Undisputable facts about the Sinner situation.

[mtommer]

1. Many of us don't care and Sinner will play again three months from now.

If you do care...

2. If you think he should have gotten more of a consequence or it's not fair or whatever, well, too bad. You have no power. You can't change a thing and Sinner will play again three months from now.

3. If you think WADA never should have gotten involved, or you believe Sinner, or whatever, well, too bad. He agreed to what he agreed to. You have no power. You can't change a thing and Sinner will play again three months from now.

The result is undisputable and the same in any scenario. Arguing back and forth now really is lunacy.

 

[Fabresque]

Not about arguing back and forth, it’s raising concerns about the questionable process. Very rarely do players intentionally dope in these cases. I troll a lot, I don’t actually think he intended to cheat. But why was Sinner’s case handled much quicker and easier than the countless others that had horrendous court proceedings and processes that have taken careers away?

It’s clear to me that Sinner’s case was expedited to the max so that he could be returned to play as quickly as possible. He is a World No.1 and generational talent who is capable of many multi-slam winning seasons, akin to the Big 3. Huge $$$ in play for the ATP to keep him in. A 1-2 year ban would be disastrous for them as well as Sinner.

 

[Bartelby]

There are people who submit to power and there are others who choose to criticise injustice however impotent that may seem initially.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Not about arguing back and forth, it’s raising concerns about the questionable process. Very rarely do players intentionally dope in these cases. I troll a lot, I don’t actually think he intended to cheat. But why was Sinner’s case handled much quicker and easier than the countless others that had horrendous court proceedings and processes that have taken careers away?

It’s clear to me that Sinner’s case was expedited to the max so that he could be returned to play as quickly as possible. He is a World No.1 and generational talent who is capable of many multi-slam winning seasons, akin to the Big 3. Huge $$$ in play for the ATP to keep him in. A 1-2 year ban would be disastrous for them as well as Sinner.

Because he was number 2 in the world then. And the tennis machinery needs the money he brings.

Always follow the money

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

Because he was number 2 in the world then. And the tennis machinery needs the money he brings.

Always follow the money

Money? He has limited appeal. 49 out of 50 people at Wal-Mart couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

“Well too bad, you have no power”.

Geez, sounds like you’d support a dictator alienating people in society since they have the power and you wouldn’t fight back.

But what you forget is, we the people also have power and considering how many tennis players and the general public are disgusted by this process, it’s important to highlight how corrupt and dodgy it is just cause you accept it and want to sweep it under a rug doesn’t mean we need to.

 

[Fabresque]

Money? He has limited appeal. 49 out of 50 people at Wal-Mart couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

Where? In the U.S.? Most ppl wouldn’t even know the Big 3. I had a lesson with a 15 year old high schooler yesterday, he knew two professional players. Serena and Venus Williams. Looked clueless when I mentioned Nadal (because we were doing a drill that Nadal did as a kid).

US ain’t the big market for the most part. Europe is where it’s at.

 

[mtommer]

But what you forget is, we the people also have power and considering how many tennis players and the general public are disgusted by this process, it’s important to highlight how corrupt.

No, you don't and the situation is now done. You're going to accept whether you like it or not as in 3 months he'll be back playing and nothing you can say or do will change it.
If you want to talk about corruption in general you can of course. As it relates to Sinner, now, you're done, practically speaking. Sometimes, dicatorialesque power is necessary to fight and end corruption, btw. One just needs to apply said power justly and let it go when the corruption is ended.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

No, you don't and the situation is now done. You're going to accept whether you like it or not as in 3 months he'll be back playing and nothing you can say or do will change it.
If you want to talk about corruption in general you can of course. As it relates to Sinner, now, you're done, practically speaking. Sometimes, dicatorialesque power is necessary to fight and end corruption, btw. One just needs to apply said power justly and let it go when the corruption is ended.

So you do admit it’s corruption? But that I need to accept it once the 3 months is over?

 

[mtommer]

So you do admit it’s corruption? But that I need to accept it once the 3 months is over?

He'll be back in 3 months, he will be play.

 

[kabrac]

It's a shame the same rigorous requirements can't move to other sports, like baseball and football...but no, football is "Ameriiiiica"...."

