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Hamnavoe

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After almost three years’ worth of qualifying whittling 55 European nations down to 24, including an additional year of postponement, in a month’s time to today, the 11th of June 2021, Euro 2020 will finally kick off. Rome’s Stadio Olimpico hosts a match between Turkey and Italy which will signal the start of a month of tournament football played across 11 different countries culminating in the grand final at the 90,000 capacity Wembley Stadium in London.

Five years ago, Portugal took their first European title, edging out hosts France 1-0 after extra time in Paris, and the complement of countries competing at this year’s finals is fairly similar, with 20 of the 24 teams represented at Euro 2016 appearing this time too, albeit with a somewhat reshuffled hierarchy of abilities.

Group A sees the tournament comeback of Italy, the four-time world and one-time European champions who stunningly missed out on the 2018 World Cup but bounced back with 10 wins from 10 in qualification for this tournament, joined by consistent tournament qualifiers Switzerland, Nations League finalists in 2019, Turkey and Wales, semi-finalists in the 2008 and 2016 Euros respectively.

Belgium are the leading side in Group B, having reached the semi-finals of the last World Cup and currently being ranked first by the FIFA World rankings. They are joined by Russia, who impressed as tournament hosts in 2018, Denmark, who famously stunned the continent by winning the 1992 championships as a late inclusion after the withdrawal of Yugoslavia, and Finland, who have made the first major tournament in their 117-year history as a team.

In Group C, the sleeping giants of the Netherlands return, resurgent after absence from the major tournaments of 2016 and 2018, along with Ukraine, managed by their greatest ever player in 2004 Ballon d’or winner Andriy Shevchenko, Austria, 2008 co-hosts seeking their first win at a European Championship tournament after six futile matches across two previous entries, and Macedonia, the second tournament debutants who shocked Germany in World Cup qualifiers in March.

Group D hosts joint tournament favourites England, who will hope to lift the trophy in July in front of a home crowd but must first negotiate the challenge of their World Cup semi-final conquerors Croatia, who consistently punch above their weight among larger and wealthier nations. Completing the group are the Czech Republic, runners-up in 1996, and Scotland, finally back at tournament football following a 23-year absence.

In Group E three-time champions Spain seek to re-establish continental dominance following a series of disappointing tournaments performances which have failed to yield even a quarter-final place since their Euro 2012 victory. Sweden may be helped by the return of the evergreen Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who will face off against another formidable forward foe in Robert Lewandowski of Poland, who were quarter-finalists at Euro 2016. Slovakia complete the group following play-off wins over the Republic and then Northern Ireland.

Group F looks to be the most intriguing, as world champions France will have a score to settle against Portugal, their conquerors at the last edition five years ago, while 2014 world champions Germany seem to be in a malaise but could prove to be an incredibly dangerous proposition should the soon-to-depart Jogi Low make his array of talented players dovetail effectively. Hungary, who reached the knockout stages in 2016, round out the Group of Death.

The top two from each group, along with the four best third-placed teams, all make it into the last 16, from which point they will play a straight knockout tournament leading up to the final in London on July 11.

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Feña14

G.O.A.T.
Great write up!

I've always enjoyed the Euro's more than World Cups, the latter can take awhile to get going with the group stages feeling like they go on for ever. The Euro's are more streamlined and it feels like every game means something.

Hard to look past France for me. I think England are only joint favourites on account of France having the toughest group and i'm guessing most of the money being placed has gone on England, so the odds are reflecting that. They have the squad capable of winning it (centre back and keeper probably being the weak points), but you know what England are like at major tournaments. You just know it will all end in tears :laughing:

Of the teams slightly further back in the pack, Portugal have a better team than last time when they won it and Italy would be my outside bet. They've had a good couple of years and with Serie A in trouble/Juventus facing expulsion from the league? The National team usually does well when there's a scandal around them (82 and 06). Maybe they make it a hat-trick.

Who you got, @Hamnavoe ?
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
Great write up!

I've always enjoyed the Euro's more than World Cups, the latter can take awhile to get going with the group stages feeling like they go on for ever. The Euro's are more streamlined and it feels like every game means something.

Hard to look past France for me. I think England are only joint favourites on account of France having the toughest group and i'm guessing most of the money being placed has gone on England, so the odds are reflecting that. They have the squad capable of winning it (centre back and keeper probably being the weak points), but you know what England are like at major tournaments. You just know it will all end in tears :laughing:

Of the teams slightly further back in the pack, Portugal have a better team than last time when they won it and Italy would be my outside bet. They've had a good couple of years and with Serie A in trouble/Juventus facing expulsion from the league? The National team usually does well when there's a scandal around them (82 and 06). Maybe they make it a hat-trick.

Who you got, @Hamnavoe ?
Thank you.

