Two Jerks In One Day Is A Lot Of Jerks

Enga

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Thats how it goes with free public courts. Youre bound for drama and people who dont respect the rules, as well as no one around to enforce them. Truly the only way to avoid it is to book at a club who monitors and keeps their schedules tight. Or build a court of your own, but it is a less sought after option.
 
I love your stories Cindy. Every time you post one I always read it.

If I were there with you, I would have just started hitting first serves at the guy and his dog until he got the message that people playing tennis takes precedence at public tennis courts. Then you could have practiced serving in peace!
 
on my neighborhood courts ( which is near some housing apartments) kids will play soccer, badminton, chase each other around the courts. u can ask them to leave and some are considerate, others not so much . if u make too much of a deal of it consider your tires to be slashed or car to be keyed next time u are there.
 
Thats how it goes with free public courts. Youre bound for drama and people who dont respect the rules, as well as no one around to enforce them. Truly the only way to avoid it is to book at a club who monitors and keeps their schedules tight. Or build a court of your own, but it is a less sought after option.
Unfortunately, private clubs are becoming more anarchic like the public courts too. Many club owners are too cheap to spend the money to have a court monitor/match maker to keep the inmates within the fenced in cages from running the asylum. There may be a pimple faced kid at the front desk who doesn't know which end of racquet to hit the ball with, too busy texting to look up as non-members slither by. The more aggressive members know all the tricks to book courts consecutively in cahoots with their buddies. Half the players during prime time are not even members playing league matches, and the other quarter are mercenaries given free memberships in hopes of winning the coveted tin signs, declaring them "best of the mediocre nationally".

If you do build your own court, better make sure there aren't any rocks on it left by the Indians, or your property will be declared a sacred Indian burial ground, forcing you to grant public access to your court to trespassers by the government.
 
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I love your stories Cindy. Every time you post one I always read it.

If I were there with you, I would have just started hitting first serves at the guy and his dog until he got the message that people playing tennis takes precedence at public tennis courts. Then you could have practiced serving in peace!
Hey, thanks! Would you like to hear the sequel?

I played districts this morning. We won, but my serve was godawful. Literally DF once or twice per game. I figured I should go back to this neighborhood court and see if I could sort myself out. Remember, the posted rules say that courts turn over on the hour when others are waiting. This court is adjacent to a kiddie park.

I arrived at about 11:40 with my hopper. It is smoking hot today, it is a workday, it is August. I figured no one else could possibly want the court, and it was empty.

I practiced for 30 minutes, and once my hopper was empty a lady came up. She was wearing yoga pants, had no racket and said, ""Are you finished? 'Cause if you're finished, we want to play. If you're not finished we can go to another park, though."

I thought, who is "we"? And what on earth is she planning to do -- practice yoga? And why is she trying to kick me off the court ten minutes after the hour?

Meh. I figured I would just vacate -- it was so very hot, and I had other things to do.

It turns out that she *did* have rackets (they must have been on a picnic table or something). She had two kids, one about 9 and one about 7, and as she passed me she said, "We don't really play tennis." Hey, whatever. If you have rackets and are swinging them, you are playing tennis.

As I was packing up my stuff, she hit a ball to the boy, who was at the opposite baseline. He took a wild swing and framed it backward over the fence, right onto the 4-lane busy road behind the court. The lady said, "Oh, well. That was our only ball."

I said, "I have plenty of balls, so many that I sometimes have to throw them in the trash. Take some." I gave them about 8 horribly dead balls from my hopper and left.

When I drove past the court again about 20 minutes later, they were still playing. And I didn't see any balls rolling down the street, so maybe they got better!
 
If they were dehydrated, would you insist @Cindysphinx give them mountain spring water, hand-drawn that morning vs a generic bottle from Wal-Mart? ;)
That's not a good analogy. They did not need or ask for her "horribly dead" balls. She offered to give them balls that she was going to throw away anyway. Hardly saving anyone from a dire situation and definitely not noble. Offering good, usable balls would have been better.

I can almost guarantee that if a man offered her tennis balls in the same condition, she would accuse him of being a sexist, racist and elitist.
 
Giving kids kids free tennis ball is not good enough nowadays. No, they have to have fresh, free balls handed to them lest they damage their frail arms rendered rubbery from hours of video games.

Is it any wonder that kids today are so entitled?

Don’t you want to know if the kids said thank you? They did not.

