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TennisCanada1

Professional
Any UFC Fans here?

I'm almost a bigger UFC fan than I am a tennis fan, and
I would love to discuss the similarities and differences in athlete personalities between the two sports of tennis and mma, being such a big fan of both.

I'd like to point out that nobody in tennis has the same vocal claim and outspoken confidence and domination as some of the top UFC athletes. I'm assuming it's because the top tennis guys are silenced by their sponsors, but no tennis athlete comes out and says "I AM going to win this tournament. I am going to be the champion." They try to be modest instead but it sounds silly, like when Nadal says he has no chance at the Australian Open.
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
Any UFC Fans here?

I'm almost a bigger UFC fan than I am a tennis fan, and
I would love to discuss the similarities and differences in athlete personalities between the two sports of tennis and mma, being such a big fan of both.

I'd like to point out that nobody in tennis has the same vocal claim and outspoken confidence and domination as some of the top UFC athletes. I'm assuming it's because the top tennis guys are silenced by their sponsors, but no tennis athlete comes out and says "I AM going to win this tournament. I am going to be the champion." They try to be modest instead but it sounds silly, like when Nadal says he has no chance at the Australian Open.
It is certainly no sillier than the fake animosity created by the UFC and its fighters to hype a PPV fight. Then they are best friends after it is over. Only on occasion is it really bad blood.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Does the OP really think sponsors are the difference in how the athletes behave, or is it perhaps the personality difference, wherein animal sensibilities and unchecked aggression are requisites of one who participates in (or watches) UFC, while those who participate in a sport where a net always separates the participants are likely to be a good deal less aggressive, and thus less boastful?
 
UFC works as how pro wrestling used to-what draws fans is personalities & promo skills rather than skill. Hence why hardcore MMA fans always call for great technical match-ups that rarely draw & cry when MMA promotions sign attractions like CM Punk & Kimbo Slice who casual fans will be likely to buy shows with them on because big names & personalities is what draws.

Tennis it is all about the action on the court & not charisma, mic skills & backstage politics. Tennis is more of a upper class sport while MMA & wrestling are seen more as working class.
 
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mikeler

Moderator
I'm not a fan of the bloody boxing style fights but do enjoy when both fighters are good at holds/throws/submissions.
 
I'm not a fan of the bloody boxing style fights but do enjoy when both fighters are good at holds/throws/submissions.
It would be nice to see more grappling-but there are a large number of fans who boo as soon as it goes to the ground & the incompetent refs stand them up pretty much right away. As much as I loved Pride the whole cards for stalling sucked-especially as the majority of the time they weren't anyway.
 

TennisCanada1

Professional
Are you guys kidding me? The UFC isn't fake. WWE is one thing but to follow the stereotype and claim that UFC is fake is just bogus. Just like tennis has different players that have better attributes, such as Del Potro having a huge forehand/Raonic having a big serve/etc, the same goes with UFC fighters. It's a sport and that should be respected. Some people are better on the ground, some people are better on the feet, and everyone has a different set of skills, and at the end of the day the execution of those skills is what makes it so intriguing. Every once in a while they throw a CM Punk or Kimbo Slice in there, which I agree is dumb, but in the UFC the majority of the time it's high-level athlete fighters going against one another, and I think it's a pity how tennis players don't follow suit in the sense that they work so hard so they should be vocalizing how they feel much more. Fed/Nadal/Nole etc shouldn't feed around the bush when asked if they would win a tournament. They should have the believe that they ARE going to win the tournament, not that they COULD. Also, if you don't like somebody, don't make it a secret for the sake of being liked. Just be real and be honest. I'm sure Djokovic and Nadal don't really like each other but they put up such a front. If anything it's ironic how fake tennis can be.
 