I've got a good feeling for Belgium. They've got probably the second softest group they could have got to ease themselves into the swing of things (though Denmark have actually got a more impressive team than I'd thought) and assuming they win their group, they land on what should be the easier side of the draw, with a third-placed team in the second round, followed up by Italy in the quarters and one of France/Portugal/Germany in the semis. This is probably going to be pretty much the last tournament where their golden generation is in their prime, so I think they'll be throwing everything at it. Also for my money they were the most impressive team at the last World Cup, and with a little more luck could have won it.

England have a nightmare path. If they do manage to negotiate the tricky Group D as winners, they will then get the runners up of Group F (France/Portugal/Germany), followed up by Spain and then the Netherlands, with another top team surely to wait in the final. They've got a load of talented players, particularly going forwards, but I'm not sure I fancy Southgate as a manager to be able to combine all of their ability into a coherent team which will be able to beat a series of other top teams.

France are a weird one because they've done very well at the last few tournaments but have never really impressed me. They couldn't break down a mediocre and stodgy Portuguese side in the last Euros and then they struggled at times even while winning the World Cup, with their win over Croatia given a huge helping hand by some bizarre refereeing decisions. I'm going to be a bit bold and predict a second round deafeat by England for them, with the Spanish taking the English out in the next round.

I'm chuffed and still stunned Scotland are even going, but I'm not very optimistic - the team is slowly improving, but the likes of England and Croatia are still several levels above us. Czech Republic in the first game is the big one - win and we've got a fantastic chance of going through, lose or draw and it'll be very tough. I predict a draw in that one, a narrow defeat but gallant performance vs England and then a bit of a blowout vs Croatia to send us packing early unfortunately.
 

Gizo

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I thought the Euros were perfect when they had 16 teams, as the groups were incredibly tight, the draw was perfectly balanced and there was none of this 'best 3rd place team' nonsense. I wasn't in favour of the expansion, but there's no going back now. Euro 2000 is one of the very best tournaments that I've ever seen (it had absolutely everything), and Euro 2008 was incredible as well.

I thought that Euro 2016 was a boring and poor quality tournament (also summed up by the fact that Pepe was clearly Portugal's best player - even Ronaldo basically admitted that), so hopefully this one will be more entertaining.

Like at the 2018 World Cup, I've predicted another France-Belgium semi-final with the winner lifting the trophy but we'll see. I have a soft spot for Portugal having spent so much time in the country for work and leisure, so I would be very happy if they with their squad which is significantly stronger than their one from 4 years ago defend their title. But we'll see how they get on in their group first.

I really hope I can see England win something in my lifetime, it would be a very big disappointment if that doesn't happen. But it's England we'll talking about so if we reach the knockout stages as we hopefully will do, I'd still expect us to lose the first quality team that we face in the knockout stages as is par for the course !

For what's it worth, the teams that will play all 3 of their group games at home:

Group A - Italy
Group B - Denmark
Group C - Netherlands
Group D - England
Group E - Spain
Group F - Germany
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
I thought the Euros were perfect when they had 16 teams, as the groups were incredibly tight, the draw was perfectly balanced and there was none of this 'best 3rd place team' nonsense. I wasn't in favour of the expansion, but there's no going back now. Euro 2000 is one of the very best tournaments that I've ever seen (it had absolutely everything), and Euro 2008 was incredible as well.

I thought that Euro 2016 was a boring and poor quality tournament (also summed up by the fact that Pepe was clearly Portugal's best player - even Ronaldo basically admitted that), so hopefully this one will be more entertaining.

Like at the 2018 World Cup, I've predicted another France-Belgium semi-final with the winner lifting the trophy but we'll see. I have a soft spot for Portugal having spent so much time in the country for work and leisure, so I would be very happy if they with their squad which is significantly stronger than their one from 4 years ago defend their title. But we'll see how they get on in their group first.

I really hope I can see England win something in my lifetime, it would be a very big disappointment if that doesn't happen. But it's England we'll talking about so if we reach the knockout stages as we hopefully will do, I'd still expect us to lose the first quality team that we face in the knockout stages as is par for the course !

For what's it worth, the teams that will play all 3 of their group games at home:

Group A - Italy
Group B - Denmark
Group C - Netherlands
Group D - England
Group E - Spain
Group F - Germany

I like Portugal, their squad is so much better than it was 5 years ago. Ronaldo isn't at his peak, but he's still up there. Dias and Cancelo at the back, Bernardo Silva, Andre Silva scoring for fun in Germany, Felix will no doubt enjoy the freedom he's been starved of under Simeone. I've always felt like Portugal go one round further than i'd expect them to, they're well in the mix for me.

Always got my fingers crossed for England, like @Hamnavoe i'm not convinced about Southgate. Stones and Maguire feel like they've got a brain fade in them at some point also. I've heard some people saying England should treat this tournament as a freebie, go out there and have fun, get some experience for the young players, be bold in selection (throw Bellingham in as a 17 year old, let Foden and Mount off the leash etc..). It's an option with only 18 months to go, but we'll see what Southgate does.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
Thank you.

