’ll offer up another explanation, although it’s not as juicy. When the dad and his son showed up, it increased the number of people being affected by the man and his dog. So he left. I’m pretty sure the dad never had a conversation, or meant to teach a lesson, with his son about learning to push around women. The whole thought seems pretty absurd to me.

    I recently went to some local courts to practice my serve, and the only court with shade was being used by four college kids kicking a soccer ball to each other. I pointed out the Tennis only sign, but they shrugged and kept going. Then out of nowhere, a second tennis player showed up and the kids packed up their crap and left. Much to my male surprise, the other tennis player wore a skirt!

    Anyway, I practiced my serves and watched all the courts fill up. A guy came up to me and asked if he could use my court for serve practice. I asked if he wanted to play, or would let me practice RoS. He said he wanted to practice solo, and I told him sorry I’d be another 30 minutes. He left. Five minutes later two ladies showed up to play and I immediately gave them the court. Not because it’s court rules (it isn’t), but because I wasn’t willing to let my practice affect two people. Gender never played a part.

    Edit: I do think the dad was a doofus, and clearly in the wrong.
     
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    Man with dog shouldn't have been on court. It's not good for the court, or the dog

    I personally would have let the dad and his kid have the court though. And no, there's no way I'm going to practice serving with people playing on the other end of the court.

    To avoid all this nonsense, I just play at places where you have to reserve a court
     
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    My friends and I have found that since turning 50 we are less likely to put up with crap. We've become much more direct in the way we communicate and we don't avoid conflict. Don't know the reason for the change in behavior and frankly, don't care. No way I would have given up that court.
     
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    You can have all the rules in the world, but if nobody is there to enforce them, does it really matter? Are there people out there monitoring how long somebody is on a court and if they're being properly utilized?

    There's a busy court at a park in the city by me, people can self-regulate pretty easily there, no need for hall monitors or rent-a-cops.
     
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    Ugh sorry you had this unpleasantness. You handled it well. The INSISTENCE of the father is what I find incredibly insulting. “It’s fine”. No, actually it’s not up to him to decide what’s fine FOR YOU. I’d be boiling mad. You are much more gracious than most. This poor kid.

    Why is “tennis court” now equivalent to “private, enclosed dog run”. There is no bigger lover of dogs (Airedales in particular) than me, but I’d never consider bringing my dog to say, a baseball field or a football field to run unrestricted. It annoys me enormously.


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