Who said UFC is fake? There have been some worked matches there-mostly in the 1990's when stablemates had to fight but it is a shoot sport. All that has been said is they use the old wrestling & indeed boxing style of promos & worked heat to sell the shows.
 

mikeler

Moderator
It would be nice to see more grappling-but there are a large number of fans who boo as soon as it goes to the ground & the incompetent refs stand them up pretty much right away. As much as I loved Pride the whole cards for stalling sucked-especially as the majority of the time they weren't anyway.
I hate the "lay and pray" matches the most. One guy just stays on top but is only looking to win the round on points.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Are you guys kidding me? The UFC isn't fake. WWE is one thing but to follow the stereotype and claim that UFC is fake is just bogus. Just like tennis has different players that have better attributes, such as Del Potro having a huge forehand/Raonic having a big serve/etc, the same goes with UFC fighters. It's a sport and that should be respected. Some people are better on the ground, some people are better on the feet, and everyone has a different set of skills, and at the end of the day the execution of those skills is what makes it so intriguing. Every once in a while they throw a CM Punk or Kimbo Slice in there, which I agree is dumb, but in the UFC the majority of the time it's high-level athlete fighters going against one another, and I think it's a pity how tennis players don't follow suit in the sense that they work so hard so they should be vocalizing how they feel much more. Fed/Nadal/Nole etc shouldn't feed around the bush when asked if they would win a tournament. They should have the believe that they ARE going to win the tournament, not that they COULD. Also, if you don't like somebody, don't make it a secret for the sake of being liked. Just be real and be honest. I'm sure Djokovic and Nadal don't really like each other but they put up such a front. If anything it's ironic how fake tennis can be.
I'm not sure if the UFC is "fake", but that to me is beside the point. UFC, Boxing, and WWE are fighting entertainment sports. At some level, promoters in all of those sports are going to do whatever it takes to influence outcomes and rankings in order to get the most cash.

That means making sure that you only feature the most popular competitors in high-visibility prize bouts.

Regardless, I think all of the competitors in the UFC, WWE, and Boxing have an incredibly high-amount of skill and dexterity that takes years of training. It is incredibly hard for a person to do what they do or to take the beatings they take. All of them have my respect.
 
They use promos to sell shows but I believe the fighters and the match ups sell the shows the most.
History proves they don't. Shamrock vs Tito saved UFC over a decade ago & all their matches did insane business/ratings because of their promo skill & characters-despite the fact Shamrock was a joke & couldn't hang with Tito at all. People would still pay to see Royce vs Shamrock today, they aren't going to pay to see two great technicians that have no charisma or promo skills headline a show.

Hardcore MMA fans gripe endlessly about any celebrity or whoever that comes in to a promotion-whining about how this guy deserves this match with this guy & how there are 100 guys better than this person ,but they don't mean crap to the casual fan & that is what UFC/MMA is all about-the hardcores will follow UFC, WWE, TNA or whatever & constantly ***** about it, but the casuals will only watch it for the freak show factor.
 
I hate the "lay and pray" matches the most. One guy just stays on top but is only looking to win the round on points.
Yep-for me that is just bs & when they should be stood up or in the old days of Pride carded for wasting time. But when guys are working & getting yanked up because some idiots are booing or the ref is a chump you have a problem.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I hate the "lay and pray" matches the most. One guy just stays on top but is only looking to win the round on points.
These days some guys go for a takedown with 10 seconds left in the round, so they can score points with the judges but not have to actually grapple!
 

Coach O

New User
UFC works as how pro wrestling used to-what draws fans is personalities & promo skills rather than skill. Hence why hardcore MMA fans always call for great technical match-ups that rarely draw & cry when MMA promotions sign attractions like CM Punk & Kimbo Slice who casual fans will be likely to buy shows with them on because big names & personalities is what draws.

Tennis it is all about the action on the court & not charisma, mic skills & backstage politics. Tennis is more of a upper class sport while MMA & wrestling are seen more as working class.
As part of the working class I take offense that! :)
 
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King Fed WW

Guest
Not a UFC fan but what are everyone's thoughts on McGregor?
 

augustobt

Legend
McGregor won't find Aldo nowhere in the bout. Scarface is going to kick his *** real bad, I wish they've scheduled it in a football stadium.
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
I'm surprised Silva had to go the distance for the win against Diaz.
Me too. I think he should probably retire now. He got to come back and win a match, so his career didn't end with the horrific injury.