In tennis, if you use icyHot, you're juicing. I don't care one way or the other. Didn't watch the superbowl, didn't really read up on corbisol, or whatever was supposedly on the guys fingertips giving Sinner a massage. I don't care. We are here typing because we are bored great players of yesteryear are retired and gone and tennis has become boring.

I do not support doping or juicing of any kind though to get an advantage. A banned substance is obviously banned for a reason. And like one user said, money talks. God forbid someone stands in the way of maximizing profit for tv, endorsements or whatever.

If I lost to a player that juiced, and I found out, I still wouldn't care. I need to be better, not worry about someone using icyHot. Now, if we're talking taking Adderall or Ritalin, during a match or bathroom break....that's a whole different thing.

 

[JMR]

It’s clear to me that Sinner’s case was expedited to the max so that he could be returned to play as quickly as possible.

That makes no sense. "Expedited to the max"? It has taken approximately 11 months from Sinner's positive tests to reach the agreed-upon resolution, and by the time Sinner's suspension is over, about 14 months will have elapsed. Even if that is not glacially slow, in no universe is it "as quickly as possible." If your unnamed conspirators had really been trying to make the enforcement process as quick and easy as possible for Sinner, there would have been no appeal by WADA in the first place.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Once again, this is a forum dedicated to tennis, for conspiracy theories there are always flat-earther or no-vax forums available.

 

[Bartelby]

The idea that powerful bodies try to arrange things in their interests is called ... a realist approach to social organisations.

You live in Fantasyland, the happiest Kingdom of them all.

Once again, this is a forum dedicated to tennis, for conspiracy theories there are always flat-earther or no-vax forums available.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

That makes no sense. "Expedited to the max"? It has taken approximately 11 months from Sinner's positive tests to reach the agreed-upon resolution, and by the time Sinner's suspension is over, about 14 months will have elapsed. Even if that is not glacially slow, in no universe is it "as quickly as possible." If your unnamed conspirators had really been trying to make the enforcement process as quick and easy as possible for Sinner, there would have been no appeal by WADA in the first place.

It was expedited. Sinner was allowed to play on through the process. He played 2 slams before it was even made known to the public that he failed two doping tests. That doesn’t happen in tennis.

Gasquet, Cilic, Troicki, Halep, Sharapova and so many more were told to the public,

Sinner played for 5 more months before anyone knew he doped (intentional or not). He was protected.

Then when WADA wanted to investigate he got to play on further and he even won the Australian Open and then now he gets banned but doesn’t get stripped of anything and will return just in time for RG.

Suspicious, no?

 

[TheSlicer]

It's a shame the same rigorous requirements can't move to other sports, like baseball and football...but no, football is "Ameriiiiica"...."

In tennis, if you use icyHot, you're juicing. I don't care one way or the other. Didn't watch the superbowl, didn't really read up on corbisol, or whatever was supposedly on the guys fingertips giving Sinner a massage. I don't care. We are here typing because we are bored great players of yesteryear are retired and gone and tennis has become boring.

I do not support doping or juicing of any kind though to get an advantage. A banned substance is obviously banned for a reason. And like one user said, money talks. God forbid someone stands in the way of maximizing profit for tv, endorsements or whatever.

If I lost to a player that juiced, and I found out, I still wouldn't care. I need to be better, not worry about someone using icyHot. Now, if we're talking taking Adderall or Ritalin, during a match or bathroom break....that's a whole different thing.

So if you found out a player that beat you was using steroids while you were there fighting your heart out after some hard matches and he was fresh as a rose thanks to chemicals you wouldnt care? Strange, no one was found guilty of using icy hot, is steroids we talking about, the Guy can say steroids were from his new tooth paste or whatever It fits but the only fact is steroids were found in the blood, doesnt Matter if its true or not as we Will never know, but the only real fact is the blood test, im just talking in the hypothetical case a player was found guilty of doping with that, personally, i know i would mind

 

[Winner Sinner]

The idea that powerful bodies try to arrange things in their interests is called ... a realist approach to social organisations.

You live in Fantasyland, the happiest Kingdom of them all.

You never answered this question of mine, let's see if you can do it now.

