Ultimate Holy Grail classic

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  1. Ciaron

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    So what is it ? Use the parameters that you have seen at least one for sale or you found at some charity shop by chance. Is it the Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 85 St Vincent or the Adidas GTX Pro T or that Volkl Zebra which tends to be ultra rare. It's got to be a classic ... Suppose this goes without saying in a classic racquet forum. Value also comes into the equation . Just go for it .. Your personal holy grail .
     
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    100% Bakelite experimental frame made by Edson Gallaudet circa 1923. If it exists at all, it is as likely to be found as the real Holy Grail. It may not fit your criteria, but no one has ever come across the real Holy Grail for sale in a thrift store either... :)
     
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    You mean great playability or just ultra rare? For example, Max 200G considered by many as the one of the greatness racquets ever made, but there were produced more than million, so it's not a problem get them. Sometimes racquets were made limited edition series, but not great in play, so it can be valuable just for certain collectors only.
     
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    I am using Head Prestige Tour 600 and there are just amazing. However, there are not that rare, so if you ask for for rarity, I am sorry to disappoint.

    I've tried Max 200G and it feels great in terms of flexibility. But I have to admit that it's a bit too heavy for me to play with, my max weight on racquets is about 380g. I suppose the 200G is closer to a woody.

    Speaking to woodies, I have a Head edgewood in really rough condition. I quite enjoy the unique touch of wooden racquets, but since I didn't grow up with them, I don't have particular interest to them.

    My father uses a Pro Staff 6.0 85 with no bumper guard, it that a rare classic? Well it's classic enough but I don't suspect that racquet to be valuable because their are paint chips and scratches everywhere.
     
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  5. dak95_00

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    I'm playing great with the Prince Mono.
     
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  6. Ciaron

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    Hi my Prince Mono ... The one you supplied is arriving in May with a friend who's coming over . Finally! Can't wait .
     
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    Rarity isn't a thing ... Just your ultimate racquet
     
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    The Max 200G is the closest to a woody I feel. Great for volleys but I wasn't so hot in the serves.
    Your dads pro staff may have some value if it was made in St Vincent (West Indies) . Do a search and you will find plenty of information surrounding this racquet and its mythical qualities.
     
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  9. MoL

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    I know quite a bit about the St Vincent version. They have red primer and stiffer feel. My father's racquet does have red primer so presumably that's a St Vincent.

    That being said, my father is not a collector, and nor am I. He suggested that I use Pro staff 90 because it feels like a 6.0 85, but I ended up using Prestige Tour because of its feel.
     
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    Holy Grail is tough to say because the two at the top of my list aren't really 'classics' in the sense that they had much presence on tour.

    Still - rarer than chicken lips - the Lacoste Equijet LT 301 and Snauwaert's Hit Ten 30 are the one's I'd really like to have.
     
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    Agree with you. I think my choice is PS 6.0 85 or PS 6.1 Classic.
     
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    You can also check on the butt cap code
     
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  15. TadDavis

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    My current holy grail is the GTX Pro. Funnest racquet in my collection, it's like a cannon. I also love the Puma Super and Winner. Been hitting with a 200g and absolutely need to get one of them.
     
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  16. Ciaron

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    I got myself a Adidas GTX Pro T from a guy in Moscow.
    http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums...C-92C2-404F-9EB0-165EEE6C57DD_zpskbptv5aa.jpg
    It didn't come with a butt cap "sticker"
    http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums...2-8557-4348-BA57-96532DF03233_zps19ctdzwi.jpg
    But no problems I had them made
    http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums...5-143E-4CEB-B2AD-BF8DC323DFBF_zps6qwzqx8t.jpg
    It's a really solid racquet ... Grip size I got was a 5 which makes the racquet feel even heavier generally but head light . I can't believe Lendl was able to grind out those hectic topspin forehands with such a small head
     
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    Beautiful racquet, Ciaron. I agree about the topspin. Using the old gear really makes you appreciate some of the things these guys were able to do.
     
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    I recently spoke to a gentleman selling (potentially) 5 LT301s. I have 2 myself.
     
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    As used by Guy Forget ... Oddish looking racquet with what looks like an inverted Wilson PWS at 9 and 3. Any idea what prove he's asking ?
     
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  20. Crockefeller

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    I think the frames are different prices based on condition and provenance but from around 250EUR I believe.
     
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    Is that a price per frame :eek: or for the lot of 5 LT301s? I have 1... and it sure is an interesting racket... very, very solid feel!
     
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    Per frame and yes, great racket with a very solid hit.
     
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  23. Ciaron

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    Bit of an obscene price from my side . 1 Euro = R 18. So that would cost me 4500 South African Rands. That's 250 Big Macs
     
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    Man, 250 Big Macs... how unhealthy is that? Better get an LT301 ;-) It's the better long term investment... or maybe not... the belly you get from the burgers might stick around too!
     
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  25. Ciaron

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    Or 250 beers.....
     
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  26. rodracquet

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    I have been collecting for nearly 10 years now and there are so many lovely racquets.From the 1930's the idea of open throat, slotted shaft etc along with some other Australian trends including the re discovery of semi flat top, handle insert glass tubes of mercury for weight adjustment and key wind balance adjustment. So I do love the Hazell Streamline, Lillywhite & Frowd Twinshaft and Canadian Andreef. Below that we have the French Darsonval Tri Flex. Of course as you move into the 80's graphite permitted some pretty weird shapes and designs but one of the amazing things is how even back in the 1880's inventors were playing around with metal racquets, complex stringing patterns, double strung models like the Blackburne, single string models, tension adjustment. Final pic is the 1928 Craven patent tension adjustment system with a butt cap wind system to draw the bar down to tighten the mains.