I've got a good feeling for Belgium. They've got probably the second softest group they could have got to ease themselves into the swing of things (though Denmark have actually got a more impressive team than I'd thought) and assuming they win their group, they land on what should be the easier side of the draw, with a third-placed team in the second round, followed up by Italy in the quarters and one of France/Portugal/Germany in the semis. This is probably going to be pretty much the last tournament where their golden generation is in their prime, so I think they'll be throwing everything at it. Also for my money they were the most impressive team at the last World Cup, and with a little more luck could have won it.

England have a nightmare path. If they do manage to negotiate the tricky Group D as winners, they will then get the runners up of Group F (France/Portugal/Germany), followed up by Spain and then the Netherlands, with another top team surely to wait in the final. They've got a load of talented players, particularly going forwards, but I'm not sure I fancy Southgate as a manager to be able to combine all of their ability into a coherent team which will be able to beat a series of other top teams.

France are a weird one because they've done very well at the last few tournaments but have never really impressed me. They couldn't break down a mediocre and stodgy Portuguese side in the last Euros and then they struggled at times even while winning the World Cup, with their win over Croatia given a huge helping hand by some bizarre refereeing decisions. I'm going to be a bit bold and predict a second round deafeat by England for them, with the Spanish taking the English out in the next round.

I'm chuffed and still stunned Scotland are even going, but I'm not very optimistic - the team is slowly improving, but the likes of England and Croatia are still several levels above us. Czech Republic in the first game is the big one - win and we've got a fantastic chance of going through, lose or draw and it'll be very tough. I predict a draw in that one, a narrow defeat but gallant performance vs England and then a bit of a blowout vs Croatia to send us packing early unfortunately.

Belgium are a good shout, although I did feel that the last World Cup was their shot at it. It felt like they had been slowly building to it over a number of years, and I agree about them being the most impressive in that tournament, it just didn't happen. Hazard isn't what he once was, Vertonghen and Alderweireld are well into their 30's and past their best etc.. Lukaku is in great form though and we all know what De Bruyne can do, so they're definitely in the running. I think you're right to bring attention to the draw too, some teams are going to have run a gauntlet to even make the semi's, whilst some might have it slightly easier. That could have a big say.

Regarding Scotland, it feels like they would of been better off if this was a World Cup. Maybe get someone like Iraq and Trinidad in the group stages to get some confidence and experience. The group they have got isn't the strongest, but it does feel like it will be a big step up for them at this stage of their development. I think they could spring the odd surprise though, I do like their midfield. McGinn is a good player, McTominay too. Gilmour (if selected) has shown he has the ability to mix it with the best in the game, despite his age. If you've got a good midfield in todays game? You're always going to have a chance of doing something.
 

Hamnavoe

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Belgium are a good shout, although I did feel that the last World Cup was their shot at it. It felt like they had been slowly building to it over a number of years, and I agree about them being the most impressive in that tournament, it just didn't happen. Hazard isn't what he once was, Vertonghen and Alderweireld are well into their 30's and past their best etc.. Lukaku is in great form though and we all know what De Bruyne can do, so they're definitely in the running. I think you're right to bring attention to the draw too, some teams are going to have run a gauntlet to even make the semi's, whilst some might have it slightly easier. That could have a big say.

Regarding Scotland, it feels like they would of been better off if this was a World Cup. Maybe get someone like Iraq and Trinidad in the group stages to get some confidence and experience. The group they have got isn't the strongest, but it does feel like it will be a big step up for them at this stage of their development. I think they could spring the odd surprise though, I do like their midfield. McGinn is a good player, McTominay too. Gilmour (if selected) has shown he has the ability to mix it with the best in the game, despite his age. If you've got a good midfield in todays game? You're always going to have a chance of doing something.
What sort of a player is Gilmour? I think the midfield could use a bit more creativity, though it is the best stocked area of the team. McGinn and McTominay both offer very good energy and a bit of aptitude on the ball too (the McGinn crouching over the ball special is always useful when defending a lead) and then there's the steady sideways passing brigade of Callum McGregor, Ryan Jack and Kenny McLean (who will miss the tournament with injury, but bless him, I don't think even his mum would notice if he was playing). Stuart Armstrong also has pretty good pedigree though I don't quite know what purpose he serves.