Their mother did. I guess I should count myself lucky that she didn’t curse me and throw those awful balls back in my face.

Good lord. I didn’t have to give them anything. I could have said, “Too bad so sad. Now that your only ball went over the fence, you can’t play tennis. Get off the court so I can hit some more serves.”
 
Can I get your shipping address so I can send you a truckload of horribly dead balls, dead poly strings and shoes with holes? Oh and you are welcome.
 
Can I get your shipping address so I can send you a truckload of horribly dead balls, dead poly strings and shoes with holes? Oh and you are welcome.
I have to admire you. When I have old shoes, clothing, rackets, furniture, etc., I donate it to charity.

I guess you go out and buy new stuff for charity and keep the old stuff for yourself.

You’re a saint.

Cindy — chuckling because the horribly dead balls in her hopper were good enough for her
 
I have to admire you. When I have old shoes, clothing, rackets, furniture, etc., I donate it to charity.

I guess you go out and buy new stuff for charity and keep the old stuff for yourself.

You’re a saint.

Cindy — chuckling because the horribly dead balls in her hopper were good enough for her
I open a new can of Pro Penn balls each time I play as they are of high quality and last a long time.
After playing 3 sets, I ask others if they want the balls as they are still in pretty good shape.
If they like the balls, then I'm happy with that.

What I don't do is bring horribly dead balls and offer them to others, expecting/demanding gratitude.
If I do that, I'll get cussed out or worse.
 
That's not a good analogy. They did not need or ask for her "horribly dead" balls. She offered to give them balls that she was going to throw away anyway. Hardly saving anyone from a dire situation and definitely not noble. Offering good, usable balls would have been better.
Yes, it would have been better. By extending your logic, @Cindysphinx should have bought them a new case. However, while they didn't ask for "horribly dead balls", what they received was better than nothing, right? How can they play tennis with no tennis balls? Visualize everything?

So, while mountain spring water would have been better, tap water would suffice.
 
I open a new can of Pro Penn balls each time I play as they are of high quality and last a long time.
After playing 3 sets, I ask others if they want the balls as they are still in pretty good shape.
If they like the balls, then I'm happy with that.

What I don't do is bring horribly dead balls and offer them to others, expecting/demanding gratitude.
If I do that, I'll get cussed out or worse.
You're comparing apples to oranges. What you described above is perfectly normal and I do the same and I'm pretty sure @Cindysphinx does also.

The situation she described, though, was not one of peers playing in a regular group but strangers and one of them solved the other's problem [no tennis balls]. I don't see how you can get miffed at CS.

I repeat my question: what would the lady and her kids have done if CS didn't give them some balls [pristine or not]?
 
You're comparing apples to oranges. What you described above is perfectly normal and I do the same and I'm pretty sure @Cindysphinx does also.

The situation she described, though, was not one of peers playing in a regular group but strangers and one of them solved the other's problem [no tennis balls]. I don't see how you can get miffed at CS.

I repeat my question: what would the lady and her kids have done if CS didn't give them some balls [pristine or not]?
Give them decent, usable balls instead of horribly dead ones.

I don't imagine a man giving OP 8 horribly dead balls and her being fine with it.
 
Give them decent, usable balls instead of horribly dead ones.

I don't imagine a man giving OP 8 horribly dead balls and her being fine with it.
OK: so your solution is a 10 out of 10 whereas CS' was less than 10 but more than 0; how much is up for debate.

The bottom line? They could play now whereas without CS they could not.
 
Actually, you're wrong: "Cindy — chuckling because the horribly dead balls in her hopper were good enough for her"
It's one thing to use the balls until they become dead. It's another to have someone offer their horribly dead balls to you expecting thanks.

OK I'll give her the benefit of doubt that she was trying to do the right thing.
 
It's one thing to use the balls until they become dead. It's another to have someone offer their horribly dead balls to you expecting thanks.

OK I'll give her the benefit of doubt that she was trying to do the right thing.
If you did someone a favor, wouldn't you expect a "thank you"? I mean, I don't expect a written proclamation and praise on the other person's FB page but a verbal thank you is not an undue burden.

Our different viewpoints seem to stem from the fact that I believe CS did them a favor since without her offer, they wouldn't have been able to play.

You seem to drill beyond that and negate the value of the favor because of the quality of the material offered.
 
Well this thread just took an unexpected turn. Cindy you did a good thing. Better them having tennis balls vs leaving and going home or hitting stones. They stayed, they played tennis. Tennis, physical activity and general well being wins. I doubt self proclaimed non tennis players find slightly dead balls to be the limiting factor in their game.
 
