Two piece vs one piece: any playing difference?

[Obieseven]

just got two of my Wilson PS100LS's back from my regular stringer. racquet specs call for one piece stringing but the stringer strung them both with two pieces. I have a third that he did do as one piece a few weeks ago. Can I expect to see any playing difference with the two piece jobs.

I've been using this stringer (a tennis shop w/ an electronic stinger) for a while and have been very happy with them - they have strung these racquets one piece at least ten times. Strings are Tier One FireWire 125. I would return them but he doesn't carry the FireWire and I don't expect more until late in the week.

 

[Mareqnyc]

No noticeable difference in my experience if strung properly.

 

[Booger]

In theory, a one piece string job should be closer to reference tension and be less prone to tension loss. In practice, ehhhhhhh, not so much. I can't tell a difference.

 

[Mareqnyc]

just got two of my Wilson PS100LS's back from my regular stringer. racquet specs call for one piece stringing but the stringer strung them both with two pieces. I have a third that he did do as one piece a few weeks ago. Can I expect to see any playing difference with the two piece jobs.

I've been using this stringer (a tennis shop w/ an electronic stinger) for a while and have been very happy with them - they have strung these racquets one piece at least ten times. Strings are Tier One FireWire 125. I would return them but he doesn't carry the FireWire and I don't expect more until late in the week.

Research this forum. I've seen this subject discussed thoroughly in the past

 

[Irvin]

My rackets skip 7&9 and the mains tie off at 6T. That means the bottom cross grommet holes are blocked by two strings and also makes for a cluttered group of strings around the bottom crosses outside the frame. So I decided to use an ATW pattern the last time. Even though I dropped the tension 4 pounds and the ping of the stringbed sounds lower the ATW stringbed feels a little more boardy. I also left out the leather power pads which could have made a difference.

 

[Obieseven]

Thanks guys! I'll research and hope to get some hitting in today and tomorrow.

 

[Rabbit]

two-piece versus one-piece isn't going to make any difference. power pads don't do anything to dampen a string bed since they compress under tension. their only goal in life is to change the angle of a string in a bend. with modern racquets, there is little to no need for them.

 

[struggle]

You won't notice a difference.

Also, i'd guess it was two different people stringing the rackets. Most
folks don't string one-piece these days with all the hybrids and such.
2 piece is easier and makes more sense for most. 1 piece is also fine
but no advantage gained, none that you'll notice.

 

[Irvin]

2 piece is easier and makes more sense for most. 1 piece is also fine
but no advantage gained, none that you'll notice.

That will depend on the racket

 

[struggle]

No, it won't.

 

[McLovin]

2 piece is easier and makes more sense for most. 1 piece is also fine
but no advantage gained, none that you'll notice.

That will depend on the racket

I gotta agree w/ @Irvin on this one. Some racquets are easier to string 1-piece than two, mainly due to the location of the tie-off holes & cluttering that he mentioned previously. Also, I find it more economical to use 1-piece when pulling from a reel. I can usually save 2-3ft by doing 1-piece, which over the life of a reel will get me an additional stringing.

 

[vandre]

i'm no expert and i've never tested this out, but i've been told by others that every time you tie off, you'll lose some tension (although i'll admit that it's likely minimal). some manufactures (i.e. yonex) explicitly state that their racquets are to be strung 2 piece. i've done one piece stringing before on my racquets and, apart from keeping some extra string on my reel, i really didn't notice any difference in playability. i am a lowly 3.5 though, so what do i know????

 

[Rabbit]

i'm no expert and i've never tested this out, but i've been told by others that every time you tie off, you'll lose some tension (although i'll admit that it's likely minimal). some manufactures (i.e. yonex) explicitly state that their racquets are to be strung 2 piece. i've done one piece stringing before on my racquets and, apart from keeping some extra string on my reel, i really didn't notice any difference in playability. i am a lowly 3.5 though, so what do i know????

You're right. That's why some machines include a feature called a knot button which adds X number of pounds of tension to the pull to compensate for that loss. All 2-piece requirements can be done ATW which negates the need for 2-piece.

I gotta agree w/ @Irvin on this one. Some racquets are easier to string 1-piece than two

After reading and re-reading, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I will agree that some racquets are easier to string two-piece than one-piece, namely Babolats. For primarily a string company, Babolat racquets are crappy in their layout for stringing.

But it is just as easy to string a frame two-piece as one-piece. I cannot think of a single frame that is easier to string one-piece versus two-piece. A prime example is my beloved C10 which is laid out perfectly for a one-piece string job. It's no harder for me to string it two-piece.


That said, I much prefer one-piece when given the choice.

 

[struggle]

I gotta agree w/ @Irvin on this one. Some racquets are easier to string 1-piece than two, mainly due to the location of the tie-off holes & cluttering that he mentioned previously. Also, I find it more economical to use 1-piece when pulling from a reel. I can usually save 2-3ft by doing 1-piece, which over the life of a reel will get me an additional stringing.