The main thing that must be done is wrap Kieran Tierney in whatever protective equipment is available, because he is head and shoulders above any other player in the team. I wouldn't know for sure because I don't watch too much top level football but I think he has the ability to play for any club or national team in the world. And if he were to get injured then the alternative for his position - left sided centre back - would probably be an immobile lump from Motherwell, and the things England's array of world class forwards would do to him hardly bares thinking about,
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
What sort of a player is Gilmour? I think the midfield could use a bit more creativity, though it is the best stocked area of the team. McGinn and McTominay both offer very good energy and a bit of aptitude on the ball too (the McGinn crouching over the ball special is always useful when defending a lead) and then there's the steady sideways passing brigade of Callum McGregor, Ryan Jack and Kenny McLean (who will miss the tournament with injury, but bless him, I don't think even his mum would notice if he was playing). Stuart Armstrong also has pretty good pedigree though I don't quite know what purpose he serves.

The main thing that must be done is wrap Kieran Tierney in whatever protective equipment is available, because he is head and shoulders above any other player in the team. I wouldn't know for sure because I don't watch too much top level football but I think he has the ability to play for any club or national team in the world. And if he were to get injured then the alternative for his position - left sided centre back - would probably be an immobile lump from Motherwell, and the things England's array of world class forwards would do to him hardly bares thinking about,

I like Tierney, when he's on he's excellent (although I think that has more to do with how sporadically Arsenal decide to perform than anything else :laughing: ). I like Robertson at left back more though! He's one hell of a player, probably only Alphonso Davies is better at the position, but Robertson is World Class, no doubt about it. With him whipping balls in and some big fellas up top? Scotland will score goals.

Gilmour has been compared to Xavi. They're both tiny, have no pace and a good gust of wind will blow them over.. but they're technically excellent. He plays as a deep lying playmaker for Chelsea (Jorginho's back up, essentially). I've not seen him play further up in a more attacking/creative role but from what i've seen, he's got the ability to do it if that's what the team is missing. I'm not sure if he will go to the Euro's, Steve Clarke said he will need to play games if he's to be picked, but he's played every minute of the last two league games (and played very well) so he should be in with a chance.
 

bezs

G.O.A.T.
The Oranje would probably perform better if Frank de Boer wasn't in charge.

Portugal have an immensely talented squad if they can fulfill the potential.
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
I like Tierney, when he's on he's excellent (although I think that has more to do with how sporadically Arsenal decide to perform than anything else :laughing: ). I like Robertson at left back more though! He's one hell of a player, probably only Alphonso Davies is better at the position, but Robertson is World Class, no doubt about it. With him whipping balls in and some big fellas up top? Scotland will score goals.

Gilmour has been compared to Xavi. They're both tiny, have no pace and a good gust of wind will blow them over.. but they're technically excellent. He plays as a deep lying playmaker for Chelsea (Jorginho's back up, essentially). I've not seen him play further up in a more attacking/creative role but from what i've seen, he's got the ability to do it if that's what the team is missing. I'm not sure if he will go to the Euro's, Steve Clarke said he will need to play games if he's to be picked, but he's played every minute of the last two league games (and played very well) so he should be in with a chance.
Robertson is strange, because I've seen him praised very highly for his Liverpool performances but as far as his games for Scotland he looks extremely run of the mill. I've got a theory that he's just the absolutely perfect player for the Klopp system but take him out of it and he doesn't look so good. He's a decent player - probably filed into the same category as McGinn or McTominay, if not slightly below, but I don't think he's nearly as good as Tierney.

That's good to hear about Gilmour going forwards. It's always nice to have promising youngsters coming through at big clubs, so he should be a good asset whenever he's ready.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
Robertson is strange, because I've seen him praised very highly for his Liverpool performances but as far as his games for Scotland he looks extremely run of the mill. I've got a theory that he's just the absolutely perfect player for the Klopp system but take him out of it and he doesn't look so good. He's a decent player - probably filed into the same category as McGinn or McTominay, if not slightly below, but I don't think he's nearly as good as Tierney.

That's good to hear about Gilmour going forwards. It's always nice to have promising youngsters coming through at big clubs, so he should be a good asset whenever he's ready.

Interesting! You could be right about the Klopp system. Alexander-Arnold has never quite looked like the same player for England as he has at Liverpool, even prior to this dip in form domestically this year.

It makes sense I guess, Klopp has that crazy high line and Liverpool at their best are usually dominating possession. TAA and Robertson don't have that at International level. Would be nice if we were both dominating like Liverpool last year, but I can't see it happening :-D
 

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Hopefully Suarez plays for England this year.

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Gizo

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I like Portugal, their squad is so much better than it was 5 years ago. Ronaldo isn't at his peak, but he's still up there. Dias and Cancelo at the back, Bernardo Silva, Andre Silva scoring for fun in Germany, Felix will no doubt enjoy the freedom he's been starved of under Simeone. I've always felt like Portugal go one round further than i'd expect them to, they're well in the mix for me.

Always got my fingers crossed for England, like @Hamnavoe i'm not convinced about Southgate. Stones and Maguire feel like they've got a brain fade in them at some point also. I've heard some people saying England should treat this tournament as a freebie, go out there and have fun, get some experience for the young players, be bold in selection (throw Bellingham in as a 17 year old, let Foden and Mount off the leash etc..). It's an option with only 18 months to go, but we'll see what Southgate does.

