Uncle Toni blasts Wimbledon seeding "disrespectful and arrogant"

[BeatlesFan]

Toni Nadal brands Wimbledon ‘disrespectful and arrogant’ in seeding row

Toni Nadal, the uncle and former coach of Rafael Nadal, has branded Wimbledon ‘arrogant and disrespectful’ over the seeding row that has angered his nephew.
Despite being the world number two, Nadal has been named the third seed at Wimbledon with their unique formula elevated Roger Federer into the number two spot.

“It’s a well-known topic,” Toni Nadal told El Larguero. “The Wimbledon guys are used to differentiating themselves because of this kind of thing, it’s a bit ugly, but it’s what they’ve always done. They’re used to going their own way and they act like that because they feel special and maybe they think they have the right to do things as they want. It’s a bad beginning. It’s true that it’s a very important tournament but it would be more logical [if the seeding] were based on what is based around the world, on the measures that govern the ATP. I think it’s a lack of respect but to the ATP circuit [rather than to Rafael Nadal specifically]. They [Wimbledon] act at their own discretion, if everyone did the same thing it would be a complete disaster, but I think they feel very special.”

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[Mainad]

Maybe if Toni taught his nephew more respect for the grass season by encouraging him to play a grass warm-up event the seedings policy at Wimbledon wouldn't be such a problem for him? Respect works TWO ways!

 

[victorcruz]

Oh look. Nadal still living rent-free. Even family members are open for ridiculing. Streets ain't safe. Let's get it baby boy.

 

[Breakpointerer]

Typical.

 

[Yugram]

Here we go again. Let the saltyness of Fedfans out.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Man, Humblito and his uncle and camp are completely terrified of having even the possibility of having to actually play perhaps some difficult opponents to win a title (like at the Tour Finals).

Goodness.

 

[EloQuent]

Oh look. Nadal still living rent-free. Even family members are open for ridiculing. Streets ain't safe. Let's get it baby boy.

Yeah it's the poasters who are the problem, not the bratty Nadal family stirring ****

 

[True Fanerer]

God what a mess this is becoming lol.

 

[TheIntrovert]

I think Roger should come out and say that it’s disrespectful and weird that the French open awards 2000 points. Yes. He didn’t play in 2016 17 or 18, which his entirely own decision, and he knew what not playing it would mean. Yes it has always been a grand slam event and thus been worth the most points. But it’s still unfair to roger. Then maybe Muzziah can come out and say he’s ‘surprised’ by this as well

 

[Yugram]

Yeah it's the poasters who are the problem, not the bratty Nadal family stirring ****

Wimbledon’s archaic corrupted rules are the problem.

 

[True Fanerer]

I really wish Fed would make a statement or someone. It's gotta happen at some point at this rate.

 

[Towny]

The problem isn't that Wimbledon has their own seeding system but it's that the other slams don't. How many times has Nadal been seeded second for RG when he really should have been first? Like when he met Djokovic in the SF in 2013. I'm less bothered about the AO and the USO because hard court is the dominant surface of the tour, but RG should adopt Wimbledon's seeding formula in my opinion. Not the other way round.

Also, I love how people are seemingly so surprised about this happening given it was a very likely possibility. Rafa knew that not playing a grass warm up might cost him the number 2 seed. It's not like Wimbledon subjectively decided Federer should be seeded higher on a whim

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Here we go again. Let the saltyness of Fedfans out.

The only salt I see here is that tumbling out of the Nadals' tear ducts.

 

[EloQuent]

Wimbledon’s archaic corrupted rules are the problem.

Ahh

Here we go again. Let the saltyness of Fedfans out.

 

[boredone3456]

Seeing as how, prior to last year, the last time Rafa made it past the 4th round of Wimbledon was 2011, maybe he should take what he got and be happy with it.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Hands up who thinks the Nadals would show similar sentiments if Nadal ended up seeded higher than his ranking?

 

[EloQuent]

Ironically, didn't Rafa used to agitate for 2 year rankings? Wimbledon is the closest thing we have to 2 year rankings and look how much he likes it.

