ZiggyStardust
Professional
Commentators on television blabbering about how that is apparently the best match Roger has ever played.
U.S. Open 2015 QF: Roger Federer (SUI) [2] - Richard Gasquet (FRA) [12]
Emiliano55
Professional
Despite the score, Federer is looking less sharp as the tournament goes on. He started fired up and is slowly fading. His serve has abandoned him, it happened against Isner and today.
Gasquet was a disappointment today, he didn't even try. What a let down.
However, Federer movement still look awesome, but he needs to be less erratic and specially, improve A LOT his serving if he wants to have a shot here. I can imagine Djokovic hitting return winners everywhere already if they both make the final.
Gasquet was a disappointment today, he didn't even try. What a let down.
However, Federer movement still look awesome, but he needs to be less erratic and specially, improve A LOT his serving if he wants to have a shot here. I can imagine Djokovic hitting return winners everywhere already if they both make the final.
Do you ever get tired of this routine? It doesn't matter how Federer plays, you always have something to yap about.
Why do you even bother watching his matches? Sheesh!
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
true, Novak has just been getting by. Still, Cilic is to Djoko what Gasquet is to Federer
But unlike Richard, he actually does have a game, where you could imagine him zoning and beating the crap out of Novak by overpowering him with big serves, punishing, deep and heavy groundies and offensive returns. However, Novak's pretty great at absorbing pace...
Also, Novak usually raises his level when he has to. I would be extremely surprised if the best or very close to the best version of Novak doesn't turn up if it's a Fed-Novak final.
true, that's the thing with these hypotheticals. Would Rafa be dangerous to Fed in the final? Surely, cause he would have played well enough to get there. If Cilic gets there, he'll be dangerous as well and he ain't afraid of the big stage.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Which ignored poster are you arguing against? And yes, Cilic is as good as useless vs. Novak. Still, see my post above. It's not completely unimaginable.
mattosgrant
Banned
Yeah if Cilic beats Djokovic he will be on cloud 9 and he will probably have played amazing since that is such a nightmare match up for him. So while I definitely wouldn't favor him over Fed if they were playing in the semis again, I could see in a hypothetical final as for him beating Djokovic is the ultimate nightmare and hurdle cleared, much more than beating Federer or anyone else here.
Most people believe Cilic wouldn't have been able to beat Djokovic had they met at last years Open despite that he was probably playing the tennis of his life.
Most people believe Cilic wouldn't have been able to beat Djokovic had they met at last years Open despite that he was probably playing the tennis of his life.
Emiliano55. Goodness gracious! 2 games into the match, he starts complaining about Federer's serve. Very negative poster!
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Didn't Gasquet say, during Wimbledon, he was happy to lose to Djokovic. Talk about "loser talk". Yeesh. He was probably happy to lose to Federer tonight as well. With a name like "Richard" (which means power leader) you'd expect him to have a bit of fighting spirit, but I guess his parents grossly miscalculated.
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
true, Novak has just been getting by. Still, Cilic is to Djoko what Gasquet is to Federer
But unlike Richard, he actually does have a game, where you could imagine him zoning and beating the crap out of Novak by overpowering him with big serves, punishing, deep and heavy groundies and offensive returns. However, Novak's pretty great at absorbing pace...
Also, Novak usually raises his level when he has to. I would be extremely surprised if the best or very close to the best version of Novak doesn't turn up if it's a Fed-Novak final.
true, that's the thing with these hypotheticals. Would Rafa be dangerous to Fed in the final? Surely, cause he would have played well enough to get there. If Cilic gets there, he'll be dangerous as well and he ain't afraid of the big stage.
At the semis it is a whole different game I think Cilic and Fed will show up but Ive got to favor Stan and Novak... frankly a more interesting final if that plays out. Cilic can beat Novak.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
ah, I've had him on ignore so long I'd forgotten about his existence... hehe
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
not quite sure I get your first point? Different from? What does the difference entail?
Agree that Novak-Stan would be a more open final. Still, can't help but cheer for Fed to take another one. Wouldn't mind Stan winning it too much either.
Cilic can beat Novak? In theory, yes. But 0-13 begs to differ.
urundai
Professional
True.
