Ultimate String Weight Thread!
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tele
Hall of Fame
no, unless lynx tour is around 5g heavier
It’s around 3 grams heavier.
tele
Hall of Fame
hmm, 10 sw points sounds a little steep to me (I would expect around 6 points based on what you get from adding the equivalent amount to the center of the average stringbed(which may not be a sufficiently accurate method). Did you measure both on the same machine?
Nope. 1 is ancient. Good point as the 3 grams is jot equal to 3 grams at 12.
But does 291 to 315 with hyper G 17 and dampener make sense? That was the latest greatest Wilson machine.
tele
Hall of Fame
24 points sounds low to me, but i have never used hyper g, unfortunately. did you weigh the racquet before and after？
No but I used another SW machine and it came in at 315 again (blade 98 16x19).
useframesavestrings
New User
If you don't mind, could you try a re-measure on the PPP 1.25?
I just strung my Prince Phantom 93P 14x18 with PPP 18ga (1.20) on the mains and OGSM 18ga (1.15) on the crosses.
I split a fresh pack of PPP 18ga in half and weighed each side (should have been 6M unless Prince randomly gave me extra) for 8.1g - if your measurement of 12M of PPP 1.25 being 16g holds up, that would be quite the variance.
fwiw the racket ended up taking exactly 5.1g of PPP18 on the mains and 5.2g of OGSM18 on the crosses
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
why is natural gut so heavy ?
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
would you say that X-1 biphase is one of the lightest Multi string out there if compared to side by side with same gauge string ? and what about wilson NXT multis like NXT power if compared to X-1 in weight ?
and where do you guys think the new Solico Mach 10 fits in weight compared to other main stream polys like Alu power or confidential ? lighter or heavier ?
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Why is X-1 Natural so much heavier than X-1 orange or Multifeel ? they are pretty much same gaugeI have these numbers for multi / syn gut strings. I cut exactly 6m and meassure with a pro lab digital weight.
Happi
Hall of Fame
X-One orange is a squash string, and used to be way cheaper in reels than the tennis counterpart. I prefer the orange over the natural, as it seem to have similar coating to MF black. So they are not identical as they have different coating.
Cows are heavy.
Tennis1337
New User
This is an underrated topic. Strings vary so much. I don't have any exact measurements, but I noticed Lynx Tour and Toroline strings weigh a lot, and give added swingweight. I think it would be good to sell with info about weight so people don't get dissatisfied. For me personally, I don't want more weight in the hoop.
I strung up MSV Focus Hex Ultra 1.20 once in a Radical Pro and that made the racquet so whippy and light. I use also a Savarez string from France that's quite light in 1.18mm. Poly Tour Pro yellow 1.20 tends to be light as well.
I strung up MSV Focus Hex Ultra 1.20 once in a Radical Pro and that made the racquet so whippy and light. I use also a Savarez string from France that's quite light in 1.18mm. Poly Tour Pro yellow 1.20 tends to be light as well.
Elrico
Rookie
Lynx Tour 1.20 in a 98 in² = 16.5gr
MSV Focus Hex Ultra 1.20 in the same 98 cm² = 16.1gr
Signum Pro Polaris 1.20 = 15.3gr
Toalson Devil Spin 1.20 = 14.6
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
how does Alu power compare in weight with Multi string like X-1 biphase ?
Elrico
Rookie
Alu Power, no idea ....
Topspin Cyber Flash 130 in 98cm² = 18.6gr
Dumlop Explosiv Speed 125 = 17.35gr
Tourna Big Hitter Silver 7 Tour 125= 15.5gr
Tecnifibre Duramix HD 1.30 in 98in² = 16.7gr
Isospeed Energetic Plus = 14gr
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
what was the gauge on that big hitter silver ?
Elrico
Rookie
Happi
Hall of Fame
Alupower 1.15 is 8.3g for 6m
I wish all would just cut 6m and measure before they string their racquet, so it would be easier to compare.