Almost as if his preferences are selective.

 

[OhYes]

Toni Nadal brands Wimbledon ‘disrespectful and arrogant’ in seeding row

Toni Nadal, the uncle and former coach of Rafael Nadal, has branded Wimbledon ‘arrogant and disrespectful’ over the seeding row that has angered his nephew.
Despite being the world number two, Nadal has been named the third seed at Wimbledon with their unique formula elevated Roger Federer into the number two spot.

“It’s a well-known topic,” Toni Nadal told El Larguero. “The Wimbledon guys are used to differentiating themselves because of this kind of thing, it’s a bit ugly, but it’s what they’ve always done. They’re used to going their own way and they act like that because they feel special and maybe they think they have the right to do things as they want. It’s a bad beginning. It’s true that it’s a very important tournament but it would be more logical [if the seeding] were based on what is based around the world, on the measures that govern the ATP. I think it’s a lack of respect but to the ATP circuit [rather than to Rafael Nadal specifically]. They [Wimbledon] act at their own discretion, if everyone did the same thing it would be a complete disaster, but I think they feel very special.”

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[Azure]

Man I seriously feel that Rafa camp should just shut up. Take what is given especially when nothing is really 'unfair' here. Yes one can express surprise but Toni's lambasting is quite ridiculous now.

 

[True Fanerer]

Hands up who thinks the Nadals would show similar sentiments if Nadal ended up seeded higher than his ranking?

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

That's an alarming percentage.

 

[Gary Duane]

Toni Nadal brands Wimbledon ‘disrespectful and arrogant’ in seeding row

Toni Nadal, the uncle and former coach of Rafael Nadal, has branded Wimbledon ‘arrogant and disrespectful’ over the seeding row that has angered his nephew.
Despite being the world number two, Nadal has been named the third seed at Wimbledon with their unique formula elevated Roger Federer into the number two spot.

“It’s a well-known topic,” Toni Nadal told El Larguero. “The Wimbledon guys are used to differentiating themselves because of this kind of thing, it’s a bit ugly, but it’s what they’ve always done. They’re used to going their own way and they act like that because they feel special and maybe they think they have the right to do things as they want. It’s a bad beginning. It’s true that it’s a very important tournament but it would be more logical [if the seeding] were based on what is based around the world, on the measures that govern the ATP. I think it’s a lack of respect but to the ATP circuit [rather than to Rafael Nadal specifically]. They [Wimbledon] act at their own discretion, if everyone did the same thing it would be a complete disaster, but I think they feel very special.”

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I'm posting this everywhere, so get used to seeing it:

USO 14
RG 15
AO 17
W 21

This is the number of times the #1 seed has won at each of the majors, and note that it could be the 22nd time at W.

The purpose of seeding is to pick the guys most likely to win. W does the best job. The USO could tie RG this year by getting it right. The USO is possibly so unpredictable because as the last major many people are exhausted. But RG is very bad. If RG has seeded Nadal according to clay results you can add 8 to the RG total.

Wimbledon gets it right more than any other major.

Toni is making the wrong point. The trouble in seeding is at RG.

 

[True Fanerer]

That's an alarming percentage.

Only one guy heard the question

 

[augustobt]

Ahh

Why quoting a 14yo? It's like beating on a dead horse on these topics...

 

[StrongRule]

Omg, I'm getting tired of this. Don't they understand that they can't change anything? Yes, that seeding system is stupid and makes no sense. But what will change from them saying this?

 

[Gary Duane]

Wimbledon’s archaic corrupted rules are the problem.

Its rules result in the best correlation of winners to seeds.

 

[Gary Duane]

Omg, I'm getting tired of this. Don't they understand that they can't change anything? Yes, that seeding system is stupid and makes no sense. But what will change from them saying this?

The rules makes perfect sense. They work better than seeding in other slams.

 

[EloQuent]

I'm posting this everywhere, so get used to seeing it:

USO 14
RG 15
AO 17
W 21

This is the number of times the #1 seed has won at each of the majors, and note that it could be the 22nd time at W.