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  27. Ciaron

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    Unbelievable re the mercury thing
     
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    Here is the ad for SLAZENGER AUSTRALIA'S "DYNAMIC FLOATING POWER" invented by local Sydney man Harry Webeck. Never seen one.

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  29. Autodidactic player

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    "Floating" mercury within the handle to change the balance. You better hope the racket didn't break. Mercury can be mighty dangerous! The Dynaspot would be a lot less hazardous!

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  30. frinton

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    So what's the deal? The PJ is already absolutely gorgeous, but it looks like there is some magical tech hidden in that stick :)
     
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  31. Ciaron

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    What's the secret with the Dynaspot?
     
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  32. Autodidactic player

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    The Dynaspot has liquid in the head (not mercury ;)) which moves as you swing to change the head weight. It makes the racket more head heavy as you swing. Here's the company advertisement for the racket.

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  33. BorgCash

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    Great! Did you try it?
     
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  34. Autodidactic player

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    Yes, it's one of the few innovative racket designs in my collection that seems to work! I have long, slow by modern standards, classic style 70s strokes so the movement of the liquid coincides with my contact point fairly well. I seem to hit a "heaver" ball with the Dynaspot. I think "modern" players with significantly more racket head speed would have a much more difficult time controlling their shots this racket. It doesn't really matter since the USTA (and other governing agencies) declared the design illegal. Here is the notice sent out to USTA league tennis captains in 2010:

    7/23/2010
    ATTENTION CAPTAINS !
    Non Conforming Tennis Racquets
    The following products, available in the market, do not conform to the
    Rules of Tennis, and cannot therefore be used in any game played
    according to the official Rules.
    Tennis Rackets:
    • Head Tsi7
    • Dynaspot movable mass racket
    In addition, any racket that exceeds 29 inches (73.66 cm) in overall length,
    including the handle, is non-conforming. The rule to limit racket length
    became an official Rule of Tennis on 1 January 2000.
    Stringing Systems:
    • “Spaghetti” strung rackets, invented by Werner Fischer (Germany).
    Vibration Dampening devices:
    Prince “The Silencer”
    If any of your players use this racquet, you must inform them that it cannot
    be used during district, state, sectional or national USA League Tennis
    Championship play.
     
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  35. The Dark Knight

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    I have all three sticks and even the silencer ! o_O
     
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  36. Autodidactic player

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    Hard to see why "The Silencer" would be illegal but other worm style dampeners are not.

    Compare:
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    The only difference I see is that the silencer is permanently attached to the strings by putting the strings through the holes and the shock buster is attached to the strings with hooks.
     
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  37. cedm

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    The silencer was technically partially inside the pattern which is illegal.
     
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  38. Autodidactic player

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    I agree that is the reason but the "powers that be" don't always seem to follow their own rules. A portion of every dampener that hooks into the middle mains and get pushed up into the bottom cross is technically inside the pattern. Almost everyone I know who uses a dampener does this. I've seen many pros on tour do this as well. Remember Agassi's rubber band dampener? That was tied to the center mains and the bottom cross:

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    Compare a traditional dampener, technically inside the pattern:

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    With the Prince Silencer, technically inside the pattern:

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    I'd argue that there is more of the Head dampener inside the pattern than there is of the Prince dampener.
     
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  39. BorgCash

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    What's wrong with Head Tsi7?
     
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  40. joe sch

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    Agree, for playing get a nice max 200g in good condiiton and a Dunlop Max 200G Golden Grand Slam Edition, 1988 if your a classic graphite collector http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/dunlop-golden-grand-slam.html
    Would also be a holy grail to have a racket made for Bjorn [​IMG]
     
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  41. Kalin

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    The central mains were/are too long; there's a max limit on mains length.

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  42. BorgCash

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    I see, I think there were some other similar racquets, for example Fox Bosworth WB 215.
     
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  43. BorgCash

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    So why they only mentioned this Head racquet?
     
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  44. Autodidactic player

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    That letter is from 2010 and I don't believe it was meant to be comprehensive. There are many other rackets that are "illegal".

    Check out this thread:

    Illegal Rackets

    15.5 inches is the max limit for the "hitting surface". Several "legal" rackets have mains longer than 15.5 inches but any length over 15.5 inches is outside the "hitting surface" which makes them legal. The Sp.In rackets are a good example of this.

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    Here are the rules regarding racket construction:

     
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  45. BorgCash

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    I see, thank you.
     
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    Andy Murray's sub 12oz, 56RA, 16x19 PT57A2. I've never seen one with those specs on the grey market. Either Murray keeps all his old frames or the people he gives them to don't resell them.
     
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  47. Tommy Haas

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    It sounds just like ProKennex Kinetic using liquid instead of beads.
     
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    The "kinetic" technology is quite a bit different. Unlike the liquid in the Dynaspot, the beads in the Kinetic are enclosed in small chambers which force them to move very slightly along the horizontal width of the racket ( x-axis) rather than vertically along the full length of the racket head (y-axis). Since this slight movement does not change the weight distribution along the long axis of the racket head it was deemed legal.
     
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  49. joe sch

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    PK made some great player rackets also including the 5G and Redondo's, especially if the new tech hurts your arm/elbow
     
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  50. Tommy Haas

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    Do you still have the two Adidas GTX Lendl racquets that I sold you many years ago? It's something I've regretted.
     
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