Two Year Ranking System

OddJack

G.O.A.T.
Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal , the world’s two best-known tennis players, are often depicted as chummy rivals, fiercely competitive on court but sharing a joke off it. After Mr Nadal complained earlier this year that his Swiss competitor did not support others’ demands for a less punishing season, Mr Federer was quick to play down any sign of friction. But it resurfaced this week when Mr Nadal resigned as vice-president of the Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) Player Council, on which Mr Federer serves as president.

The busy Spaniard insists he cannot dedicate himself fully to the job of representing player concerns to ATP organisers, who run the tournament circuit. Yet he has clearly fallen out with Mr Federer on a core issue, having backed the introduction of a new rankings system that would score players over two years instead of one. Asked for his views on the proposal, Mr Federer had reportedly described it as “boring” and said it would make life harder for lower-ranked players. Right on both counts, Mr Federer might also have said that Mr Nadal’s scheme would not necessarily ease the pressure on higher-ranked players. Nevertheless, his resignation leaves that problem unresolved.

Perhaps the biggest flaw in Mr Nadal’s plan was that it reeked of short-term self-interest. Players receive a certain share of points, used to determine rankings, depending on how well they do in tournaments. Under the current system, they must defend those points the following year. Mr Nadal failed in this task in 2011, when he lost several titles to Serbia’s Novak Djokovic along with his number one position. Under a two-year system, he would not have had to defend the points he won in 2010 until this year, and would still have been the top seed entering competitions in early 2012.

Besides Mr Nadal’s status, other rankings would be less changeable under a two-year system. That justifies Mr Federer’s description of this approach as “boring”. Although self-interest also motivates the Swiss star, who wants to be able swiftly to recapture the number one spot he last held in 2009 (he is now ranked third, behind Mr Djokovic and Mr Nadal), introducing a less dynamic scoring method is unlikely to help popularise tennis. A two-year rankings calculation would also sit incongruously with the season, which stretches over 12 months, and even puzzle or annoy spectators. Many would surely think it unfair if Mr Djokovic had remained the world number two after winning both Wimbledon and the US Open, two of the four prestigious “grand slams”.

Above all, Mr Nadal’s scheme does not seem the best way to make the season less taxing, which is the Spaniard’s aim. It may have worked to his advantage in 2011, but it would have forced him to work doubly hard now, especially given his failure to accumulate as many points as Mr Djokovic last year. Similarly, while slowing the decline of injured or out-of-form players, it would prevent newcomers and long-term absentees from rising quickly without playing in every tournament possible.

Mr Nadal’s own injury problems explain his desire to exercise change. Yet other top players have also expressed the concern their careers may be cut short by wear and tear unless authorities reduce the workload, particularly over the northern hemisphere’s summer. Instead of fiddling with the rankings system, the ATP and International Tennis Federation, the sport’s governing body, could try distributing the grand slams—three of which take place between late May and early September—more evenly throughout the season. Of course, tournament organisers and sponsors would probably resist such a move. Moreover, the lack of indoor facilities could prevent play at other times of the year.

Mr Nadal’s critics say top players bear full responsibility for their problems. These days, most play an attritional, baseline game that contributes to injuries and burnout. No one expects an overnight resurrection of serve-and-volley tennis, but umpires could encourage players to shorten rallies by rigorously enforcing rules on time allowed between points. Many players are guilty of breaching official limits to give themselves a breather. With his graceful, attacking style, Mr Federer is not among them and has been able to avoid serious injury throughout a successful decade-long career. His reluctance to speak out on these issues has obviously upset Mr Nadal, but it is hardly a surprise.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2012/03/player-rankings-tennis

The two year ranking system proposal could only come from Nadal. He would offer a two year tax system if he could.

The self-interest in his idea is so obvious it sounds childish.

If two year ranking went on effect in 2010, he would be still number one after 7 consecutive losses to Novak Djokovic.
 
oh come on, nadal has added to the modern tennis story. Even if he's 18-10 against Federer, i'll take those 18 losses for the sweet wins, tennis would have been boring if Federer had just won that French Open easily in 2006, the drama of 2009 was brilliant. I just wish Federer had been better at beating Nadal, but that's his fault really, so can't blame Nadal.

console yourself that somewhere in another reality, Nadal IS a child working in a Nike sweatshop :lol:
 
These days, most play an attritional, baseline game that contributes to injuries and burnout.....but umpires could encourage players to shorten rallies by rigorously enforcing rules on time allowed between points.

Most salient point in that article.

Of course Nadal is too dim to actually see the causal relationship between his his own behavior and his resulting injuries/burnout.
 
whats with the Mr crap anyway? lol
that sounds hilarious when read it..

other than that, nothing new
 
I've always been a Rafa fan and Fed fan. I love good tennis. But Rafa has really tarnished his image with his position on the ranking system. In fact I like Rafa so much, I'm having trouble even figuring out how to still admire the sportsman he led us all to believe he was. Apparently he's a pretty immature young man who has led a very charmed life and is not at all self evolved yet.
 
...Yet he has clearly fallen out with Mr Federer on a core issue, having backed the introduction of a new rankings system that would score..
I think a more accurate way to say it is the media thinks he has.

Until someone is able to proffer some evidence by way of comment from either player that it is the case then I consider it spurious to claim it has happened.
 