I think many people in Portugal were worried about their defensive options when they playing Pepe and Fonte both in their late 30s, before Dias excelled for City last season (I think before joining City he played pretty well whenever he was given the chance for Portugal as well). Hopefully Fernandes isn't too jaded from his stellar season with Man Utd as well.

Yes I'm also not convinced about Southgate as well. I thought he was pretty lucky to get the job in the first place given that the most notable thing that happened under his managerial career previously was Middlesbrough's relegation in 2009 (though I think he was harshly sacked the next season when they made a decent start in the Championship). I'm not sure whether he is the right person to mould together the talented players that we have, but I would love to see him proving me wrong. England winning knockout matches at major tournaments is still not exactly a common occurrence. One think I like about Southgate, is that he is more likely to consider which players are in-form and not in-form, while others like Sven were very stubborn in deviating away from their favourite XI.

One of the main frustrations following England in the past, has been our inability to keep the ball. I don't think anyone expected them to play like Spain at their pomp, but I always thought that one of the reason why our players seemed so tired was that they had to spend too much time chasing, hustling and trying to win the ball back especially in big games.
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
I think many people in Portugal were worried about their defensive options when they playing Pepe and Fonte both in their late 30s, before Dias excelled for City last season (I think before joining City he played pretty well whenever he was given the chance for Portugal as well). Hopefully Fernandes isn't too jaded from his stellar season with Man Utd as well.

Yes I'm also not convinced about Southgate as well. I thought he was pretty lucky to get the job in the first place given that the most notable thing that happened under his managerial career previously was Middlesbrough's relegation in 2009 (though I think he was harshly sacked the next season when they made a decent start in the Championship). I'm not sure whether he is the right person to mould together the talented players that we have, but I would love to see him proving me wrong. England winning knockout matches at major tournaments is still not exactly a common occurrence. One think I like about Southgate, is that he is more likely to consider which players are in-form and not in-form, while others like Sven were very stubborn in deviating away from their favourite XI.

One of the main frustrations following England in the past, has been our inability to keep the ball. I don't think anyone expected them to play like Spain at their pomp, but I always thought that one of the reason why our players seemed so tired was that they had to spend too much time chasing, hustling and trying to win the ball back especially in big games.

To be fair to Southgate, it seems like he's created a pretty good atmosphere around the team. In the past it felt like the players always turned up to tournaments scared, waiting to be knocked out and trying not to be the one who came home to fans abusing them, appearing in Pizza Hut adverts after they missed the decisive penalty etc.. Last time out in Russia they seemed to have a belief and looked like they were enjoying themselves out there.

Having said all that, tactically I don't think he offers anything. In one off knockout games between sides who aren't used to playing together and (imo) a level considerably lower than what the best club sides in Europe produce, the games seem to hinge on having the best game plan, making changes in game, the right substitutes at the right time etc.. I don't think Southgate is the man for that, but we'll see.

You could be right on that, the general consensus has always been players are tired because of the relentless pace of the Premier League and no winter break. Inefficient performances could well be a big part of it too. It seems that England have the players to keep the ball and play some nice stuff this time round, so hopefully we'll see a bit more of that.
 

Gizo

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To be fair to Southgate, it seems like he's created a pretty good atmosphere around the team. In the past it felt like the players always turned up to tournaments scared, waiting to be knocked out and trying not to be the one who came home to fans abusing them, appearing in Pizza Hut adverts after they missed the decisive penalty etc.. Last time out in Russia they seemed to have a belief and looked like they were enjoying themselves out there.

Having said all that, tactically I don't think he offers anything. In one off knockout games between sides who aren't used to playing together and (imo) a level considerably lower than what the best club sides in Europe produce, the games seem to hinge on having the best game plan, making changes in game, the right substitutes at the right time etc.. I don't think Southgate is the man for that, but we'll see.

You could be right on that, the general consensus has always been players are tired because of the relentless pace of the Premier League and no winter break. Inefficient performances could well be a big part of it too. It seems that England have the players to keep the ball and play some nice stuff this time round, so hopefully we'll see a bit more of that.

Yes the players seem far more united now than they did in previous eras, with clubs rivalries going out the door when they turn up for international duty.

When Ferdinand said a few years ago that during his career, the Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool players (3 of the best clubs in Europe at time) often didn't socialise with each other too much when on England duty because they didn't want to give each other any advantages when they returned to their clubs, that wasn't a big surprise to me.