Then again, there is always the first time as Stan proved against Djokovic and Nadal last year. If Cilic comes in hot (like last year SF and F at USO), this will be a competitive match.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
If Cilic finds his form from last year, he can def. win it and probably will. Anything shy of that, adv. Djoko though.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
While I agree that he'd have been underdog, I think he'd have stood a much better chance than he does on Friday. If he's ever going to get that elusive win over Novak, it will need to be when he's on top of his game and well-rested. It would also help if it were a minor tournament, in which Djokovic doesn't really give two hoots.
You are getting me wrong. Obviously not same calibre players but it's all about matchup. Just like Gasquet, Murray hasn't got any offensive tools to trouble in form Federer. 5-1 in Slams, 4-1 in WTF and 5-0 in last five meetings dropping just one set and I don't even need to mention his record against Gasquet. It's not just a one match.
My point is, he still can zone against these two/majority of lower field hiding his declined footspeed, explosiveness and loopy RF 97 forehand but Djokovic or Stan Wawrinka will definitely expose it to some degree. I'm not blind fanatic who believe "oh man, GODerer from Wimbledon semis would have taken any version of Djokovic in four sets, how could his level fluctuates so much?" Reality is "GODerer" showed up because he was facing a player who happens to be good matchup for him at biggest stages as evidenced by 9-2 record above Masters level while Djokovic is much higher calibre player than Murray who has always troubled him in Slams and WTFs. If he was facing Djokovic in semis instead of Murray, nobody would be talking about "GODerer" since he doesn't exit anymore unless facing his favourable matchups. Simple as that.
Roger can float on court, walk on water and do whatever he wants against Murrays, Gasquets, Raonics even at the age of 34 while he stopped floating on court against Nadal around in back 2008 at the age of 27 in majority of matches while same happened against Djokovic since 2011. Why? Because these two are good enough to drag him out of his comfort zone, rush him with their grinding patterns and ultimately beat him in GS tournaments even when he is playing well. Same thing above mentioned crew can't do even when he is 34.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
Gasquet is number 9 at the race ranking but 700 points give or take behind Ferrer
doing good in slams but not much everywhere else
Anderson is number 10
doing good in slams but not much everywhere else
Anderson is number 10
racquetreligion
Hall of Fame
blab its their job, they blab
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I am lucky I could not sleep after getting up at 3 AM to check for the Stan match. The Roger match was scheduled after another doubles match, so it was "Not before 5:30 am" as per the schedule posted the previous day. Unless that changed.Roger's match was supposed to be at 4:30. I got up at 3 and couldn't sleep
I can;t say, but someone has used RF-19. hehe. j/k.
What ? I hate cricket. I have no idea what's happening on that front !
LOL, sometimes people on the street ask me "What's the score ?".
Me : What match ?
Person: The India match.
Me: What game/sport ?
Person: Duh ? (looks at me queerly and rolls eyes)
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Deleted member 77403
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Federer is looking fresh for the semis, mentally and physically. I feel he can do two tough battles if it comes to that. Perfect position to be in, and I don't think he has peaked just yet.
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Deleted member 512391
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Well, not quite the same. Federer is still the player with more wins against Djokovic (since 2011) than any other player on tour, including two wins in Majors. Against Nadal, it has been, more or less, only a downfall for him since 2008.
PeteD
Legend
Some day I want to learn the rules of cricket . . . when the teams play in the park near my house (in uniform) they always have a great time!
Since 2011 Djokovic leads him 15-8 or something? Not saying Federer is inferior player/promoting that weak era stuff but a generation younger ATG in his prime will be always favoured over other who is in his fall years. Out of 15 wins, I can mark plenty of those in which Federer played great but still got outplayed by Djokovic. WTF 2012, Two Wimbledon Finals, USO 2011 are few examples. Same I can't say for Murray who also has 6 years age advantage but has just two wins over Federer above Masters level. First it was Federer's worst year since 2003 while in other he was struggling with back injury in WTF 2008.
My Point remains same, even if Federer GOATs against Murray/Gasquet or some lower ranked player, it hardly says anything about his chances against Djokovic, least at this age. Those are his favorable matchups when his game is really on while Djokovic always has got upper gears and he is well capable of beating in form Federer no matter of surface/conditions. Same happened in Wimbledon, Federer zoned against Murray since he allows him do so and that performance raised hopes of Federer fans including myself only to lead huge disappointment. I will try to avoid same mistake. Expectations are lower this time. May be he is carrying better form than Wimbledon, he might beat Djokovic too but Federer from "Semis against Murray" or "Quarters against Gasquet" surely will not show up against Djokovic.