At his peak, Silva would have likely expended more energy walking to the ring than dispatching Diaz.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
His family want him to retire, but he still gets paid so much. Hard to walk away when you're still such a huge star. Obviously you could regret it if you carry on and get a terrible beating, but then, Nick Diaz.
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
His family want him to retire, but he still gets paid so much. Hard to walk away when you're still such a huge star. Obviously you could regret it if you carry on and get a terrible beating, but then, Nick Diaz.
If he can keep getting good matchups like that, might as well get paid, but I fear his days of competing at the top of the food chain have passed him by.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
If he can keep getting good matchups like that, might as well get paid, but I fear his days of competing at the top of the food chain have passed him by.
Shirley, Dana wants The Spider to compete forever. Catch weight dream match.................Spider v Rousey
 

Vanhool

Legend
Need more action like Tate/McMann
Tate is hardcore. When that first round punch landed on her, I thought it would be over in 10 seconds! Turns out her orbital bone was broken in two places and she couldn't see well out of that eye. So she took it to the ground, and went 2 more rounds to get the win. I felt like that reversal of the takedown in the third round was sheer willpower/fight. And who can forget when Rousey bent her elbow backwards and she still didn't tap? I love those kind of fighters and tennis players (the ones that dig deep when down matchpoints).

McMann has really heavy hands. Her arms and shoulders are so beefy compared to most of the women. She should learn to use that advantage more. This is what drives me crazy with wrestlers! She rocked Meisha with that punch and broke her eye socket. She gets her on the ground, and does she finish her off with some ground and pound? No, she starts grappling! Some of male wrestlers do this, too, and it's so annoying. They retreat to their comfort zone and don't take advantage of the opportunities they create for themselves.
 
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spinovic

Hall of Fame
Yes, just read about the drug bust ... and now for tennis.
Not terribly surprising in that a lot of guys have used PEDs when attempting to come back from an injury.

What is surprising is this...Silva was juiced, Diaz was baked, and he still couldn't KO him. Definitely think the Spider needs to ride off into the sunset. That's about all I take away from this.

I honestly could care less otherwise.
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
No one seems to care that almost everyone is on juice or other banned substance.
Why should I care? It doesn't affect my life one way or the other. I watch sports to be entertained and it's entertaining either way. In fact, one could argue that it's more entertaining. Don't mistake that as me condoning it or hoping guys cheat. I wish they didn't for numerous reasons. But, I also am not going to get all worked up about it if they do. That's above my pay grade. I simply want entertainment, and that comes either way. I'll let the people who are truly affected by doping worry about that problem.

But, that's just me. I understand why it upsets people and I'm not trying to convince anyone to see it differently. Just sharing my view on it.

I wonder - suppose they had two competing leagues: one where juicing was legal and another where everyone was clean. I wonder which would ultimately end up being more entertaining? More popular?
 
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Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Why should I care? It doesn't affect my life one way or the other. I watch sports to be entertained and it's entertaining either way. In fact, one could argue that it's more entertaining. Don't mistake that as me condoning it or hoping guys cheat. I wish they didn't for numerous reasons. But, I also am not going to get all worked up about it if they do. That's above my pay grade. I simply want entertainment, and that comes either way. I'll let the people who are truly affected by doping worry about that problem.

But, that's just me. I understand why it upsets people and I'm not trying to convince anyone to see it differently. Just sharing my view on it.
I'm with you here.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
It's interesting. Ultimately I guess I don't care enough to stop watching.

Anderson is approaching middle age. I don't think it would be possible to train and recover without help.

Why should I care? It doesn't affect my life one way or the other. I watch sports to be entertained and it's entertaining either way. In fact, one could argue that it's more entertaining. Don't mistake that as me condoning it or hoping guys cheat. I wish they didn't for numerous reasons. But, I also am not going to get all worked up about it if they do. That's above my pay grade. I simply want entertainment, and that comes either way. I'll let the people who are truly affected by doping worry about that problem.