And I remember previously watching us under Sven could be infuriating with the players that we had at the time. We are often so negative and cautious, and even in a qualifying match again Liechtenstein for example, we'd typically only win 2-0. And he would often bring on Owen Hargreaves (who I personally think should always have been a regular starter alongside both Lampard and Gerrard in a 3 man midfield given his ability as a defensive midfielder) as a late sub with 10 minutes left, even when we were losing 1-0 to Northern Ireland. I guess the fact that Hargreaves, Terry and Ferdinand were our 3 best best performers at the 2006 World Cup kind of paints a picture of the way we played.

The English domestic schedule with a 20 team Premier League league, FA Cup replays in the past and a 2nd domestic cup can be brutal, plus in the previous eras we've suffered from both the no. of English players getting regular Premier League football decreasing, very few players joining clubs in other top leagues in Spain, Germany and Italy.
Sancho swapping spending a lot of time Man City's bench for regular Bundesliga and Champions League football with Dortmund, was definitely a big positive.
 
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TheNachoMan

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Portugal have a solid squad. Ronaldo, Andre Silva, Bernardo Silva, Bruno Fernandes, Ruben Dias, Joao Felix, etc. Perfect opportunity for Ronaldo to go clear in the GOAT race. 3 international trophies to 0 would be game over
 
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this is fun
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
My best England team.....

Pickford

Arnold - Stones - McGuire - Shaw

Rice - Grealish - Foden

Rashford - Kane -Sancho


Scotland team....

Marshall

Paterson -Gallagher - Teirney -Robertson

McTominay - McGinn - Gilmour

Forrest - Adams - Wright


I watched the first half of a Chelsea game last week and Gilmour looked like he was on a different level to the other 19 outfied players on the park.

Arguably the best player Scotland has produced since Gordon Strachan.

Scott Wright of Rangers will not be in the squad but with his skills and incredible top speed he offers the creativity that Scotland lack.

Che Adams is such a strong back to goal striker and i am hoping he can help Scotland make the second round with his assists and goals.

France are very strong but i fancy England if Southgate does not play with two holding midfielders.

Not long to go now until they announce the squad, next Tuesday, I believe?

Pickford

Walker Maguire Stones

James Rice Bellingham Chilwell

Foden Mount

Kane

Maguire and Stones have a howler in them. Dithering on the ball, a lazy pass out, getting out of position and wrestling someone down.. Pickford behind them doesn't inspire much confidence either. 3 at the back gives me a bit of protection from those concerns. The protection also allows Bellingham to do what he does, which he probably needs at this stage of his career. Two wing backs providing plenty of width and playing in a position they have done all year would be good to see. It also allows Foden and Mount total freedom to do what they like behind Kane. Another advantage is in such a compact tournament against teams who aren't used to playing together, it's a formation that is hard for teams to get their head around and find solutions to break down. You have to find answers quickly or you're going home.

I fully expect Southgate to go with the standard 4-2-3-1, but that's what i'd like to see, personally. It's the system he used in the World Cup last time and it proved to be very successful. This time round we've got players who fit it better and have played it at club level before.
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
My best England team.....

Pickford

Arnold - Stones - McGuire - Shaw

Rice - Grealish - Foden

Rashford - Kane -Sancho


Scotland team....

Marshall

Paterson -Gallagher - Teirney -Robertson

McTominay - McGinn - Gilmour

Forrest - Adams - Wright


I watched the first half of a Chelsea game last week and Gilmour looked like he was on a different level to the other 19 outfied players on the park.

Arguably the best player Scotland has produced since Gordon Strachan.

Scott Wright of Rangers will not be in the squad but with his skills and incredible top speed he offers the creativity that Scotland lack.

Che Adams is such a strong back to goal striker and i am hoping he can help Scotland make the second round with his assists and goals.

France are very strong but i fancy England if Southgate does not play with two holding midfielders.
On the Scottish team:

The right back, whether in a four or a five, will be Stephen O'Donnell. Clarke's love affair with the guy stretches back to their time together at Kilmarnock, and to be fair O'Donnell is reliable and hasn't let anyone down in a Scotland shirt. I'm assuming your Paterson is Callum Paterson (not young Nathan, who has emerged at Rangers recently), and to that end I'd say I'm not sure he's much of a right back. That was where he settled at Hearts after a time as a striker, but last I knew he'd morphed into a sort of box to box midfielder. IMO Hibs right back Paul McGinn should be in the squad, having played every minute up to the last day in Scotland's third best defence, but Clarke doesn't seem to fancy him much.

I don't think Gallagher will be a starter, though has been decent in previous Scotland appearances. Clarke seemed to have settled on Grant Hanley and Jack Hendry next to Tierney in a three at the last international break, with the likes of Gallagher, Scott McKenna and Andy Considine as reserve. Personally I think there's no justification for Considine or Gallagher to be ahead of Paul Hanlon in the pecking order, but like I say Clarke has his favourites.

Gilmour could be an interesting one to bring along but I think Clarke will prefer Callum McGregor in his three. David Turnbull of Celtic is another uncapped one who could be a smart inclusion; he's been a bright spark in a terrible season for them.

