Ultimate racquet for a 4.5 player

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Deleted member 780836

Guest
We are just looking into expanding our product line. Frames would be an option. Please note that we tested strings for about a year before we were able to provide a final product.
Is there a specific reason you are not on the online retailers like tennis warehouse? You have great products but no visibility.
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
We are just looking into expanding our product line. Frames would be an option. Please note that we tested strings for about a year before we were able to provide a final product.
Don't know how much you're willing to invest in this (money, time etc.) but if you want to roll out something appealing you should think about a good pallet system (not like flimsy Head pallets) and grommet design.
 

landcookie

Semi-Pro
97-100 sq inch; 320-340 SW; 16x19; moderately headlight.

Everything else is preference. ie I prefer extended length. Some like 70 ra, some like 63. Etc etc.
 

onehandbh

Legend
We are interested in what 4.5isch players look for when it comes to purchasing a new tennis racquet (frame size, weight, string pattern, weight distribution, grip size, etc....).
L2 or L3 grip. Fairway leather grip or something similar.
90-98 sq inches.
305-340g (unstrung). If it is toward 340g then needs to be more headlight. More polarized if more towards 305g.
The power, spin, launch angle, and feedback matter more to me than string pattern.

I'd like something with the feel and feedback of a Pro Staff 85, spin of a Babolat Aeropro, comfort of a Wilson Blade or RF97 and power of a Babolat Pure Drive.

I'm currently using a Yonex 95D with a fairway grip with a bit of weight added to the head. 335 grams unstrung.
362g strung with an overgrip.
 

beltsman

Legend
We are interested in what 4.5isch players look for when it comes to purchasing a new tennis racquet (frame size, weight, string pattern, weight distribution, grip size, etc....).
A Tier One racquet??? Yes!!

Make something like the Prince Classic Graphite 100, Speed, Volkl 8 series. 100 SQ in, somewhat tighter string pattern than most 100s, medium-low flex, around 22-23 mm.

Think of it as a slightly more advanced tweener with a medium string density in the middle - NOT wide open like other tweeners. And a box or somewhat boxy throat for feel.
 

Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
I play in a large metro area with many USTA 4.5C rated league players in 18+ and 40+ divisions. Despite the preferences frequently posted and discussed on this board, the majority of 4.5C rated players in my area use very powerful stiff frames - Pure Drive, old APD, Pure Aero, Ezone 100, etc. I really do not see many small head size, extremely flexible frames except among the 55+ 4.0 men.
 

socallefty

Legend
I play against 4.5/5.0 level players often in Orange County, CA and see a lot of Pure Drives, Blades, VCores and Pure Strikes with a sprinkling of Pure Aeros amongst younger players. The next tier in popularity is likely Radicals, Prestiges and Prostaffs (not RF) - usually these are players playing with very old models (10-15 years old).
 
Give us that thin box beam frame!
This. There is a segment, maybe generally older, that liked the oldschool 17-18mm beam frames. (and the midsize head range from 90 to 93 to 95 sq. in.) For a modern racquet maybe something like the prince phantoms (93p, 97p) in the throat part where it's thin to 16-17mm, but then ok to be tapered to thicker 20-21mm around the head rim. A thin throat also has the thinner feel for 1hnded backhanders when holding the racquet at the throat in the off hand during swing takeback prep.

Like imagining the old KTour 95 or BLX Tour 95, or even the "del potro" - K Six One 95, except the throat part could be a thinner 17mm section.
 
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GreenClay

Rookie
Imho, we 4.5 players underestimate the importance of a large sweetspot.
To that end, it’s desirable to have a stick that has a large sweetspot that’s not too powerful (pure drive, for instance, has a large sweetspot but is too powerful). Something like the older Prince Tours w the ports. Or maybe something like he Gravity
 
Although this is not the "final design" we actually like to simplistic, white look as well :)
The simple white look is really nice. It would be cool if you were able to do really simple neutral shade cosmetics (white, gray, black). Your request for input on what we'd want in a racket was over a month ago, but I just wanted to agree with what everyone said. A 97/98" frame with a 16x20 string pattern, low-mid 60s RA, thin-ish beam, and around a 305-320g unstrung weight with a 31-32cm balance would be amazing!
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
I'm guessing the PWS-like bulges at 3 and 9 are what gives the pro-staff vibe? But the hoop seems more rounded than pro-staff, or maybe it's the angle of the photo.

Either way, white-based pj, a splash of red, then pair with Firewire hybrid...
 
nice looking. Glad to see the return of more box beam on the throat area at least, and good luck with the testing.
 
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flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
I would concur with what a lot of other contributors have expressed.

My ideal specs would be:
95 to 98 sq. in.
Reasonably thin beam of 20mm - 21mm
RA around 62-64
Tight 16x19 pattern or 16x20
Weight at 310g - 315g unstrung
Balance at 31cm or 31.5cm unstrung
Regular length (27 in.)
Foam filled
Grip shape like Wilson or Prince but not too big a flare in the butt cap
Tight quality tolerances, i.e. deviation of 3g / 3mm balance maximum vs. stated specs
 

Srik

New User
after reviewing all of your recommendations, we decided with the following specs for this particular frame:

Length: 27 inch
Weight: 305 ounce (unstrung)
Size: 98
String pattern: 16/19
RA: 63
HL: 5 pts
Swing weight: about 320
Frame filled with foam
DUNLOP CX 200 Tour 16X19 matches close to these specs except its 95
 
after reviewing all of your recommendations, we decided with the following specs for this particular frame:

Length: 27 inch
Weight: 305 ounce (unstrung)
Size: 98
String pattern: 16/19
RA: 63
HL: 5 pts
Swing weight: about 320
Frame filled with foam
Solid stuff. Would suit a large range of players and would be a good choice as a platform stick for those who want to customize. I personally would've preferred a 16x20 but as long as the 16x19 is tight and controlled, that'd be fantastic too. Also, I love that you guys are going the foam-filled route; all my frames these days (Wilson Ultra Pro 16x19, Diadem Elevate) are foam-filled because the feel and comfort is just so much better than the hollow stuff. Really looking forward to what you guys do in the coming months!
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
after reviewing all of your recommendations, we decided with the following specs for this particular frame:

Length: 27 inch
Weight: 305 ounce (unstrung)
Size: 98
String pattern: 16/19
RA: 63
HL: 5 pts
Swing weight: about 320
Frame filled with foam
I could probably live with that, by adding 5g of putty in the butt cap, and 2-3g of lead in the hoop to bump up the SW.

What about the beam width and profile?
 

BillKid

Professional
Looks very promising!
Could you let us know the beam thickness?
When do you think it will become commercially available?
Do you have a rough estimate of your price range?
Sorry I know it may be too early but your project is pretty exciting!
 

temnik

New User
after reviewing all of your recommendations, we decided with the following specs for this particular frame:

Length: 27 inch
Weight: 305 ounce (unstrung)
Size: 98
String pattern: 16/19
RA: 63
HL: 5 pts
Swing weight: about 320
Frame filled with foam
305g (not oz I hope) is like driving in the middle of the road. Pick a side - or do both! 300g or 315g :unsure:

Also, I've seen a ton of racquets like that - with 3/9 weights - offered on Alibaba. So are those legit high quality racquets?
 

beltsman

Legend
after reviewing all of your recommendations, we decided with the following specs for this particular frame:

Length: 27 inch
Weight: 305 ounce (unstrung)
Size: 98
String pattern: 16/19
RA: 63
HL: 5 pts
Swing weight: about 320
Frame filled with foam
My 2 cents - customers are used to 300 or 315 g. 305 is "weird" just as 295 is "weird." I almost guarantee you'll sell better at 300.
 

Curtennis

Semi-Pro
I think 305 is fine… I’d undoubtedly put leather on it right away bumping up to around 315 with OG and leather.
However a 320 swing weight is far too low for me. I don’t do lead tape either. Too much finagling with trying to get it right. A stick that’s really trying to be designed for a 4.5 player needs to be swing weight of 330 even as a baseline.
 
I think 305 is fine… I’d undoubtedly put leather on it right away bumping up to around 315 with OG and leather.
However a 320 swing weight is far too low for me. I don’t do lead tape either. Too much finagling with trying to get it right. A stick that’s really trying to be designed for a 4.5 player needs to be swing weight of 330 even as a baseline.
Agreed on the first part, but the last part is debatable. 330 SW would be nice but many with whippy or heavy spin strokes at that level would beg to differ. 320-325 is a good middle ground for most people, and as long as the stability is good, customizing for a higher SW is easy...just put a gram of weight at the tip of the racket.
 

McLovin

Legend
after reviewing all of your recommendations, we decided with the following specs for this particular frame:

Length: 27 inch
Weight: 305 ounce (unstrung)
Size: 98
String pattern: 16/19
RA: 63
HL: 5 pts
Swing weight: about 320
Frame filled with foam
Just out of curiosity...how hard is it to offer an extended version? Are the molds created such that the hairpin is already 'extra long' and it is shaved down to 27"? Or are they born 27"?
 
Those specs are great, plenty of room for leather grips, lead e.t.c
It would be cool if they could have longer hairpins like head pro stocks and you could pick lengths .25 .50 etc
I would love the current specs with the added 10sw points for the 27.25 version
 

BillKid

Professional
I think 305 is fine… I’d undoubtedly put leather on it right away bumping up to around 315 with OG and leather.
However a 320 swing weight is far too low for me. I don’t do lead tape either. Too much finagling with trying to get it right. A stick that’s really trying to be designed for a 4.5 player needs to be swing weight of 330 even as a baseline.
320 is fine for many players at this level
It’s not pro player pace
And given the wide variability among specs for a single model, you will likely need some weight for fine tuning if you want to get something very accurate.
A couple of years ago I read that very few pro players (I think Santoro was one of them) were able to detect a 4 pts SW difference or something like that.
But sorry, off topic. For me the specs are perfect especially if the beam has 23 mm constant thickness.
 

Rosstour

Legend
I'm not like a lot of folks in that I don't like to customize my racquets. I won't touch lead if I can help it for health reasons, and tungsten tends to pop off...so I just got tired of it.

I also like a slightly less HL balance after playing with the TF40 (3 pts). With a too-HL racquet I tend to miss too many smashes in the net; racquet whips around too fast when I'm in the air. The more balanced sticks jump up just as easily for those balls but that little bit 'less whip' lags the racquet just enough to plow right through that OH swing and drive it deep.

95-98sq in
3-5 pts HL
rA: not picky on this one numerically but I like a muted feel
305g max
18x20 (I can generate lots of spin with any racquet, my big weakness is control)

If someone combined the Clash 98 with the TF40 305, that would be pretty much the ideal for me. I flirted with the Clash, ultimately went w/TF40.
 
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