We will see.
Yes, I guess serving 76% 1st serves and winning 87% of them, and hitting 16 aces isn't good enough...... What a tool..... If the Djoker that played in his last match shows up against Fed in this match, Djoker may be eating a few breadsticks fed to him from his backside......
pame
Hall of Fame
Hey, I heard Fed's in the semi's and still in the USO --- you heard that too?
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Only two people move. One throws a ball and the other swats it. The rest of the fielding team hangs around waiting for the ball to come their way. The rest of the batting team sit in the pavilion waiting for their turn to bat.
I really don't call this a sport. Unless you call darts and chess and scrabble a sport...
kishnabe
Talk Tennis Guru
Every drubbing by old erer is the best match he is played....
Comies are ignorant of his peak 2005-06 performances. They are trying to justify this era with his post prime performances against peak players.
Did not know O.L,D,erer is banned.
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Deleted member 55539
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same thing.. i hate cricket.. and i am an indian too.. it is not even a sport.. when people like ramesh powar (google him.. 5 feet 3 inches and a big fat belly) can play cricket in a national sport then i lost complete respect for it..
pame
Hall of Fame
Only two people move. One throws a ball and the other swats it. The rest of the fielding team hangs around waiting for the ball to come their way. The rest of the batting team sit in the pavilion waiting for their turn to bat.
I really don't call this a sport. Unless you call darts and chess and scrabble a sport...
Where that's "smash someone on the head" icon when you need it? Asked by a West Indian.
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
2014 semifinal points defended. Well done, Feds. Me likes. Anything more from here will just form additional icing on the cake.
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Why does Gasquet always go to Federer's forehand? Also coming to the net on Federer's forehand is dumb as well. Dude has no game plan against Federer.
Gazelle
G.O.A.T.
2014 semifinal points defended. Well done, Feds. Me likes. Anything more from here will just form additional icing on the cake.
I no longer care about points, I want that SLAM.
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
I'd like to see that as well, but I wouldn't mind Wawa beating Djok once again either.
Or Cilic for that matter.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
I think I need a need dictionary. Got outplayed at the two US Open semis, where he held MP's? Got outplayed at the WTF where Djoko won one more point than him? And I'd venture to say he didn't exactly play great at this years Wimbledon final either.
Me as well. I'm kind of greedy that way. Wawa winning it all would be ok too though. But come on now, Fed, you gotta win this!
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Deleted member 512391
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Agreed, I just thought that comparison with Nadal's case is not the best.
And you are right, we were all carried away by his SF form at Wimbledon and I expected a win against Djokovic, but ...
The difference I see now is that Djokovic isn't playing that well. No matter what people say, Djokovic's performance on grass in 2015 was probably the best in his career. The way he dismantled Cilic in QF and his level against Federer in the final is something I've never seen from him. But, after that, he's not the same player, so the old man still have a small chance to win the whole thing.
As you said, we'll see.
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
Basically, anyone who gets to the semis isnt just muddling through the draw anymore. Gonna buy some popcorn for the WawErer match. Both highly enjoyable to watch play.
As for Cilic... I see him giving novak a big scare... no idea if he can pull it off. Really 2 stellar semis to watch. There is a sense of anticipation.
abmk
Bionic Poster
2014 semifinal points defended. Well done, Feds. Me likes. Anything more from here will just form additional icing on the cake.
the slam matters the most. Ranking is secondary tbh ... Maybe in 14, it mattered more than it does now since he was close to djoker then ....
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
The slam always matters the most, but the point is he's not expected to win said slam. Therefore anything after defending points is a bonus.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
there's also the seeding benefit. I know Fed winning either the AO or the FO is a looooooong shot. But being seeded 2nd (if he is) can't hurt - nor can it to be seeded 2nd or in the top-4 come Wimbledon next year.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Unfortunately he's unlikely to stay at #2 through the fall since he has to defend titles in Shanghai, and Basel, and finals at the YEC while Murray despite playing more tournaments, I'm pretty sure he has less to defend.