If, in your opinion, Sinner was protected for the interests of the strong powers, why didn't the strong powers that look after their own interests by protecting Sinner prevent the two positive doping tests from becoming public knowledge by covering up the matter from the beginning?

Yet another hole in the conspiracy theorists' script.

 

[ebar86]

The decision somehow bit strange but could be a bit fairer if he is stripped off the titles in which the substance was in his system. Like the cyclist Armstrong.

Expecting the boos in the crowd after 3 months though.

 

[Winner Sinner]

@Bartelby

During the 1988 US trials, the American federation covered up Carl Lewis' positive tests to allow their flagship to participate in the subsequent Olympics.

During the 2001 Tour of Switzerland, the international cycling union covered up the positive results of Lance Armstrong, their goose that laid the golden eggs and brought lots of sponsorship to the movement.

Why in this specific case did the powers that be not immediately cover up Sinner's positive cases, allowing them to be made public?

Why?

Give me an answer from the top of your honorary degree in terms of conspiracy theory.

 

[JMR]

The decision somehow bit strange but could be a bit fairer if he is stripped off the titles in which the substance was in his system.

Do you not understand the basic facts of the case? No "decision" was reached recently -- the three-month suspension is the result of a negotiated resolution. It's a settlement, not a decision. And regardless of how the outcome is classfied, the question of altering tournament results has been dead for many months. It's a nonissue. The Independent Tribunal found that Sinner's accidental exposure had no impact on competition. Neither the ITIA nor WADA disagreed with that. You're proposing an unnecessary solution to a nonexistent problem.

 

[TheSlicer]

Do you not understand the basic facts of the case? No "decision" was reached recently -- the three-month suspension is the result of a negotiated resolution. It's a settlement, not a decision. And regardless of how the outcome is classfied, the question of altering tournament results has been dead for many months. It's a nonissue. The Independent Tribunal found that Sinner's accidental exposure had no impact on competition. Neither the ITIA nor WADA disagreed with that. You're proposing an unnecessary solution to a nonexistent problem.

they did take away the points and money from indian wells didnt they? the strange things are basically two: that he was allowed to compete while his case was going on, and that the wada, who was looking for a 2 year ban settled for 3 months and with obviously a convenient date, and look, 3 specialists alledgedly found sinners explanation plausible, but as its normal, people have a hard time swallowing that an elite tennis physio used a cream in his hand that had a big doping logo on it, while working with his bare hands on sinners body everyday

 

[sovertennis]

So you do admit it’s corruption? But that I need to accept it once the 3 months is over?

And your alternative is what, exactly?

 

[Aussie Darcy]

And your alternative is what, exactly?

Personally, would’ve just gone just 1 month more. Make him miss one slam to actually give a punishment. I didn’t want Sinner banned for life or a year. But to have him return right in time for the next slam and also get to play his home Masters? Could they have made it any more obviously corrupt?

 

[messiahrobins]

How is it that it seems Djokovic and his buddy Kyrgios are the most vexxed over all this and Djokovic fans?
Sinner's actual age rivals seem either ambivalent (Draper) or totally silent (Alcaraz).
Djokovic pretty much admitted today given his remarks in his presser that he did draft that PTPA statement given what he said was almost verbatim what was in that statement lol. @Rosstour was spot on al along

 

[kabrac]

So if you found out a player that beat you was using steroids while you were there fighting your heart out after some hard matches and he was fresh as a rose thanks to chemicals you wouldnt care? Strange, no one was found guilty of using icy hot, is steroids we talking about, the Guy can say steroids were from his new tooth paste or whatever It fits but the only fact is steroids were found in the blood, doesnt Matter if its true or not as we Will never know, but the only real fact is the blood test, im just talking in the hypothetical case a player was found guilty of doping with that, personally, i know i would mind

No, I wouldn't care. If I gave it everything in training and the match, I at least can look myself in the mirror, and be able to live with myself. A good life.

It's more satisfying to beat a player using enhancement substances. It doesn't guarantee a win. Maybe they should put that on the label.

 

[Drighiz]

The decision somehow bit strange but could be a bit fairer if he is stripped off the titles in which the substance was in his system. Like the cyclist Armstrong.

