edelp

Semi-Pro
I guess you will try them both in 1.30? I played like 1.5 years with ptp in 1.25 and yellow ( years ago). Always preferred it over the black. Felt slightly different but that might be me. Good all around string, a little muted, quite some power, spin ok. Very comfortable.
Poli your Spin I am looking forward to reading what you think. For me very control oriented and far too stiff for my elbow!

Enjoy the testing
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
I guess you will try them both in 1.30? I played like 1.5 years with ptp in 1.25 and yellow ( years ago). Always preferred it over the black. Felt slightly different but that might be me. Good all around string, a little muted, quite some power, spin ok. Very comfortable.
Poli your Spin I am looking forward to reading what you think. For me very control oriented and far too stiff for my elbow!

Enjoy the testing
actually both of them I have in 1.25 gauge :) I heard some positive things about 1.30 PTP but most popular is 1.25 so..we will see
 
Have you considered hybrids? I ask this because after playing with lynx tour for a while, which is awesome - I switched back to NG/lynx tour and I can tell you there’s really nothing like it. The confidence this setup gives me is phenomenal. It’s as if I pick up the ball with my racquet walk it to the opponents side and place it on the spot I want. Hard to explain, but it’s that precise. I have absolutely zero struggles with the equipment or my strokes trying to keep the ball in. Instead I can focus on my game and shotmaking because I know it most likely will go where I want it to go. Provided that I’m in position and on time.
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
Have you considered hybrids? I ask this because after playing with lynx tour for a while, which is awesome - I switched back to NG/lynx tour and I can tell you there’s really nothing like it. The confidence this setup gives me is phenomenal. It’s as if I pick up the ball with my racquet walk it to the opponents side and place it on the spot I want. Hard to explain, but it’s that precise. I have absolutely zero struggles with the equipment or my strokes trying to keep the ball in. Instead I can focus on my game and shotmaking because I know it most likely will go where I want it to go. Provided that I’m in position and on time.
I think i will try some hybrids with my favourite shaped profiles. Lynx tour can be a bit on a stiffer side but is holding the ball the way i like it. Hybrid Maybe can make it only better. I will think about it. Interesting thing is that so fat there is No pro with the NG/lynx tour setup i think ?
Musetti is interesting with his hawk rough (touch?) and lynx tour hybrid
 

Westerwick

Rookie
i would suggest stringing lower or using softer copoly that offers more power such as volkl V star. Firewire will rip thru your NG mains

Agree with Blai212. The whole theory of using a different cross is to have something that the main can slide on, presumably less expensive and that adds a desirable quality to the setup. A shaped poly like Firewire will saw through the expensive gut in short order.

In addition to stringing at lower tension,you could try a slick multi fiber like Head Velocity, or (such sacrilege) use almost any synthetic gut. For polys, one I got recently that I am experimenting with as a cross and seems to have some pop is Signum Pro Polaris. I have a VS gut/Oehms Alu Pearl Rough setup that works nicely, gives plenty of power and gets a bit of spin as well. All of those as crosses are a fraction of the cost of a gut cross.

I figure you must be looking to save a buck on the gut hybrid, since if you just want more power, do full gut and forget the hybrid.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
i would suggest stringing lower or using softer copoly that offers more power such as volkl V star. Firewire will rip thru your NG mains
you are talking to a man that string every 2 weeks or even 1 week no matter if string breaks or not. if it gets too expensive i may just use X-1 biphase 16 G in the crosses. X-1 has to be better than ghostwire, right ??
 

blai212

Hall of Fame
you are talking to a man that string every 2 weeks or even 1 week no matter if string breaks or not. if it gets too expensive i may just use X-1 biphase 16 G in the crosses. X-1 has to be better than ghostwire, right ??
depends on what type of comfort/feel/playability you’re going for. If you hit 4.0-4.5 level with any type of spin then you’re gonna want poly cross or else string bed will lock up after just a few hrs and your strings will start to snake aka move all over the place (have fun straightening them out every other point/rally) Poly cross is also good for snapback and control...the only reason I could see not using poly is if your arm cannot handle the stiffness but a big part of that is choosing the right tension
 

antony

Hall of Fame
Caviar is a solid string!
I second this! Playing with this currently in 1.24mm

Retired the Black Knight and Strike Force RIP strings. The Black Knight just was at too low tension (TennisTension and RT were reading ~42lbs) and I could feel it. RIP registered at ~45 but I didn't like the string. At least I liked BK when it was fresh from the stringer at ~48lbs. Maybe they'd be better at my preferred tensions.