I agree on Adams - he looked very sharp and a big upgrade on the hard working but often lumbering Lyndon Dykes up front. James Forrest is someone who I have never taken to or been very impressed by, and like you say Wright won't be in the squad - in fact I don't think I've ever seen him play, for Rangers or Aberdeen before, which is strange because he's been around a few years. Up with Adams will likely be the quick and tricky Ryan Fraser and the creative Ryan Christie, if past selections are anything to go by.

My team would be:
Marshall
P. McGinn Hanley Tierney Robertson
J. McGinn McGregor McTominay
Christie Adams Fraser
 

Mac33

Professional
Nathan Paterson i was meaning the other Paterson is never late for his dinner and usually comes back for seconds and sometimes thirds.

I do agree with you that Paul McGinn being a very good right back. He rarely loses possession especially.

Gallagher is better than Hanley in terms of ability to retain possession i feel. He is a beautiful passer of the ball.

Christie will likely start but would not even be in my squad. He has a wand of a left foot but his decision making is poor to shocking.

Lewis Morgan of Miami is another that should be in the squad. He was their player of the year and offers plenty of speed and can use both feet equally well.
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
Nathan Paterson i was meaning the other Paterson is never late for his dinner and usually comes back for seconds and sometimes thirds.

I do agree with you that Paul McGinn being a very good right back. He rarely loses possession especially.

Gallagher is better than Hanley in terms of ability to retain possession i feel. He is a beautiful passer of the ball.

Christie will likely start but would not even be in my squad. He has a wand of a left foot but his decision making is poor to shocking.

Lewis Morgan of Miami is another that should be in the squad. He was their player of the year and offers plenty of speed and can use both feet equally well.
I don't think Nathan Paterson would be near my squad. Only 7 league appearances for Rangers vs O'Donnell and McGinn, who have been pretty much ever present. I suspect however that Clarke will bring O'Donnell and Liam Palmer, who he also seems to like.

I wouldn't describe any of the Scottish defenders as very good on the ball, Tierney aside. Gallagher has always seemed to me like a bit of a lumbering oak, very good defensively and in the air but not a brilliant footballer, but I don't watch Motherwell games so maybe I'm wrong on that. Hanley is also pretty inelegant, but he has been a regular player in a very good Norwich City side so I expect he will get the nod as first-choice. McKenna might be a bit better on the ball, as is Ryan Porteous, but I think both of them, Porteous in particular, are too error-prone and unreliable to be starters.

I was surprised to find that Celtic fans seem to despise Christie as I always think he looks to be one of their better players. He scored his brilliant goal vs Serbia in the play-offs and charmed everyone with his interview afterwards, so I'm sure Clarke will bring him along.

Morgan is an interesting shout, he was very impressive coming through at St Mirren but couldn't break through at Celtic. As a pacy winger he would be a good option to have around the squad if we need something different to throw on late in games, because the first 11 as it usually is generally lacks speed.
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
Karim Benzema to be included in the French squad again after six years of absence, apparently.

Ibrahimovic is missing out on his Sweden return through injury.
 

Mac33

Professional
I watched the 120 minute playoff match Serbia v Scotland.

Declan Gallagher played as a sweeper behind McTominay and Tierney and was imperious on the ball throughout. Scotland dominated possession for the first 70 minutes and his composure and passing were a clear standout.

Contrast this with Grant Hanley's last few matches for Scotland where his distribution from the back looks very shaky by comparison.
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
I watched the 120 minute playoff match Serbia v Scotland.

Declan Gallagher played as a sweeper behind McTominay and Tierney and was imperious on the ball throughout. Scotland dominated possession for the first 70 minutes and his composure and passing were a clear standout.

Contrast this with Grant Hanley's last few matches for Scotland where his distribution from the back looks very shaky by comparison.
Scottish squad announced:

Goalkeepers: Craig Gordon, David Marshall, Jon McLaughlin

Defenders: Stephen O'Donnell, Nathan Patterson, Kieran Tierney, Andy Robertson, Declan Gallagher, Grant Hanley, Liam Cooper, Jack Hendry, Scott McKenna, Greg Taylor

Midfielders: David Turnbull, John McGinn, Stuart Armstrong, Callum McGregor, Billy Gilmour, Scott McTominay, John Fleck

Forwards: Ryan Fraser, James Forrest, Ryan Christie, Che Adams, Lyndon Dykes, Kevin Nisbet
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
Nathan Patterson, Rangers' reserve right-back, being picked after just 7 league appearances over Paul McGinn, the most consistent player in the third-best team in Scotland in Hibs who didn't miss a minute until the last game of the season, is probably the most Scotland squad selection imaginable.
 

Mac33

Professional
I read on the BBC he played 14 games but what matters the most is he showed at times outstanding skills and a willingness to get forward at every opportunity.