The purpose of seeding is to pick the guys most likely to win. W does the best job. The USO could tie RG this year by getting it right. The USO is possibly so unpredictable because as the last major many people are exhausted. But RG is very bad. If RG has seeded Nadal according to clay results you can add 8 to the RG total.

Wimbledon gets it right more than any other major.

Toni is making the wrong point. The trouble in seeding is at RG.

Do you have data on seeded 3-4 making SF, 5-8 making QF? I'm curious what that looks like.

 

[Breakpointerer]

They should just let it go already lol.

 

[StrongRule]

The rules makes perfect sense. They work better than seeding in other slams.

If it was like that in other slams then maybe I would agree. However, every year in RG Nadal is seeded by his current ranking.

 

[Raining hopes]

If it was like that in other slams then maybe I would agree. However, every year in RG Nadal is seeded by his current ranking.

Which usually isn't 1. That's madness as he usually comes in winning everything big on clay.

Seedings were supposed to be a projection of victors.

WB considering surface and tournament relevant result is the right way to go about.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm posting this everywhere, so get used to seeing it:

USO 14
RG 15
AO 17
W 21

This is the number of times the #1 seed has won at each of the majors, and note that it could be the 22nd time at W.

The purpose of seeding is to pick the guys most likely to win. W does the best job. The USO could tie RG this year by getting it right. The USO is possibly so unpredictable because as the last major many people are exhausted. But RG is very bad. If RG has seeded Nadal according to clay results you can add 8 to the RG total.

Wimbledon gets it right more than any other major.

Toni is making the wrong point. The trouble in seeding is at RG.

This is of far lesser importance than having the same seeding system for every tournament.

Wimbly even just goes by the regular WTA ranking for the women's tournament.

 

[Gary Duane]

If it was like that in other slams then maybe I would agree. However, every year in RG Nadal is seeded by his current ranking.

You argument is that because the other slams get worse results, W is wrong.

Bad logic.

 

[Rapenj]

Seeing as how, prior to last year, the last time Rafa made it past the 4th round of Wimbledon was 2011, maybe he should take what he got and be happy with it.

It's not prior to last year what matters, but what he actually did last year. He got to the SF, loosing in a really close match.
Because otherwise, if what matters is what he did in his whole career in Wimbledon, not just last year, why don't you guys say he made it to the final 5 times in a row, winning 2 tittles?

 

[Red Rick]

Which usually isn't 1. That's madness as he usually comes in winning everything big on clay.

Seedings were supposed to be a projection of victors.

WB considering surface and tournament relevant result is the right way to go about.

It's actively punishing players who play all surfaces.

It also really devalues the world rankings.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

If Nadal goes on to win Wimbledon, I feel like SeedingGate will be portrayed as another hardship Nadal has had to overcome. Perhaps it even takes some pressure off?

 

[Mainad]

Wimbly even just goes by the regular WTA ranking for the women's tournament.

That does seem like a contradiction and one which I would like the AELTC to explain.

 

[CosmosMpower]

Nadal sucks on grass, he should be happy he's even seeded in the top 4 having not made it to a Wimbledon final in 8 years.

He could always just withdraw if he doesn't like his seed...their tournament, their rules.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Sounds like they have heard the rumors that winning the French again does not do much for their legacy (have they been reading TTW?). They seem upset that Wimbledon is the prestigious tourney of the year. Where has all of this been in the past?

 

[Dondon]

Please boycott Wimbledon
There's a French crowd
And there's a Paris crowd
Lol

 

[Gary Duane]

This is of far lesser importance than having the same seeding system for every tournament.

Wimbly even just goes by the regular WTA ranking for the women's tournament.

W is not consistent with itself, and that's the problem I see. But I don't think the lesser success of other majors is of lesser important. I think it is the elephant.

And it would be well worth asking why the USO is not more successful. It could well be that by that time so much of the ranking is influence by clay and grass. An W winner is going to be spiked, which assume that the guys who did really well at W are favored there, or even guys who do well at both. Though I would tend to favor anyone who does well at both, since HC is more or less in the middle.