Makes no sense to know what weight is in one racquet unless you use same racquet and tension. When I know the 6m weight for a string, I can calculate the total weight for a given racquet and SW.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
is 6 M, half set or full set ? looks like half set. For Poly string ,, is that in the heavy category ?? or moderate, or light ?
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classical_tennis
New User
This is exactly why the Tennis Warehouse "strung weight" is so off. Grip size also matters when measuring static weight. TW, please publish the average (or intended by brand) unstrung weight, 4 3/8 grip for each racket. Not knowing this, I demoed a 4 3/8, the 4 1/4 was noticeably lighter and less stable. We have to go to other sites to find the correct information about rackets. Chris Edwards, you are the adult in the room (a compliment). Please convince the powers that be at TW to fix this and give better information. I got stuck with 2 full price rackets that are unusable because of this idiocy.
Happi
Hall of Fame
A full set is 12.2m or 40feet but problem with measuring a full set is that the length varies by brand. Sometimes a full set will be 12m other times 12.5m.
8.3g for 6m poly is light. Most 1.25 polys are more than 10g
By my measurements 1g extra string weight equal to about 1.8 SW depending on racquet.
dragoncino
New User
I can confirm what Happi writes.
My experience: I bought a used Prokennex Q+20 which came stringed with Wilson Sensation 16g. Its swing weight was about 330, definitively too much for my arm and shoulder. I cut and made it re-stringed it with Rip Control 1.20: now the swing weight is about 323, which is still high for me but manageable.
Weight difference on a 110 inches 16/19 racquet between Wilson Sensation 1.3 and Rip Control 1.2 was 4 grams (exactly 4.1), which resulted in about 7 SW difference.
7 SW / 4.1 grams = 1.7 SW/gram
My experience: I bought a used Prokennex Q+20 which came stringed with Wilson Sensation 16g. Its swing weight was about 330, definitively too much for my arm and shoulder. I cut and made it re-stringed it with Rip Control 1.20: now the swing weight is about 323, which is still high for me but manageable.
Weight difference on a 110 inches 16/19 racquet between Wilson Sensation 1.3 and Rip Control 1.2 was 4 grams (exactly 4.1), which resulted in about 7 SW difference.
7 SW / 4.1 grams = 1.7 SW/gram
dragoncino
New User
There are a lot of reasons that can explain those slight differences:
- Swing weight calculation depends much on the method used, and if the machine is well calibrated
- Scales calibration: 0.1 gram of error can make the coefficient vary from 1.7 to 1.75
- Finally, also the specific pattern and structure of the racquet might change a bit
useframesavestrings
New User
not using the most expensive scale so it might be necessary to take it with some margin of error, but here’s what I’ve got logged
the blanks are strings I have but either forgot to measure when I strung it last or haven’t strung in a while - I’ll edit/fill them in when I do
the blanks are strings I have but either forgot to measure when I strung it last or haven’t strung in a while - I’ll edit/fill them in when I do
| String | Weight for 6M (in grams) |
| Babolat Xcel 17 | 9.2 |
| Diadem Solstice Black 17 | |
| Diadem Solstice Black 18 | 8.8 |
| Diadem Solstice Power 17 | 9.9 |
| Dunlop Hexy Fibre 16 | |
| Dunlop Iconic All 17 | 9.5 |
| Gosen G-Tour 3 17L | |
| Gosen OGSM 17 | |
| Gosen OGSM 18 | 7.6 |
| Isospeed Cream 17 | 9.7 |
| Isospeed Professional Classic 17 | |
| Isospeed V18 19 | 8.7 |
| Kirschbaum Pro Line II 18L | |
| Kirschbaum Pro Line Rough 18 | |
| MSV Focus Hex 19 | 8.8 |
| Prince Lightning Pro 17 | 8.9 |