Well this thread just took an unexpected turn. Cindy you did a good thing. Better them having tennis balls vs leaving and going home or hitting stones. They stayed, they played tennis. Tennis, physical activity and general well being wins. I doubt self proclaimed non tennis players find slightly dead balls to be the limiting factor in their game.
Yeah, sorry for derailing thread.

To include myself, I have asked the mods to revise this thread title to "THREE Jerks In One Day Is A Lot Of Jerks"
 
As I was packing up my stuff, she hit a ball to the boy, who was at the opposite baseline. He took a wild swing and framed it backward over the fence, right onto the 4-lane busy road behind the court. The lady said, "Oh, well. That was our only ball."

I said, "I have plenty of balls, so many that I sometimes have to throw them in the trash. Take some." I gave them about 8 horribly dead balls from my hopper and left.
Let no good deed go unpunished. Players should always keep several fresh sleeves of 4 ball Slazenger Wimbledons in their kits to donate to the less fortunate.
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
Giving kids kids free tennis ball is not good enough nowadays. No, they have to have fresh, free balls handed to them lest they damage their frail arms rendered rubbery from hours of video games.

Is it any wonder that kids today are so entitled?

Don’t you want to know if the kids said thank you? They did not.

Their mother did. I guess I should count myself lucky that she didn’t curse me and throw those awful balls back in my face.

Good lord. I didn’t have to give them anything. I could have said, “Too bad so sad. Now that your only ball went over the fence, you can’t play tennis. Get off the court so I can hit some more serves.”
Your comments on kids show a concocted attempt to belittle the next generations. It becomes a habit after a while. You know nothing about these kids and yet you have to make negative comments about them. Kids today are far better than their parents ever were. I have no respect for people my age but lots of respect for the kids I see. They are polite, unprejudiced, unsexist, and mind their own business on their cell phones and iPads instead of bothering others.
 
what the heck was the big deal with sharing the court?
i serve to the deuce side... and dad&son play mini on the ad side (well technicqlly both on my half of the court)
if your serve is so bad you're hitting them... well that's pretty bad.... but you warned them
if you can't serve with that "distraction" how the heck are you gonna serve in a match?

other options:
* ask them to stand closer to the doubles alley
* just stand up for yourself, and say you'd rather not - but really, it's not that big a deal if you share the court.

my $0,02
Lol, i think theres a few ntrp levels between you and @Cindysphinx.

But I was thinking the same thing. Its actually good practice for a decent doubles player. I Formation.

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You can have all the rules in the world, but if nobody is there to enforce them, does it really matter? Are there people out there monitoring how long somebody is on a court and if they're being properly utilized?

There's a busy court at a park in the city by me, people can self-regulate pretty easily there, no need for hall monitors or rent-a-cops.
Yeah, makes me wonder whether having posted rules but nobody there to enforce is actually worse than not having any posted rules at all.
At my local park courts there are no posted rules. Yet somehow disputes are rare, even though the courts see a lot of use. Perhaps because there are no rules, people just have to use common sense and some courtesy to others. Most people are not inherently jerks.
But then with posted rules there is the added indignation when someone else is perceived to be 'not following the rules', which just makes things worse.
(Not commenting at all about Cindy's specific situation; just a general musing.)
 
Ugh. Two guys just did that second thing from the OP to me and it was so annoying.

I went out to hit at night. Went to a park with lighted courts, two courts, both courts were empty. I start serving. A couple of guys show up and take the second court, fine. Then two more guys show up and just... walk onto the court I'm practicing serves on and start playing halfcourt. Didn't even ask. What the heck. Who does that! And I know there's other lighted courts around they could have gone to, this wasn't the only one!
 
Ugh. Two guys just did that second thing from the OP to me and it was so annoying.

I went out to hit at night. Went to a park with lighted courts, two courts, both courts were empty. I start serving. A couple of guys show up and take the second court, fine. Then two more guys show up and just... walk onto the court I'm practicing serves on and start playing halfcourt. Didn't even ask. What the heck. Who does that! And I know there's other lighted courts around they could have gone to, this wasn't the only one!
What did you do?
 
I hit some serves for a bit like that and then I left. I had a headache anyway and really wasn't feeling like having an argument. It was like 9:15pm when they first came so it was too late to bother going to a different court to get set up again.
 