Yeah, i'll buy that (even though i'll always prefer two piece, labor wise) but as far as the OP is concerned, no it will not matter.

That's all i meant. Irvin goes off on a tangent. The OP doesn't care if the stringer used 2-3 feet less string.
He just wanted to know if was inferior. It clearly is not. (different? sure. better? nah)

That's all i meant.

 

[Irvin]

... Irvin goes off on a tangent. The OP doesn't care if the stringer used 2-3 feet less string.
He just wanted to know if was inferior. It clearly is not. (different? sure. better? nah)...

I did not go off on a tangent. I normally prefer two piece over one piece but strung mine with an ATW pattern because it was easier not to save string. I thought the one piece felt stiffer.

EDIT: There are ways to string 2 piece and not use but a few inches more than you would with a 1 piece also. If you want to take the thread off track we can do that.

 

[Chotobaka]

. I will agree that some racquets are easier to string two-piece than one-piece, namely Babolats. For primarily a string company, Babolat racquets are crappy in their layout for stringing.

They have been so consistent with this, you'd think they are going out of their way to be a PITA.

 

[McLovin]

But it is just as easy to string a frame two-piece as one-piece. I cannot think of a single frame that is easier to string one-piece versus two-piece.

Wilson Steam 105S (my wife's frame). First, trying to fit the final cross through the last hole is a huge PITA because the tie-off from the mains is blocking 7T. Yes, you can put a piece of string in there to help, but to my point, that is extra work (something you don't have to do in a 1-piece). Second, the cross tie-off is 11T, which makes that one area a huge mess of strings crossing over each other, and since its so far from the exit hole (7T to 11T is ~ 2in), you lose a ton of tension in that last tie-off.

Again, you can increase the tension on the last pull, but that is still more work (minimal, but still something extra you have to do).

According to Wilson, this frame can be strung bottom-to-top (not that I'd ever do it that way), but it is in the documentation:

http://www.wilson.com/en-us/tennis/stringing-instructions/​

So stringing 1-piece, mains bottom-to-top is most definitely easier than a 2-piece, and doing an ATW pattern is slightly easier, but still more preferable that 2-piece. Believe me, I've done it many times.

And now if you'll excuse me, I have to go string her's up, which in all honesty, I'm dreading due to the two things I've listed above...

 

[ARKustom93]

You're right. That's why some machines include a feature called a knot button which adds X number of pounds of tension to the pull to compensate for that loss. All 2-piece requirements can be done ATW which negates the need for 2-piece.



After reading and re-reading, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I will agree that some racquets are easier to string two-piece than one-piece, namely Babolats. For primarily a string company, Babolat racquets are crappy in their layout for stringing.

But it is just as easy to string a frame two-piece as one-piece. I cannot think of a single frame that is easier to string one-piece versus two-piece. A prime example is my beloved C10 which is laid out perfectly for a one-piece string job. It's no harder for me to string it two-piece.


That said, I much prefer one-piece when given the choice.

PC 600??

 

[Irvin]

Thanks guys! I'll research and hope to get some hitting in today and tomorrow.

Did you get some hitting in and were you able to compare 1/2 piece string jobs.

 

[Obieseven]

I was able to get out and serve some yesterday and the strings seemed fine. Will play later today...

 

[Obieseven]

Had a good hit yesterday (and won a match!) and, as predicted by the helpful folks here and elsewhere in the forum, I could not notice any difference between the one-piece and two-piece stringing.

I'm getting about the same power but better control and touch with the TierOneFirewire than I was with Luxilon 4G or Yonex PolyTourSpjn. More important, I'm making less errors and have won four straight matches with the FireWire. Thanks again for all the replies - it was good to walk onto the court yesterday without any apprehension about the stringing difference.

 

[lwto]

They have been so consistent with this, you'd think they are going out of their way to be a PITA.

I don't know, before the new models, Babolat has been about the easiest racquets ever to string, now they have that grooved string guide and if you have a soft string, or gut, good luck guiding it through that last blocked hole. I know Irvin, it can be done, but it's not as easy as it was before.

 

[SoBad]

Is it true that Great Nadal requires one-piece stringing?

 

[Irvin]

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[Irvin]

Is it true that Great Nadal requires one-piece stringing?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/nadals-one-piece-string-job.469665/#post-7581777

 

[TennisManiac]

No difference.

 

[wsk429]

Had a good hit yesterday (and won a match!) and, as predicted by the helpful folks here and elsewhere in the forum, I could not notice any difference between the one-piece and two-piece stringing.

I'm getting about the same power but better control and touch with the TierOneFirewire than I was with Luxilon 4G or Yonex PolyTourSpjn. More important, I'm making less errors and have won four straight matches with the FireWire. Thanks again for all the replies - it was good to walk onto the court yesterday without any apprehension about the stringing difference.