He looks a class player to me and well ahead of O;Donnell for ability.

From the squad i think a 3-5-2 is best with Adams and Forrest up front.

McGinn,Gilmour and McGregor in midfield.

Paterson and Robertson out wide.

McTominay,Tierney and Gallagher at the back with Craig Gordon in goal.

I think for sheer ability Billy Gilmour looks well ahead of the rest. Tierney and James Forrest our next best players.
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
I read on the BBC he played 14 games but what matters the most is he showed at times outstanding skills and a willingness to get forward at every opportunity.

He looks a class player to me and well ahead of O;Donnell for ability.

From the squad i think a 3-5-2 is best with Adams and Forrest up front.

McGinn,Gilmour and McGregor in midfield.

Paterson and Robertson out wide.

McTominay,Tierney and Gallagher at the back with Craig Gordon in goal.

I think for sheer ability Billy Gilmour looks well ahead of the rest. Tierney and James Forrest our next best players.
As far as I'm concerned with Patterson, had he played a really strong half season at a non Old Firm club, say Dundee United, he would not even have entered Steve Clarke's thought processes. I say this because that is the case on the left side of defence, where Clarke has selected Greg Taylor of Celtic, who their fans don't seem to rate, over Josh Doig of Hibs, a young player who has had an outstanding breakthrough season such that he won the Writers' Young Player of the Year award, ahead of David Turnbull, who has been named in the squad (and just so happens to play for one of the Old Firm).

The media invents these narratives around Old Firm players, the likes of Patterson and Turnbull, and the squad is often picked accordingly. There is no media apparatus to back up say Lewis Ferguson of Aberdeen, who has had a fine season, was nominated as Young Player of the Year and outscored Turnbull in a significantly worse team, or Doig.

Another few who I think have been overlooked are Jason Kerr and Shaun Rooney of St Johnstone. If Kerr played in Glasgow he would already be in the double figures of caps - fantastic in the air, good with the ball at his feet, very disciplined and a leader, having been the St Johnstone captain for several years despite being just 24. Rooney is a wing-back with excellent drive who can put good balls into the box and defends solidly but is also a fine header of the ball and a good option from set pieces.

I agree that 3-5-2 is the shape we will see, though I doubt McTominay will be one of the 3 - he'll probably play alongside McGinn and McGregor in the midfield, with some combination of the centre-backs joining Tierney at the back. I think up front we will see Adams playing off Dykes, as I think Ryan Fraser is coming back off quite a significant injury so may not be sharp enough to be a starter.

Are you a fan of any particular team or just the game in general?
 

Mac33

Professional
I do not follow any team i just enjoy the game.

My team i selected is not is not the one i think Clarke will select just my preferred team based on the ability of the players he selected.

Scott Booth is another who could have been selected. He has a superb cross in him.

Rooney is similar to Oliver Burke but i am not sure if he can play. I will see this Saturday in the Cup Final.

Jason Kerr does look quite classy and should have been given a run in one of the earlier squads.

You are a bit harsh on Paterson. He looks light years ahead of O'Donnell to me. Much closer ball control and just keeps the ball better. Automatic choice to me.

I think Clarke will go for....

Marshall

Hendry,Tierney Hanley

O;Donnell and Robertson

McTominay,McGinn and McGregor

Dykes and Adams up front.


He might add Armstrong to the midfield and push McGinn up front with Adams effectively dropping Dykes from the team.

I do not mind Dykes as he has showed very good vision and awareness to set up others in many of his previous games
 

bezs

G.O.A.T.
Its probably the last chance for Belgium's golden generation to win a tournament.

Never gonna happen with Martinez at the helm though.
 
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bezs

G.O.A.T.
Pretty weak selection in defence for Spain, Ramos obviously been injury plagued but Garcia and Llorente weren't exactly regular starters and putting in stellar performances.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
One reason why I love the euro cup is because they’re a lot of small nations you won’t typically see at the World Cup but the quality is still very high.

Iceland was my go to in 2016 and this time, I’m pulling for North Macedonia all the way!!
 

Mac33

Professional
i watched the Scotland match against Holland.

After all the subs Scotland could not keep the ball - at all.

Forrest and Dykes were replaced by Fraser and Nisbet. Then McKenna came on for Cook.

We need to keep the ball way better.

Gilmour is a must as is Declan Gallagher at sweeper. Gallagher was superb when he came on.

Christie was rubbish but never stopped running. up front alongside Dykes. Nisbet showed strength and quality but he does not have the lung capacity that Christie offers.

Armstrong showed he has the stamina and twice he sped away from his opponent.

Turnbull has good skills but i am still not convinced.

Love to see Nathan Paterson. His composure and skill are needed if Scotland want to enjoy more of the ball.

Push James Forrest up front and bring in Paterson at right wing back.
 
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