 

[D-Lite]

Don't people think it's nice to have a bit of variety in tennis? The system isn't bias toward any one player, it just favours grass form as the grass swing is so short - perhaps play some grass warm up events? Not to mention, this has been the case for over 15 years, so why is it now suddenly a huge issue? I'm no more of a Federer fan than I am a Nadal fan, but he sounds pretty insecure at the prospect of having to get past both Federer and Djokovic to win the title. If Nadal is going to win the title, I imagine he will be in good enough form to bear both of them anyway. You could argue Nadal was bigger than tennis if Federer and Djokovic never played, but non of them are bigger than tennis and the presence of the other 2 will never allow 1 of them to trump the whole sport into forcing a change.

 

[Gary Duane]

That does seem like a contradiction and one which I would like the AELTC to explain.

Doesn't this reflect the difference in agreements between W and the two bodies, men's and women's?

 

[Red Rick]

W is not consistent with itself, and that's the problem I see. But I don't think the lesser success of other majors is of lesser important. I think it is the elephant.

And it would be well worth asking why the USO is not more successful. It could well be that by that time so much of the ranking is influence by clay and grass. An W winner is going to be spiked, which assume that the guys who did really well at W are favored there, or even guys who do well at both. Though I would tend to favor anyone who does well at both, since HC is more or less in the middle.

Part of Wimbledon doing well isn't even seedings as much as it was great grass players not even going deep on grass.

USO I would mostly explain by it being the most competitive HC Slam for the longest time. Also start of the year, injuries play a lesser role, etc. At some point these statistics also get really skewed due to individual players.

Another interesting question would be how often the Wimbledon seeding system made the difference for the #1 being the winner there.

 

[GOATzilla]

Gotta love Tio Toni and his nephew. Wimbledon being exposed for it’s “oh it is ovar ta*ditions”. Classic British arrogance. Fed fans would be desecrating it if RG did anything like this.

Just LMAO @ Wimbledoom at this point. Just make it an optional 500 for the tour and keep it movin

 

[Mainad]

Doesn't this reflect the difference in agreements between W and the two bodies, men's and women's?

Evidently. But I would like to know why men and women are treated differently in this way. It does tend to undermine the principle of the special seeding when it''s used to discriminate only against the men's world seedings.

 

[Rosstour]

Shut the **** up Toni.

They are doing this to create pressure on the organizers to keep them happy re match scheduling and court assignments...and create pressure on the referees/umpires to let Rafa have his way on the court.

 

[bluetrain4]

I'm posting this everywhere, so get used to seeing it:

USO 14
RG 15
AO 17
W 21

This is the number of times the #1 seed has won at each of the majors, and note that it could be the 22nd time at W.

The purpose of seeding is to pick the guys most likely to win. W does the best job. The USO could tie RG this year by getting it right. The USO is possibly so unpredictable because as the last major many people are exhausted. But RG is very bad. If RG has seeded Nadal according to clay results you can add 8 to the RG total.

Wimbledon gets it right more than any other major.

Toni is making the wrong point. The trouble in seeding is at RG.

Caveat - I really don't care one way or the other about Wimbledon's seeding. But, as to the "purpose" of seeding - is its purpose really to predict the winner - isn't it simply to reward players and teams who have performed the best up until the tournament? "You're ranked X, thus you're seeded X" which has the at least ostensible effect of providing higher ranked/seeded players with an easier path (whether it actually turns out to be easier can't really be known). Something like the NBA post-season (among with many other sports) doesn't make subjective seed decisions in an effort to predict the winner - they just assign seeds based on the results.

 

[Mainad]

Gotta love Tio Toni and his nephew. Wimbledon being exposed for it’s “oh it is ovar ta*ditions”. Classic British arrogance. Fed fans would be desecrating it if RG did anything like this.

Just LMAO @ Wimbledoom at this point. Just make it an option 500 for the tour and keep it movin

Got any more interesting posts to contribute to this discussion?

 

[Red Rick]

Another thing is it's more gatekeeping for older players.

Not that it matters, best thing youngsters could do on grass is roll in cow dung anyway