Had Toroline Caviar (1.24mm) strung up and so far so good. This time I happened to be there for the actual stringing (same stringer, different machine) and the tension was good. 59.0 lbs set on some sort of Gamma electric stringer, and TT registered at ~62lbs and RT 60.8lbs right off the stringer. A little less after a few hours and a short 20 min play sesh interrupted by rain. Excellent spin potential. Not launchy or trampoliney at all. Great control and the few volleys I had were predictable/consistent. It wasn't a problem at all coming from a 4G Soft racquet that is currently at lower tension. I noticed there was less power probably due to the higher tension. I might go down some pounds in tension given the same string and stringing machine but I'd have to see how the tension behaves and if it loosens up at all. It has dropped ~3 pounds to about 59lbs (in TT) after a few hours and barely playing 20 minutes. I will have to give it a few days to see as the 4G Soft racquet had sit in the box for days when it was delivered from Wilson

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about 2 hours in, ~20 hours after string, RacquetTune now reads at ~56lbs and TT ~57lbs, so it has lost maybe 4-5 lbs so far from stringing. This string is playing wonderfully and I'm happy with the tension I chose (maybe I'd go 1-2 lbs less, remains to be seen) . Zero complaints. Ball was always under control. The only time I remember hitting out was when my racquet angle was facing too high because I couldn't set up in time. I could swing out and the string would help me do what I wanted with the ball, and also the ball wasn't likely to fly further than I wanted if I hit a softer shot. Definitely a contender with 4G/4GS. I think I prefer it more because the spin potential is better, maybe because of the hexagonal vs round shape. I'm getting another racquet back with fresh 4GS today to better compare. It makes me wish I had the Black Knight at a higher tension so I could compare the two more adequately. Pretty comfy string. The quality of the string seems to be on par with that of its packaging, which was easily the nicest packaging I've seen. Might have to get a reel of this Toroline Caviar.

 
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antony

Hall of Fame
On clay there is only one good option it seems... RPM Blast 1.35 (Are you guys watching Nadal - Djokovic?) . Match is still not over. Lets see ;)
My stringer has a reel of RPM Blast, I’ll try it soon. But have you tried Toroline Caviar? It’s soooo good
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
So...it seem that at the end its worth paying triple ? :) or.. buy it if you can afford it ? :p (Djoko winning RG with a hybrid)
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
My stringer has a reel of RPM Blast, I’ll try it soon. But have you tried Toroline Caviar? It’s soooo good
I didnt try it as they dont have 1.30 gauge. I would try it if i was using other frame.
black knight is higher on my maybe list,

besides that it seems that 6-sided strings are the future of this forum Hah? :)
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
All hexes i tried so far had that perfect blend of added spin yet with honest response. I might end up with a 6-sided after all ! They are spin oriented but not crazy spin oriented. They feel like an evolution from round strings.
I have tried so many spin oriented polys but they don't measure up to Alu power or alu power rough. Thinner gauge 1.20 alu power produces monster spins just as much or more as solinco string. It must be that proprietory material alu power is made of. No wonder so many pros use it.
 

Louis33

Semi-Pro
All hexes i tried so far had that perfect blend of added spin yet with honest response. I might end up with a 6-sided after all ! They are spin oriented but not crazy spin oriented. They feel like an evolution from round strings.
I have noticed the same. I always played with round polys because of the consistent response. The square and triangle stuff I don’t like. Even Tourna BHS7T with 7 edges I did not like because it played inconsistent, but Head Lynx Tour and Tier One Black Knight play just as consistent as a round poly to me with extra bite.
 

topspn

G.O.A.T.
From what I’ve seen toroline and grapplesnake dont have 1.30 gauge. Tier one is on my priority list :)
Black night really is the standout in the tier1 line. I still have it in my collection of strings. I don't just play with one string as it depends on the frame and what is the best setup for that frame. You should also try grapplesnake tour sniper. It is firmer but still has comfort and a very reasonable launch angle with good control. Tension maintenance and durability very good
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
Time for Yonex Poly Tour Pro 1.25 ! Stiffness- 181 , Energy Return (%) - 86% , Spin Potential - unknown (TW database)

Ok, I tried this string in many racquets as well ! Angell TC95 16x19, Yonex Ezone Dr98 (blue and yellow color version) and Yonex Vcore Pro and my conclusion would be to try this string only in Yonex frames hah!
I don't know how but this is also a love/hate relationship. In Ezone DR yellow it was very plush, very responsive (even more than Alu Power) , very comfortable but a bit too powerful and springy.
In TC95 it was a bit boring. Nothing outstanding. In Vcore pro it felt actually a bit boardy. I was surprised. Mabe its the racquet and its hard to compete with angell 63ra ? :)
Like I said the only racquet where I felt extra spin potential was Ezone line.
The feel is great and as expected for a round string. I also like the yellow color in my tc95.
Unfortunately I would say if you want PTP but more spin you better choose Mayami Magic Twist which also was not the best string in my racquet for some reason.. if you want even more control and spin for the same price you can get volkl cyclone. Suprisingly I didnt like Volkl cyclone in Ezone line (kinda boardy and not the feel I like). That's why I would say PTP is worth trying in Yonex frames and especially Ezone line.