I'd be happy to hear a way to enforce basic etiquette on public courts -- just in the past month, while playing on public courts I've
(1) had to avoid multiple piles of dog poo, some quite fresh
(2) had a kid bike between my opponent and the back fence while we were playing a point
(3) had kids kick soccer balls against the other side of the back fence, with several of them coming over and either hitting my opponent or getting in his way

At least when other tennis players do something bad, like walking through my court while I'm playing a point or saying they'll play on the same court I'm already hitting serves on, there's some chance that they might understand when I explain to them that they shouldn't do such things since that's how tennis works. But I have no idea how to get through to people who do (1), (2) or (3) that dogs, bikes and soccer balls don't belong on a tennis court.
 
I'd be happy to hear a way to enforce basic etiquette
Join a private club?

Seriously, all you can do is give them The Look. Some will get it; many will not.

When people commit egregious offenses, like walking through your court mid-point or failing to close the gate, just ask them nicely not to do whatever it is.

Regarding kids, I treat them like adult humans. So I will say something like, "Hey, do you guys mind kicking the soccer ball against that wall over there instead of this fence? It makes a terrible racket. Thank you so much!" IME, they respond just fine.
 

TTMR

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I'd be happy to hear a way to enforce basic etiquette on public courts -- just in the past month, while playing on public courts I've
(1) had to avoid multiple piles of dog poo, some quite fresh
(2) had a kid bike between my opponent and the back fence while we were playing a point
(3) had kids kick soccer balls against the other side of the back fence, with several of them coming over and either hitting my opponent or getting in his way


At least when other tennis players do something bad, like walking through my court while I'm playing a point or saying they'll play on the same court I'm already hitting serves on, there's some chance that they might understand when I explain to them that they shouldn't do such things since that's how tennis works. But I have no idea how to get through to people who do (1), (2) or (3) that dogs, bikes and soccer balls don't belong on a tennis court.
The kids distracted your opponent while you were playing and you're angry at them? The least you could have done was given them some fresh tennis balls in gratitude.
 
Then two more guys show up and just... walk onto the court I'm practicing serves on and start playing halfcourt.
On the other hand--and this is a stretch-- they might have been showing your game the highest degree of respect, observing that you have a world class serve, hitting all your balls into your target area, not wanting to interrupt your focus feeling confident sharing the court with you for their practice and breathing your air--did they request your autograph? Often in tournament tennis, practice courts are hard to come by and six players may share the court at the same time. I told you this was a stretch.

How did it work out practically? Were you able to practice your serve and were the trespassers able to confine their balls to their area?
 
On the other hand--and this is a stretch-- they might have been showing your game the highest degree of respect, observing that you have a world class serve, hitting all your balls into your target area, not wanting to interrupt your focus feeling confident sharing the court with you for their practice and breathing your air--did they request your autograph? Often in tournament tennis, practice courts are hard to come by and six players may share the court at the same time. I told you this was a stretch.

How did it work out practically? Were you able to practice your serve and were the trespassers able to confine their balls to their area?
This is a stretch also but one time I was practicing serve where not all the courts were lit. I was on a lit court and two others had arrived and only had the unlit court. I offered them my court because I don't need to see where my serve goes: I can tell whether it was a good swing based on how it felt. While not exactly analogous, I came up with a compromise that satisfied both parties [I would have been happier if every court had lights but I don't control that].

Granted, the one major difference is that I offered the compromise instead of it being forced upon me.
 
“Hey, could my son and I use the court you and your dog are playing on?”

“”Yeah, sure it is all yours. He and I can go to the field around the corner.””

Cindy - “I was going to practice my serves on this court.”

“Oh, ok. Let’s share it. We’ll use one half, you use the other. My son is a beginner and doesn’t need the full court.”

Cindy - “I was going to hit serves here...” *procedes to stare and not say anything*

What happened to the Cindy from 4 years ago? You’d be posting about how you had a bad service day at districts and that you’d be working hard with your coach or on your own to fix it, watching video to see what you did wrong, or just going over the strategy again. Not this.

Don’t become a death staring, poor communicative, dopey tennis player like the rest of these boards. Bring back old Cindy.
 
How about " just waiting for the dog to poop on the green hardcourt, then its all yours"
Ours say no skateboarding etc...
Do we really need signs ten miles long saying no fairs, picknicking, bowling, sandwich making, jarts, cornhole, simon says, .....

Signs signs everywhere is sign blocking up the
 
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