Under real ranking system Wozniacki would never have been year end #1 either year

[DMan]

This is ultimately what it comes down to. It's desperation, trying to paper over the cracks of the real problem: It's simply been a weak WTA this last year or two (or longer, depending on your view).

Things go in cycles; we're currently at a low point and the ranking system will naturally allow a solid, consistent player all year round to sneak ahead of a one-off slam winner who goes walkabout for large chunks of the season.

But things will equalize. Kvitova and a few others will hopefully carry on improving (including Wozinacki herself, she's written off far too easily on here) and I expect this time next year to see the top 2 in the ladies rankings having at least one slam to their name in 2012.

There's no need to fix something that doesn't need fixing.

NO, the WTA ranking system has needed fixing for a LONG TIME!

Go back to the start of the current system (minus a few little tweaks), January 1997. Just look at who has ranked #1 and for how long.

It's pretty clear. It's been about QUANTITY over QUALITY. The WTA needed to figure out a way to bribe their own players to play in their own events. Make it so that it's most # of points (and throw away those bad results you don't like) rules the rankings.

How often has year end #1 won a major? Wont he most # of majors. Even reached a major final? And did the same thing ever happen in the pre-1997 rankings? Ever?

And so I'll ask again, just what is wrong with a ranking system where ALL tournaments count, and you divide the total # of points earned by # of events played, to get a point AVERAGE ? (Use a minimum tournament divisor too!) I mean everything counts, and an average is used. Easy to calculate, easy to understand.

Silly me, I want logic. And I'm addressing the WTA! What was I thinking?

 

[Caesar]

Quite good consistency (which is in fact an overstatement for Wozniacki) is not good enough to overcome a complete failure to win any important titles.

Apparently it is.

The Slams have plenty of rankings points attached to them. If 4 players who have each won a major in the last 12 months STILL can't amass enough points to surpass a slam-less Woz, then why do they deserve to be ranked number one?

Anyone who follows the WTA outside of the Slams knows that Wozniacki deserves the ranking more than anyone else in the top 10, and that it's an indictment of the tour quality rather than the ranking system. This thread is ********.

 

[NadalAgassi]

Really?

Dinosaur Fatty's only reprieve was that she had already won three grand slam singles titles previously, but that doesn't excuse YE #1 without winning a grand slam singles title.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse

Probably true but she atleast was 10 times more deserving of it than Wozniacki was. Wozniacki is the most undeserving #1 ever, even in the current worst ever WTA. Only an idiot (which covers most of planet TW unfortunately) would even try to defend her ranking, especialy up against Kvitovas year.

 

[Peters]

Only an idiot (which covers most of planet TW unfortunately) would even try to defend her ranking, especialy up against Kvitovas year.

For what it's worth, this is why you're one of my least favourite TW members, NadalAgassi.

It's the way you constantly have to insult anyone who dares have a different opinion. You say stuff like that all the time.

I often wonder whether you're actually 10 years old or thereabouts - since you come across rather immature. Having any kind of debate with you reminds me of being back in a school playground all these years ago.

Pretty much every response you give starts with a childish dig, it's getting rather tiresome.

 

[TMF]

For what it's worth, this is why you're one of my least favourite TW members, NadalAgassi.

It's the way you constantly have to insult anyone who dares have a different opinion. You say stuff like that all the time.

I often wonder whether you're actually 10 years old or thereabouts - since you come across rather immature. Having any kind of debate with you reminds me of being back in a school playground all these years ago.

Pretty much every response you give starts with a childish dig, it's getting rather tiresome.

It's like a cancer that can never be cured.

 

[NadalAgassi]

It's like a cancer that can never be cured.

That would be describing your own existence.

 

[Polaris]

For what it's worth, this is why you're one of my least favourite TW members, NadalAgassi.

It's the way you constantly have to insult anyone who dares have a different opinion. You say stuff like that all the time.

I often wonder whether you're actually 10 years old or thereabouts - since you come across rather immature. Having any kind of debate with you reminds me of being back in a school playground all these years ago.

Pretty much every response you give starts with a childish dig, it's getting rather tiresome.

Peters, see my reply above.

Don't worry too much about NadalAgassi. The guy lives on multiple messageboards and uses multiple identities on this one. His identities support different players and when he decides on a favorite player, he creates a new identity based on that player. At that point, if someone disputes him, he gets very defensive. I suggest observing what he does - it is both puzzling and funny: In spite of the moderators banning 16-20 of his usernames, he is unable to resist the temptation of creating a few more.

 

[sunof tennis]

There is just something worst than a *******...a Caroltard.

Won´t they be the same people?

Why would they be the same people?
Don't see anything remotely similar in their playing styles. The only thing I see in common, is that both seem like nice people. Maybe that's your problem?

 

[MotherMarjorie]

NO, the WTA ranking system has needed fixing for a LONG TIME!

Well, that's where the fallacy begins. The ranking system doesn't need fixed or tweeked everytime someone is number one that hasn't won a grand slam event during that calendar year.

The players need to improve their health, play more consistently and place more focus on winning grand slam events and the natural order of history will prevail.

Artifically tweeking the ranking system as a knee-jerk reaction is never good for the sport. Every player is bound by one set of ranking rules and that should be good enough.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse

 

[jones101]

Well, that's where the fallacy begins. The ranking system doesn't need fixed or tweeked everytime someone is number one that hasn't won a grand slam event during that calendar year.

The players need to improve their health, play more consistently and place more focus on winning grand slam events and the natural order of history will prevail.

Artifically tweeking the ranking system as a knee-jerk reaction is never good for the sport. Every player is bound by one set of ranking rules and that should be good enough.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse

Thank you, this post is full of win.

The system is similar to the mens, but it is up to the top 10 to play consistency and become better mentally. If players only get hot for a few weeks a year, its their fault shes ranked number 1!

 

[BeHappy]

What is really amusing is that, on the other tennis forum from which the OP was taken, NadalAgassi is still known as justineheninfan. Apparently, he sings the praises of Henin on that forum, while trashing her on this forum.

This makes me laugh.

The man is insane.

 

[kiki]

Why would they be the same people?
Don't see anything remotely similar in their playing styles. The only thing I see in common, is that both seem like nice people. Maybe that's your problem?

Not, since I never met either federer or wozniacki.And, that´s for sure, I never evaluate people that I have not met and talked with.

I can have opinions on their game, personality or whatever, but I am not judging them in any sense

 

[sunof tennis]

So what is the same about Fed and Woz in your opinion? Not picking a fight, just curious.

 

[kiki]

So what is the same about Fed and Woz in your opinion? Not picking a fight, just curious.

other than being up middle class in 2 of the richest - and cleanest- countries in the world ( Switzerland and Denmark) I wouldn´t know.See, I´ve never been interested in Federer and I just heard of Wozniacky a few time ago, so I can´t have an opinion on them, other that commenting a little bit their play