I am curious how 1.30 would perform but based on all the info gathered so far I would say I need to skip testing other gauges.

Overall I am giving it a 6.0 rating. No outstanding features, solid but boring. Good combination for Ezone line where it seems to unlock the potential mainly in comfort and spin.

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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Time for Yonex Poly Tour Pro 1.25 ! Stiffness- 181 , Energy Return (%) - 86% , Spin Potential - unknown (TW database)

Ok, I tried this string in many racquets as well ! Angell TC95 16x19, Yonex Ezone Dr98 (blue and yellow color version) and Yonex Vcore Pro and my conclusion would be to try this string only in Yonex frames hah!
I don't know how but this is also a love/hate relationship. In Ezone DR yellow it was very plush, very responsive (even more than Alu Power) , very comfortable but a bit too powerful and springy.
In TC95 it was a bit boring. Nothing outstanding. In Vcore pro it felt actually a bit boardy. I was surprised. Mabe its the racquet and its hard to compete with angell 63ra ? :)
Like I said the only racquet where I felt extra spin potential was Ezone line.
The feel is great and as expected for a round string. I also like the yellow color in my tc95.
Unfortunately I would say if you want PTP but more spin you better choose Mayami Magic Twist which also was not the best string in my racquet for some reason.. if you want even more control and spin for the same price you can get volkl cyclone. Suprisingly I didnt like Volkl cyclone in Ezone line (kinda boardy and not the feel I like). That's why I would say PTP is worth trying in Yonex frames and especially Ezone line.

I am curious how 1.30 would perform but based on all the info gathered so far I would say I need to skip testing other gauges.

Overall I am giving it a 5.9 rating. No outstanding features, solid but boring. Good combination for Ezone line where it seems to unlock the potential mainly in comfort and spin.

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Great review man. On another topic, you guys may find this hard to believe,, but this Alu power 1.20 G string is producing More spin than Solinco confidential 1.20 gauge string. This did surprise me quite a bit because i was using Confidential now for good 1.5 years now. but at least in Hot summer weather outside conditions, this Alu power 1.20 seem to produce massive amounts of spin and great power to boot
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
Great review man. On another topic, you guys may find this hard to believe,, but this Alu power 1.20 G string is producing More spin than Solinco confidential 1.20 gauge string. This did surprise me quite a bit because i was using Confidential now for good 1.5 years now. but at least in Hot summer weather outside conditions, this Alu power 1.20 seem to produce massive amounts of spin and great power to boot
alu power and confidential do share a lot of characteristics. I can get it for much cheaper than in stores so the value increases and actually kills Confidential for me. Otherwise this might be a tougher call... I think overall you can't beat Alu's feel where Confidential is quite close in performance but at the same time very different... + it has 2 faces , one - fresh , second - after 6 hours of playing.... but well.. Alu Power is quite similar in that regard too :) Anyway I prefer alu power's playability duration and this is saying a lot about confidential... :/ would depend on the racquet a lot I think as well...
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
alu power and confidential do share a lot of characteristics. I can get it for much cheaper than in stores so the value increases and actually kills Confidential for me. Otherwise this might be a tougher call... I think overall you can't beat Alu's feel where Confidential is quite close in performance but at the same time very different... + it has 2 faces , one - fresh , second - after 6 hours of playing.... but well.. Alu Power is quite similar in that regard too :) Anyway I prefer alu power's playability duration and this is saying a lot about confidential... :/ would depend on the racquet a lot I think as well...

