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But adding a masters 1000 on grass? Can we at least get you on board with that?In your dreams.
But adding a masters 1000 on grass? Can we at least get you on board with that?In your dreams.
Yes, but delete one from hard courts, not one from clay. There are 6 Masters 1000 on hard and only 3 on clay.But adding a masters 1000 on grass? Can we at least get you on board with that?
What players? Except for the top 25 or so, almost every player on the tour, and there are 750 of them BTW, needs to play every week to make anything approaching a living. Federer et al.'s interests do not necessarily align with the plebs that make up most of professional tennis.This gives the players less masters to have to attend, and gives them almost 2 full months to rest.
So make it a 500... this would actually solve your problem of the lower ranks getting more money... not hurt it.What players? Except for the top 25 or so, almost every player on the tour, and there are 750 of them BTW, needs to play every week to make anything approaching a living. Federer et al.'s interests do not necessarily align with the plebs that make up most of professional tennis.
In your dreams. There are only 3 Masters 1000 on clay (as opposed to 6 on hard courts). If you want to add more titles on grass, remove from the hard court season to make the surface distribution more equiatative between hard, clay and grass.
The greatest players don't skip them. Federer and Djokovic have played over 12 times each one Montecarlo. This year Montecarlo was played by the 3 best clay players of the moment: Nadal, Thiem and Djokovic.However the clay season is congested, loads of players either skip Madrid or MC
Actually if anything I'd rather Hamburg came back as a master and replaced Madrid
Paris needs to go and Halle needs to be masters 1000. End season earlier and you have 3 on clay, 1 on grass, and 5 on hard. That is about as reasonable as it will ever get.The greatest players don't skip them. Federer and Djokovic have played over 12 times each one Montecarlo. This year Montecarlo was played by the 3 best clay players of the moment: Nadal, Thiem and Djokovic.
In Madrid we had Nadal, Djokovic, Thiem, Tsitsipas, Wawrinka and Federer, so all the best players on the surface. And certainly we did see really good matches in Madrid.
No reason to change Madrid with Hamburg, as Madrid is working pretty well, and even has 3 courts with a roof (unlike other Masters 1000 like Cincinnati which have 0 courts with a roof).
Don't know where your irrational hate for Madrid came from.
Option 5: Remove clay. Fill two months with real tennis.
Most prestigious tournament is on... wait for it... grass.Option 6 - remove the last hold outs of crappy grass tourneys and split the season between the two real, superior surfaces. Rotate WTF between them.
Most prestigious tournament is on... wait for it... grass.
I agree. Halle has a beatiful centre court (and with a modern roof which allows natural light, unlike the AO).Paris needs to go and Halle needs to be masters 1000. End season earlier and you have 3 on clay, 1 on grass, and 5 on hard. That is about as reasonable as it will ever get.
If we really have to keep Cincy (don't get why we need 4 big tourneys in the US), fine, but move it to the end of the year as an option like MC.
The greatest players don't skip them. Federer and Djokovic have played over 12 times each one Montecarlo. This year Montecarlo was played by the 3 best clay players of the moment: Nadal, Thiem and Djokovic.
In Madrid we had Nadal, Djokovic, Thiem, Tsitsipas, Wawrinka and Federer, so all the best players on the surface. And certainly we did see really good matches in Madrid.
No reason to change Madrid with Hamburg, as Madrid is working pretty well, and even has 3 courts with a roof (unlike other Masters 1000 like Cincinnati which have 0 courts with a roof).
Don't know where your irrational hate for Madrid came from.
Option 6 - remove the last hold outs of crappy grass tourneys and split the season between the two real, superior surfaces. Rotate WTF between them.
I agree.Irrational hate is a bit strong, I just dont think it has much history and it's always been the least liked of the clay masters by Nadal fans, and more well liked by Federer fans since the altitude there makes it play less like other clay events. Hamburg was more of usual clay event. Plus having Madrid back to back with Rome puts strain in a congested part of the season, this is also why I mooted the idea of only having one of the sunshine double, but obviously you disnt care about that because it is hardcourt, nor did you care I removed another HC master as well. But on second thoughts maybe it's good to have a less traditional clay masters as well, maybe even do the blue clay thing again
I would even remove the Roger's cup but it has prestige and that's a bit unfair to Canada, but I think there should be a week inbetween that and Cincy
As for Madrid and MC, it gets skipped far more than Rome for instance. MC should be as important and a full masters, Madrid needs to have a week between it and Rome otherwise players will not give everything to all 3. Though there are 6 HC masters there's never more than 2 in a row, clay has 3 in such a short space.
So having 3 clay masters, RG then a grass master and then Wimbledon seems a bit of a squeeze. Only solution is start clay season earlier
I don't get why people are so protective of Cincy, what is so special about it? Definitely not the city like you said. What tourney has a worst location? None.#4 : Remove Cincinnati because no prestigious tournament should be in Cincinnati; Make Queen's a masters and put it in the Montreal/Toronto time-slot, then move Montreal/Toronto to the former Cincinnati timeslot
I don't get why people are so protective of Cincy, what is so special about it? Definitely not the city like you said. What tourney has a worst location? None.
Like, except the IW part, that is by far the best masters, I think you should keep the Sunshine double.
Switch to only natural surfaces - AO, FO and USO on clay, and Wimby on grass.
No player is going to any of those countries in November unless they're from Australia and going there for the off season. That's why the AO changed its schedule in the 1980's from December to January. The WTF will never be held in any of those places, you know that.
The problem with master on grass is: Halle or Queens? That's gonna cause a lot of infighting. Fed backing Halle is a huge factor but so is the history and prestige of Queens.So, I like variety in all aspects of tennis, whether that be surface or shot selection and style of play. I am obviously a fan of grass, however, it should remain the shortest part of the season, but there should be more emphasis on it in my opinion.
So, I give you 4 options that the ATP could do.
Option #1: Move Wimbledon back a week and keep Halle where it is at but make it a master's 1000 and move Queens back one week and keep it a 500. In this option, we would take Cincy off the table and turn it into a 500 (some will not like this). This gives Germany a big tourney, grass a master's, keeps Queens at 500, and takes away Cincy (US will still have two masters 1000 and a slam to go along with a couple 500's).
Option #2: keep things the same but remove Paris as a master's and a few 500's and end the season with the WTF at the end of October. This gives the players less masters to have to attend, and gives them almost 2 full months to rest.
Option #3: do absolutely NOTHING.
Option #4: I am a genius, let me tell you what the ATP should do.
Now, obviously this is supposed to be a hypothetical fun debate. So I get there are finances and politics that would make these options almost impossible, so put that aside... or explain how you could overcome that.
Congratulations: now you are on the level of Kermit as far as your tennis reasoning is concerned.