When you can walk on a court and not care about silly things like one or two piece string jobs, or any other quirks for that matter, you're becoming a better player. Of course, in reality there are subtle differences but you will also subconsciously adapt to achieve the end result too. The better the player the more adaptable they are to larger changes to achieve the same end result. I would not be sure surprised that many pros can be rec players with Walmart sticks.

 

[cknobman]

Here is the most important thing to really note about one piece and two piece stringing.

Always string your racquet using the same technique.
There will be no advantage or difference that way.
You will adjust/adapt/get used to whatever method you pick.

Consistency is the most important thing when stringing. Keep the same strings, same stringing techniques, and know your tensions.

 

[Imago]

All 2-piece requirements can be done ATW which negates the need for 2-piece.

2-piece ATW is the best way to string Prince rackets with speedports. You can never go wrong.

 

[Irvin]

@Imago you cannot be serious.

 

[Imago]

@Imago you cannot be serious.

You can start the crosses from whatever side is required, no matter where you have tied off the mains, so no need to calculate from which side you will enter the first speedport from above.

 

[Irvin]

You can start the crosses from whatever side is required, no matter where you have tied off the mains, so no need to calculate from which side you will enter the first speedport from above.

You show me how you do a 2 piece ATW on a Prince speedport the next time you get a chance. Or could it be you meant 50/50?

2-piece ATW is the best way to string Prince rackets with speedports. You can never go wrong.

 

[Rabbit]

I think what he's saying is that two-piece on Prince Speed ports means you never have the problem where you've started the racquet one-piece wrong; i.e. short vs long side.

 

[mcleantennis1985]

I always string my racquet with two piece string because use hybrid string. I use NG on the main and multi. on the cross. Therefore, if I break the cross string, I just re-string the cross and keep the main, thus saving $$$ in the long run. If I break the main string, I have to re-string the whole racquet. My experience is that I always break the cross at least two times before I break the main

 

[Imago]

You show me how you do a 2 piece ATW on a Prince speedport the next time you get a chance. Or could it be you meant 50/50?

Let's take this one 16x19
http://www.princetennis.com/media/23632/o3_speedport_red_SI.pdf

Start from the top and leave 6 lengths +1 for the final pull. When you reach the 6LH, use the starting clamp and go 2 times around the world with the longer part. Mains should be >6.5 m to do so. Crosses then start obviously from the right side. You need 4.5 m.

 

[Knife]

I always string my racquet with two piece string because use hybrid string. I use NG on the main and multi. on the cross. Therefore, if I break the cross string, I just re-string the cross and keep the main, thus saving $$$ in the long run. If I break the main string, I have to re-string the whole racquet. My experience is that I always break the cross at least two times before I break the main

I have used the same method for some time. Have lately changed to syngut for crosses and like that set up even more.

 

[Irvin]

Let's take this one 16x19
http://www.princetennis.com/media/23632/o3_speedport_red_SI.pdf

Start from the top and leave 6 lengths +1 for the final pull. When you reach the 6LH, use the starting clamp and go 2 times around the world with the longer part. Mains should be >6.5 m to do so. Crosses then start obviously from the right side. You need 4.5 m.

That's a 2 piece ATW? I guess you end up with two pieces when the string breaks right?

2-piece ATW is the best way to string Prince rackets with speedports. You can never go wrong.

And with that 1 piece 2 piece ATW, since you can't go wrong, I assume it woks on any Prince Speedport when you do a 2 piece ATW with only one piece of string.

 

[Imago]

That's a 2 piece ATW? I guess you end up with two pieces when the string breaks right?

One piece that goes 2 or 3 times ATW is natural gut, the other piece for the middle crosses is poly. I have 5 rackets of the White series (03 Plus, 03 SP, 2xWarrior and Warrior ESP) strung in this way, and no string broke so far.

 

[Red001]

just got two of my Wilson PS100LS's back from my regular stringer. racquet specs call for one piece stringing but the stringer strung them both with two pieces. I have a third that he did do as one piece a few weeks ago. Can I expect to see any playing difference with the two piece jobs.

I've been using this stringer (a tennis shop w/ an electronic stinger) for a while and have been very happy with them - they have strung these racquets one piece at least ten times. Strings are Tier One FireWire 125. I would return them but he doesn't carry the FireWire and I don't expect more until late in the week.

I did an experiment using 2 devices. First device is ERT300 to measure dynamic tension (DT) and the second device to measure a resonant frequency of the strung racquet.
I could not measure any difference between 2 piece and 1 piece (ATW) jobs.
Personally I cannot feel any difference in a racquet performance on the court either.


Also I recorded how many hours I play with my racquet until tension drops 15%.
To make this experiment more objective I repeated it several times (all parameters were the same - string, tension, stringing machine, playing schedule)
The result is the same - there is no difference which method is used to string a racquet.

P.S. Forgot to mention, - I used Tier One FireWire 125 ...