Alu power do share many characteristic as confidential ,, agree. but alu power seem to be much more powerful string at the same tension. and much better feel at same gauge. Probably bit easier to generate spin with confidential but it is easier to manipulate the amount of spin generated with Alu power. It's hard to explain but Alu power wins out on most categories.

i can generate power and spin movement on the Serves much easier with Alu power,,, but it just takes more effort on my part to do the same thing with confidential on my serves. but ultimately they can both do very similar things on Serving. But i am lazy as heck so i like easier route with alu power........:giggle::giggle:
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
Alu power do share many characteristic as confidential ,, agree. but alu power seem to be much more powerful string at the same tension. and much better feel at same gauge. Probably bit easier to generate spin with confidential but it is easier to manipulate the amount of spin generated with Alu power. It's hard to explain but Alu power wins out on most categories.

i can generate power and spin movement on the Serves much easier with Alu power,,, but it just takes more effort on my part to do the same thing with confidential on my serves. but ultimately they can both do very similar things on Serving. But i am lazy as heck so i like easier route with alu power........:giggle::giggle:
agree, serving with alu power is outstanding. Confidential is a bit more "dead" and then turns into "lively". Alu when fresh is somewhere in between but still lot of control - its not springy.

Yonex PTP is not even close in performance to those two.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Most reliable options were:

1.Luxilon Alu Power
2.Mayami Tour Hex
3.Signum Pro Firestorm
(random order)

they were also very good at 1st serve as well ! Easiest to alter from 1st to 2nd for some reason (maybe even more important stat) . Highest %

You rate Mayami tour hex that high up in the order ?? wow, it must be insane good string. i must try it. where do i buy it ? you rate the Mayami even higher than Confidential ??
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
You rate Mayami tour hex that high up in the order ?? wow, it must be insane good string. i must try it. where do i buy it ? you rate the Mayami even higher than Confidential ??
indeed very good. I tried it in 1.23 gauge and it was most control oriented string among 1.25 gauges I tried.
I will try 1.28 gauge soon as I prefer lower launch angles.

you can buy it directly from mayami

Tour Hex and Confidential are very very similar. Tour Hex has a bit better feel and playability duration :)
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
indeed very good. I tried it in 1.23 gauge and it was most control oriented string among 1.25 gauges I tried.
I will try 1.28 gauge soon as I prefer lower launch angles.

you can buy it directly from mayami

Tour Hex and Confidential are very very similar. Tour Hex has a bit better feel and playability duration :)
Spin generation wise about the same with tour hex and confidential at the same gauge ? confidential i felt was one of the most spin oriented polys i have ever used
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
Spin generation wise about the same with tour hex and confidential at the same gauge ? confidential i felt was one of the most spin oriented polys i have ever used
Hard to say, confidential was nice but not a spin monster. Hex tour has the same shape and kinda similar vibes. Tourna silver 7 tour is also there with those two regarding performance. Even more control and maybe spin but didnt like it as much on 2nd serve
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Hard to say, confidential was nice but not a spin monster. Hex tour has the same shape and kinda similar vibes. Tourna silver 7 tour is also there with those two regarding performance. Even more control and maybe spin but didnt like it as much on 2nd serve
Where does Mayami Big spin string fit into all this ? in your opinion
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
Where does Mayami Big spin string fit into all this ? in your opinion

it offers biggest spin and maybe even most comfort but 1st serve is a bit tricky. I hit more flat but seeking topspin and play loopier when in defense. So its kinda not for my style but the spin is addicting so thinking about some adjustments. My student plays with more spin and using radical MP. He loves it and used previously Lynx Tour and MSV Hepta Twist. He just can't replace it the spin is so easy + everything feels suddenly too stiff for him after Big Spin. So he likes the comfort as well.

Its interesting because most spin oriented low powered strings are usually stiff. Big Spin is really comfortable but NOT SPRINGY so still lot of control.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
it offers biggest spin and maybe even most comfort but 1st serve is a bit tricky. I hit more flat but seeking topspin and play loopier when in defense. So its kinda not for my style but the spin is addicting so thinking about some adjustments. My student plays with more spin and using radical MP. He loves it and used previously Lynx Tour and MSV Hepta Twist. He just can't replace it the spin is so easy + everything feels suddenly too stiff for him after Big Spin. So he likes the comfort as well.

Its interesting because most spin oriented low powered strings are usually stiff. Big Spin is really comfortable but NOT SPRINGY so still lot of control.
more power or less power than Hex tour ?
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
it offers biggest spin and maybe even most comfort but 1st serve is a bit tricky. I hit more flat but seeking topspin and play loopier when in defense. So its kinda not for my style but the spin is addicting so thinking about some adjustments. My student plays with more spin and using radical MP. He loves it and used previously Lynx Tour and MSV Hepta Twist. He just can't replace it the spin is so easy + everything feels suddenly too stiff for him after Big Spin. So he likes the comfort as well.

Its interesting because most spin oriented low powered strings are usually stiff. Big Spin is really comfortable but NOT SPRINGY so still lot of control.
also this MiYami company is in Germany and they don't ship to USA . i can't buy it
 
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