Tying cross on a main

alexmcnab

Rookie
I usually string my tc95 16x19 2 piece but I'm trying universal atw.

So the last cross (it's actually the next to last cross) should tie off at 11B but that grommet is a little difficult to get to because my support partially blocks it and also there isn't a lot of space to tie the knot because the last main gets in the way.

Not far away is the unused main tie-off at 6B which would be much easier to tie off on and it's only slightly further away. If I tied it there, not only would it be easier to get to, I'd have more room to tie off. I'd also be able to do all my crosses under/over - at the moment I have to go over/under to make sure I can slide the knot over the top on that last knot as I tighten.

Is there any reason I shouldn't be trying off that cross to a main? The only thing I can think of a slightly longer distance and it might not look as pretty on the outside of the frame.

Appreciate any thoughts.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
Under these circumstances, other than the downsides you already mentioned, no there’s really no other reason I can think of why you cant tie off there.

There are sometimes other considerations - say you were stringing 2pc with poly mains and natural gut crosses. Some would avoid tying off the natural gut on the poly mains for fear doing so might damage the natural gut. But, that’s just an example...and obviously you’re not dealing with that kind of situation.
 

kabrac

Semi-Pro
You can tie off on the main, But you could also use an awl to open that BIATCH UP, so next time it's easier to slide in/thru
 

SavvyStringer

Professional
I usually string my tc95 16x19 2 piece but I'm trying universal atw.

So the last cross (it's actually the next to last cross) should tie off at 11B but that grommet is a little difficult to get to because my support partially blocks it and also there isn't a lot of space to tie the knot because the last main gets in the way.

Not far away is the unused main tie-off at 6B which would be much easier to tie off on and it's only slightly further away. If I tied it there, not only would it be easier to get to, I'd have more room to tie off. I'd also be able to do all my crosses under/over - at the moment I have to go over/under to make sure I can slide the knot over the top on that last knot as I tighten.

Is there any reason I shouldn't be trying off that cross to a main? The only thing I can think of a slightly longer distance and it might not look as pretty on the outside of the frame.

Appreciate any thoughts.
When using a one-piece and considering it is typically a main tie off point, I don't see any reason why you could not tie off there.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
It all depends on the knots you use and how you're tying them off. I'm assuming that 11B has the 17th cross in it. That being said your top and bottom crosses would be ran the same and both shoulod intersect the 6th string first. Your bottom cross should first go over the 6th main and the top cross should first go over the 6th main on the opposite side of the racket. When you finish and ypou want to tie off at 11B the anchor string will be on top of the outer main so you can tie the knot between the 7th and 8th mains and have all the room you want making no need for a pro knot.

If you want to tie off on 6B (6th main) would run in the 18 cross to crossover on the long side and then when you finish the bottom cross is very close to your tie off at 6B.

EDIT: Another point if you tie with a DHH sometimes the top knot is a bit loose on the string. If that happens the string tail could actually vibrate if it unties itself especially. I don’t use the DHH but a Parnell and cut the tag ends off pretty short so there will never be any vibration.
 
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alexmcnab

Rookie
It all depends on the knots you use and how you're tying them off. I'm assuming that 11B has the 17th cross in it. That being said your top and bottom crosses would be ran the same and both shoulod intersect the 6th string first. Your bottom cross should first go over the 6th main and the top cross should first go over the 6th main on the opposite side of the racket. When you finish and ypou want to tie off at 11B the anchor string will be on top of the outer main so you can tie the knot between the 7th and 8th mains and have all the room you want making no need for a pro knot.

If you want to tie off on 6B (6th main) would run in the 18 cross to crossover on the long side and then when you finish the bottom cross is very close to your tie off at 6B.
Thanks Irvin, does your 2nd para mean this-
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
i like raket manufacturers that take the time to put tie off indicators on their racquets,, makes this process soo much easier for everyone
i dont like to fight the string when deciding where to tie off,
i tie off where it makes "good "sense, the closer to the last cross/main the better
i dont like long runs on tie offs,, i try to avoid with yonex loop and preplanning
when dealing with natural gut, i tie gut to gut now! experience has though me this..
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks Irvin, does your 2nd para mean this-
Bottom looks good but the top does not but that is more my preference. If I’m doing an ATW pattern with a racket that has an odd number of crosses I cross over on the lowest even main or use the short side to run the top cross. Usually I cross on an even main. My reasoning for that is it makes weaving easier for me. For the short side I prefer to use a Parnell Loop and lock the tie off string behind the anchor string and have little or no drawback on the main I’m tying off.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@alexmcnab, if I'm reading your diagram correctly, that's how I do Babolat's ATW. For all ATW's, I take the 7th main on the short side and weave it as the top cross tying off on the opposite side it normally would. I also do that on normal non-ATW patterns for one-piece, i.e. 16 mains that end at the head. I've been told that it's preferred to keep tension on the outside main. When I string Bab's one-piece, I weave the bottom three crosses using the long side to avoid the two blocked holes at the throat.

In short, looks good to me.
 
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