But, that's just me. I understand why it upsets people and I'm not trying to convince anyone to see it differently. Just sharing my view on it.

I wonder - suppose they had two competing leagues: one where juicing was legal and another where everyone was clean. I wonder which would ultimately end up being more entertaining? More popular?
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
It's interesting. Ultimately I guess I don't care enough to stop watching.

Anderson is approaching middle age. I don't think it would be possible to train and recover without help.
Sounds like an argument for TRT. Shirley Dana is shocked by these positive tests.
 
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King Fed WW

Guest
Most people are entertained by the sporting contest. Peds destroy that.

It Isn't literally what we watch that entertains us, it is what it is about. Otherwise there is no dfference between a practice match or a grand slam.
 

Vcore89

G.O.A.T.
Oh come on Silva, you knew you were done when than broken thingy happened to you! You don't suppose you can just carry on with it (even with titanium in place; broken psyche can't be replaced!). Don't force it only to embarass yourself. You're already a legend no matter what. You've already had your day under the sun!:-|
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
No. Many were entertained by Vitor vs. Hendo. TRT poster guys. :)

Most people are entertained by the sporting contest. Peds destroy that.

It Isn't literally what we watch that entertains us, it is what it is about. Otherwise there is no dfference between a practice match or a grand slam.
 

T1000

Legend
Me too. I think he should probably retire now. He got to come back and win a match, so his career didn't end with the horrific injury.



At his peak, Silva would have likely expended more energy walking to the ring than dispatching Diaz.

Diaz stood in the pocket for a full round with Daley and only got knocked down once. He never got knocked down vs lawler. Silva doesn't finish Diaz ever

Not terribly surprising in that a lot of guys have used PEDs when attempting to come back from an injury.



What is surprising is this...Silva was juiced, Diaz was baked, and he still couldn't KO him. Definitely think the Spider needs to ride off into the sunset. That's about all I take away from this.



I honestly could care less otherwise.

Mast has nothing to do with his injury and basicslly all it does is lower estrogen and dry you out (cosmetic drug) so it didn't give him a better performance. He prob took npp or eq and kept mast to lower and his team screwed up the detection time and kept it in too long

Most people are entertained by the sporting contest. Peds destroy that.

It Isn't literally what we watch that entertains us, it is what it is about. Otherwise there is no dfference between a practice match or a grand slam.

Every single pro athlete is in peds. lol if you think otherwise
 

T1000

Legend
No they aren't. Lol at you for being such an idiot. Plenty are but plenty are not.

Lmfao kid don't try to talk about things you have no clue about. Lol at you for being such an idiot and believing drugs that have been around since the 60s and have been proven to greatly increase recovery/performance for guys that rely on their bodies to make an income and support themselves/families aren't being used.
 
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King Fed WW

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Lmfao kid don't try to talk about things you have no clue about. Lol at you for being such an idiot and believing drugs that have been around since the 60s and have been proven to greatly increase recovery/performance for guys that rely on their bodies to make an income and support themselves/families aren't being used.
Not every pro athlete needs drugs to make a living. You think you have this great knowledge and everyone else is naive but actually you are very wrong.

Plenty of the worlds greatest sports people are clean. I would bet my life on Andy Murray being clean for example.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
You may want to reconsider betting your life on Andy Murray being clean.
He very suddenly became an iron man of tennis after being wispy and limping constantly.



Not every pro athlete needs drugs to make a living. You think you have this great knowledge and everyone else is naive but actually you are very wrong.

Plenty of the worlds greatest sports people are clean. I would bet my life on Andy Murray being clean for example.
 
You may want to reconsider betting your life on Andy Murray being clean.
He very suddenly became an iron man of tennis after being wispy and limping constantly.
The exact same thing can be said about djokovic. But I always remember murray being solid. Djokovic on the other hand had talent but was always injured, giving up, heat exhaustion etc. now he is the iron man. Wonder how that happened.
 
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