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nadal didnt digest the london bagel and now he's decided to ruin it for everyone
but nadal is rignt: the 2 year ranking system would be able to protect injured players from losing their rank (would have benefited delpotro and Soderling)

so maybe they should just keep the 1 year ranking and add a "protection clause" for injured players.
 
nadal didnt digest the london bagel and now he's decided to ruin it for everyone
but nadal is rignt: the 2 year ranking system would be able to protect injured players from losing their rank (would have benefited delpotro and Soderling)

so maybe they should just keep the 1 year ranking and add a "protection clause" for injured players.

isnt fitness a part of the competition? Why a hard worker with less injuries like Ferrer should wait two years to see his ranking improve but a physical player like Nadal should hold on to his for 2 years?

Taller players are more prone to injuries. Look at Delpo, Sod, Raonic, Isner...

If these guys have to have a clause to keep their ranking then shorter players should have a clause to stand on a bench when they serve.
 
nadal didnt digest the london bagel and now he's decided to ruin it for everyone
but nadal is rignt: the 2 year ranking system would be able to protect injured players from losing their rank (would have benefited delpotro and Soderling)

so maybe they should just keep the 1 year ranking and add a "protection clause" for injured players.

It's already there. There already is a "protected ranking" for injured players.
 
so maybe they should just keep the 1 year ranking and add a "protection clause" for injured players.
we've got a question from Toni N, from manacor:
with this "protection clause", the nadal would still hold the #1 spot as he's always injured, verdad ?
(even if he's playing)


more seriously... for injured players, there's the "protected ranking", and i think it's fine like this.
F. Entry Protection

1) Petition. A player may petition the President, or his designee, for an entry protection when he is physically injured and does not compete in any tennis event, including Special Events – Exhibitions, for a minimum period of six (6) months. The written petition must be received within six (6) months after his last tournament.

2) Calculation and Use. The entry protection shall be a position in the South African Airways ATP Rankings (singles), as determined by the player’s average South African Airways ATP Rankings (singles) position during the fi rst three (3) months of his injury. The entry protection shall be for entry into the main draw or qualifying competition or for special exempt consideration. The entry protection shall not be used for seeding purposes or lucky loser consideration.

3) Limit of Use.

a) If a player is physically injured and does not compete in any tennis event for a period of at least six (6) months but less than twelve (12) months, the entry protection shall be in effect for either the fi rst nine (9) tournaments that the player competes in using the entry protection (excluding wild cards and entries as a direct acceptance with his current position in the ATP Ranking) or for the period up to nine (9) months beginning with the fi rst tennis event, including Special Events – Exhibitions, that the player competes in, whichever occurs first.

b) If a player is physically injured and does not compete in any tennis event for a period of twelve (12) months or longer, the entry protection shall be in effect for either the fi rst twelve (12) tournaments that the player competes in using the entry protection (excluding wild cards and entries as a direct acceptance with his current position in the ATP Ranking) or for the period up to twelve (12) months beginning with the fi rst tennis event, including Special Events – Exhibitions, that the player competes in, whichever occurs first.

4) Expiration Date. A player has three (3) years from the time that the injury occurred to activate his protected ranking. A player who does not compete in any tennis event, including Special Events – Exhibitions, for a period of three (3) years from the date of his injury will have his entry protection revoked.

5) Re-injury Protection. A player who has returned to competition using his protected ranking and re-injures himself may petition for a “freeze” of the nine (9) or twelve (12) month limit for competing using his protected ranking. To be eligible for the “freeze” the player must be out of competition for a minimum of three (3) months. Upon the player’s return to competition he shall have the same number of events and weeks remaining as were available when the “freeze” went into effect. A maximum of two (2) “freezes” are allowed during the nine (9) or twelve (12) month period.

Note: For purposes of this rule, three (3) months is calculated at thirteen (13) weeks; six (6) months is calculated at twenty-six (26) weeks; nine (9) months is calculated at thirty-nine (39) weeks; and twelve (12) months is calculated at fiftytwo (52) weeks.
from: http://www.atpworldtour.com/~/media/C76A3F86616E47DE924BA4DB33173E8A.ashx
(p. 189)

there's even a "re-injury protection" !

PS: i'm sure drakulie will enjoy the mention of "exhibition events"... ;)
 
Apparently he's a pretty immature young man who has led a very charmed life and is not at all self evolved yet.
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apparently? who told you this?
 
Lil Lord Rafaroy...........

This is nothing new, Rafa has always been a spoiled little rich kid.

When he was 14 he was supposed to go to the Sanchez/Casal Academy to train but balked. So Unc T went to the SC academy and brought back coaching and had a court created for Rafa in Manacor.

When Carlos Moya asked Rafa if he would like to have a career as good as Moya's, Rafa said no he wanted on e better (Moya was Rafa's hero till then).

Unc T had had to break up many agruments between Rafa and other players in the players lounge because Rafa would take over the place as if it were his (this led to the Wawrinka and Soderling issues).

I don't even think that Rafa knows that he is out of line because he has always had his way and thinks that it's the norm. So asking for a 2yr ranking system so he can spend more time on his SeaDoo, golf or fish is just another request, along with walking out of the ATP council because he did not get his way. It's good to be rich :twisted:

Maybe a little better yearly planning which has less exhibitions might help, a little, no?

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
 
I'm glad everyone here personally knows Rafa and has witnessed his day-to-day behavior firsthand. Otherwise all of these comments would just be absurd.

:/
 
Mr. Nadal has his own personal interests in changing the game:
- oh if 2 Slams were on clay
- if 2 years were counted in rankings
- if Djokovic, Alcaraz and Med were injured
And so on...
But the guy is not so invested in wins as Djokovic, right ? :rolleyes: what a humble bull cra*
 
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