Expecting the boos in the crowd after 3 months though.

Eh? But he was indeed stripped of points and prize money for Indian Wells man. The substance was only in his blood during that instance, during that tournament, and in infinitesimal quantity I may add. I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[TheSlicer]

No, I wouldn't care. If I gave it everything in training and the match, I at least can look myself in the mirror, and be able to live with myself. A good life.

It's more satisfying to beat a player using enhancement substances. It doesn't guarantee a win. Maybe they should put that on the label.

i dont know man, maybe you would think that later but theres a lot at stake in the atp circuit, and to everyone outside the top 50 a win more or less can mean a lot

 

[kabrac]

i dont know man, maybe you would think that later but theres a lot at stake in the atp circuit, and to everyone outside the top 50 a win more or less can mean a lot

I respect your thoughts on it. I can understand why people wouldn't see it like I do. No worries. I can see both sides of the coin. Good discussion.

 

[vokazu]

The result is undisputable and the same in any scenario. Arguing back and forth now really is lunacy.

Lol are you really expecting the whole world should now shut up and should not speak up about doping? Dream on.

 

[Bartelby]

The one indisputable fact about the Sinner situation is that he has red hair.

 

[vokazu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1891114888027570385

 

[vokazu]

The one indisputable fact about the Sinner situation is that he has red hair.

More like orangey ginger. Otherwise it looks like fresh blood.

 

[TheSlicer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1891114888027570385

and hes exactly talking about the contador case i comented, yeah 0,000001 of clembuterol, he said he got it eating a steak, lol

 

[vokazu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890997042337726673

 

[vokazu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890708077755711959

 

[mtommer]

Lol are you really expecting the whole world should now shut up and should not speak up about doping? Dream on.

About doping? No. About Sinner's case? Yes. It's now officially resolved regardless of whether anyone does or doesn't agree with the resolution. Dream on? Well, you have me on that one.

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

1. Many of us don't care and Sinner will play again three months from now.

If you do care...

2. If you think he should have gotten more of a consequence or it's not fair or whatever, well, too bad. You have no power. You can't change a thing and Sinner will play again three months from now.

3. If you think WADA never should have gotten involved, or you believe Sinner, or whatever, well, too bad. He agreed to what he agreed to. You have no power. You can't change a thing and Sinner will play again three months from now.

The result is undisputable and the same in any scenario. Arguing back and forth now really is lunacy.

The very foundation this forum is based on.

 

[Rosstour]

How is it that it seems Djokovic and his buddy Kyrgios are the most vexxed over all this and Djokovic fans?
Sinner's actual age rivals seem either ambivalent (Draper) or totally silent (Alcaraz).
Djokovic pretty much admitted today given his remarks in his presser that he did draft that PTPA statement given what he said was almost verbatim what was in that statement lol. @Rosstour was spot on al along

Thank you, thank you!

 

[vokazu]

How is it that it seems Djokovic and his buddy Kyrgios are the most vexxed over all this and Djokovic fans?
Sinner's actual age rivals seem either ambivalent (Draper) or totally silent (Alcaraz).
Djokovic pretty much admitted today given his remarks in his presser that he did draft that PTPA statement given what he said was almost verbatim what was in that statement lol. @Rosstour was spot on al along

Most vexed? Excuse me, there is Wawrinka, Tara Moore, Pegula, Tim Henman, Liam Broady, Medvedev, Zverev, Aussie Media suggesting stripping off Sinner's AO title.

 

[vokazu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890832252482859217

 

[messiahrobins]

Most vexed? Excuse me, there is Wawrinka, Tara Moore, Pegula, Tim Henman, Liam Broady, Medvedev, Zverev, Aussie Media suggesting stripping off Sinner's AO title.

No. Henman stated Sinner is innocent and merely says there needs to be more consistency. Aussie media you refer to is one tennis newspaper. Zverev is non comittal and again is in the Henman camp. Medvedev keeps getting beat by Sinner so his view is sort of irrelevant anyway. Broady has his own interests at play, but i shall not go into that. Tara Moore is on Sinners side actually. Pegula has reasons to go against Sinner so again she is bias.