| Prince Premier Control 17 | 8.8 |
| Prince Premier Power 17 | 8.7 |
| Prince Premier Power 18 | 8.1 |
| Prince Synthetic Gut w/ Duraflex 17 | 8.7 |
| Prince Tour XP 17 | 10.7 |
| Signum Pro Firestorm 17L | 9.6 |
| Signum Pro Poly Plasma 17L | |
| Signum Pro Tornado 17L | 8.8 |
| Solinco Hyper G 19 | 8.1 |
| Solinco Hyper G 20 | 7.0 |
| Solinco Hyper G Soft 18 | 8.5 |
| Solinco Mach-10 18 | 8.5 |
| T1 Ghost Wire 18 | 9.0 |
| T1 Ghost Wire 19 | 8.0 |
| Tecnifibre Ice Code 18 | 9.6 |
| Tecnifibre Multifeel 17 | |
| Tecnifibre NRG2 18 | |
| Tecnifibre X-1 Biphase 17 | 9.5 |
| Tecnifibre X-1 Biphase 18 | |
| Topspin Cyber Blue 17L | |
| Topspin Cyber Flash 17 | |
| Topspin Cyber Flash 17L | |
| Tourna Big Hitter Black 7 18 | 8.4 |
| Tourna Big Hitter Silver 17 | |
| Tourna Big Hitter Silver 7 Tour 17 | |
| Volkl Cyclone 19 | 8.4 |
| Yonex PolyTour Air 16L | |
| Yonex PolyTour Pro 18 | 8.8 |
| Yonex Rexis Comfort 16L | |
| Yonex Rexis Speed 16L | 8.9 |
| YTEX Hexagon-X 16L | |
| YTEX PentaPower Twisted 16L | 10.3 |
| YTEX Protour Black 17L | |
| YTEX Protour Blue 17L | 9.4 |
| YTEX Square-X 16L | 10.3 |
| YTEX Quadro Twist 16L | 10.6 |
| YTEX Triangle Twisted 16L | 10.1 |
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Happi, the ratio of 6 m to 40 ft. Is 1 to 2.0513. So multiply 6 m weight by 2.0513 to get 40 ft weight, or divide 40 ft weight by 2.0513 to get 6 m weight.
I agree, weight increase in a strung racquet is not specifically as useful to others unless they happen to use the same racquet and tension. However, we can still compare to see which strings and/or gauges are heavier or lighter.
Also, increase in SW per gram will depend on a frame’s head shape and size, drill pattern, and string pattern. Frames with crosses closer to the top or a more rounded head will see a bigger SW increase per gram. Frames with a more elongated head and/or more spaced crosses will increase a bit less. 2 SW points per gram is a good general guide, but it can vary by more than +/- 10% by frame.
Per my material engineering background, I propose the data can be presented as density of the string (calculated by weight / fixed volume = gm/(length x cross section area), as such one can estimate the weight difference when restringing one string to another on the same racket frame.......(providing same gauge and same tension, w.out pre-stretch, etc.....). Any thoughts?
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tele
Hall of Fame
isn"t this pretty easy to estimate, at least for round strings, if you know the weight and diameter of a 6m piece of the string?
Yes, u r right, but the polyester shaped strings are the interesting one........Also whether the diameter of round string is true to the gauge size thickness or not......
tele
Hall of Fame
i do not see why weight/meter is not as useful as density in this context, especially since, with shaped strings, (or even round strings, as you mentioned), it is hard to know what the precise volume is
Happi
Hall of Fame
You also have to take into account different string materials, multi strings stretches more than poly strings at the same tension.
Thanks for allowing me to clarify my thinking. I assume the material formulation for one string is the same across different gauges hence the density of different gauges are suppose to be the same (i.e. density of Mach 10 gauge 16 should be same as gauge 18, I suppose). So measuring the density can save the effort of taking measure on various gauges of one string, that's one advantage. I can think of other advantages of having such data, such as one can summarize density data based on String Brand, then can rank which string is heavier than others. That's kind of a selector I think to see too. Just my thought.
As of the volume measurement question, yes it is difficult to measure and not to assume the cross sectional area to constant along the string. So there is material test lab measure the density of plastics. Simply put is having a fix weight of plastics put in a beaker of water and see the volume rise (mass /volume).....Sorry get too carry away. I am fine w/using length as well.......
Yes, I may account multifilament may stretch and use less strings, assuming 10-15% less. Another educational guess on the weight change with strings....Best if there is length change data at certain tension (@40lb, @ 50, and @ 60lb)......May be asking too much though......
Elrico
Rookie
classical_tennis
New User
This is why Tennis Warehouse needs to fix this outright lying to it's customers. The barebones hairpin can vary, we get that. But grip size increases or decreases weight, string material increases or decreases weight/swingweight. TW, stop lying to us on your website. And then lying when we email and communicate with your racket advisors.
tele
Hall of Fame
what are they lying about? does it say somewhere that all strings weigh the same?
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classical_tennis
New User
They only give us "strung weight", so yes, they are lying to us. Muti/gut is substantially less weight than poly. Then you factor in gauge. They need to give us unstrung weight, 4 3/8, and include information and disclaimers about weight differences of grip sizes, string materials, and string gauges. This is something that their supposed racket technician/guru Paul has NO clue about.
tele
Hall of Fame
static weights vary within racquets of the same grip size, so while the foam on a racquet with a larger grip size should weigh more, this does not necessarily mean that the entire racquet will weigh more than one with a smaller grip.
classical_tennis
New User
classical_tennis
New User
YES, further proof we are being lied to by TW. Mark Boone could have nipped my issue in the bud years ago, but chose to be a total jerk instead. And if he has any management responsibilities, he is partly responsible for these lies TW feeds us regarding weight of rackets, including sting material, gauges, grip sizes. The "strung weight" is not what TW quotes. If they said that an L3/ or 4 3/8 racket unstrung is listed from the factory at x grams/ounces, and once plastic/cardboard are removed, we found this particular average weight, ok. Then they say that given an overgrip (which I see testers use on video) an say 15 oz. Vokol Cyclone red (Chris points out the different weights according to darkness of color), then we would be told the truth. Until then, the strung weight and swingweight on the website lies to all us. In my case resulting in a demo I loved, then order two rackets totally different and not playable.
_FrankTheTank_
Semi-Pro
This. I can't provide exact numbers but 1.5-2g lighter than MSV Focus Hex silber 1.23mm in an Ezone 98. The set is also lighter than a Set of Head lynx tour 1.20mm champagne.
Of you open to that kind of string it's one of the best (maybe the best) in reducing Swingweight without going to thin for once linking in gauge or choosing a string which lacks tension maintanace/playability duration.
I also think their specs are misleading, but given all the possible variances in grip size affecting weight etc, what do you propose as the solution? Also, it doesnt help that now even with matching service you dont get told all the specs, they just select the closest to specified i believe. All in all, i do think that they are obscuring the process to make more money via matching and rebuying.
Another thing that plays into their hand is the OCD and precision seeking of forum members, promoted by a few guys, when in reality these minimal spec differences are exagerated in our heads only when we find out the measurement. (placebo) Up to 2.5% difference in swingweight wasnt noticed by college players, thats plus minus 8sw from 320. So, is there even need to match perfectly, considering even the swingweight machine can be inconsistent as it is affected by temperature and humidity a bit, and needs to be calibrated often?
It certainly makes for a good debate.
tele
Hall of Fame
I saw this mentioned in an old thread a while ago but could not find the study. The findings sound reasonable to me but I would like to read it myself. Do you know who did it?
I could only find it as a summary behind a paywall, in the past i used the wayback machine and a certain website to access the whole paper, but unfortunately i forgot the domain. In the summary it says exactly what i said. Here it is:
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tele
Hall of Fame
thanks!
