Why I was criticizing uniqlo items before I even try?
I feel like that These uniqlo fabrics have similar characters to old materials (pre-2009 products) which was used by adidas and Nike’s cheapest line.
Also is there any rule here that I can not have initial impression on products? did I complain about performance of Uniqlo products before I tried? If I was criticizing any performance issues before I try the products then I agree that I was wrong but Mainly I wrote about how I feel about material, fit etc...
after I try products, I might add more impressions especially performance aspects.
Nishkori‘s shirt fit is better since it’s close to true fit or slightly slim fit. When I see Nishkori’s shirts line from armpit to bottom opening, it has slight curve line which makes slight slim fit but close enough to true fit so it’s consistent.
If those sizes are slightly tight, I can go one size up but Federer shirts “Fit” is somewhat strange. Shoulder to shoulder is almost baggy fit, armpit to armpit is true fit then bottom opening is almost slim fit.
L size looks a little large and M size fits better but bottom opening is a little tight. There is a good possibility that uniqlo might use actual Federer’s measurement for his line but retail version size should be more generalized in my opinion.
I started to play tennis in 2008 since then I bought and sold at least $100000 worth of tennis apparels and accessories.
Also involved with manufacturing several tennis apparels and accessories. Probably tested at least 200 different materials during that period.
Textile industry was noticeably better after 2009 in my opinion especially poly and nylon materials.
Poly and nylon materials used be rough and some irritating feeling from fabric but starting from a few years ago, materials are as good as cotton like feeling for certain polyester.
You keep talking about performance of apparels but poly is poly. Most of Poly materials have a good sweat management. Some poly materials are less effective for a sweat management but that does not mean fabrics are bad quality. The reason might be derived from weight of fabrics and those are more suitable to fall and winter tennis apparel season products. I don’t believe there is fabrics which will give perfect sweat management. Often people complain about Nadal’s apparel material but he sweats more than regular people and no fabric can give him a solution. Even Yonex made a fabric which will not stick to body but it still sticks to body when players have heavy sweat.
When any manufacturers make inside of pockets, either they use same material of shorts or thin stretchable mesh materials instead of using terry cloth material which absorb more sweat like sponge. That’s the reason terry cloth fabric should not be used for inside pockets in my opinion.
As for UV thing. Since material was almost see-through (actually it bothers me more than UV protection), I was a little concerning about UV protection. Someone said uniqlo shirts are UV protected material but I can not find any information on UV protection at all. Checked all tags but find nothing so I assume these shirts are not UV protective fabric.
Honestly I less care about UV protection.
During fall and winter time, I only use indoor courts for 1 hrs 30min drills which involve some doubles. If there are many intensive players during that session, I might sweat lightly but It won’t be enough to evaluate products fairly. The facility is big and very well temperature controlled place.
Everyone is different someone sweats more like Nadal and monfils and someone sweats less.
Winter time some people show up more often for drills so I see 6 more players with one coach then hitting chance is much less instead of 2-4 player with one coach ratio.
Also in late fall and winter, I often use 85% poly and 15 cotton mixed fabric apparels. It absorbs sweat slightly more than poly shirts but I prefer those fabrics. Other than that GA weather is fine to play outdoor with some layers during winter. I totally agree that If I play indoor single game, I will sweat decently but I don’t play indoor single game unless one of my friend invites me to his club ( I remember the place was warmer feeling since they ran more heaters than so I sweated more there).
I did not criticize quality of items which I have not received at all.
Also Last comment was joke-like comment.
I don’t blame anything to Fed. I just want to see good tennis products from uniqlo and they can easily do it since they have all the tools. That was my point.
You say that you didn't criticize the quality of the fabrics, yet you continue to talk negatively about "the qualities of the fabrics" when you haven't even tried them.
What is more, you compare them with other fabrics, using the word "cheap", after which, interestingly, you say that you expect them to work well, because they have the right material, so which one is it?
If they work well, then at worst the feel of the fabrics to the touch will feel rough, and not as smooth.
Then again, Lacoste also produces fabrics that are really dry (it is even in the name), which is not a negative, as they don't feel unpleasant next to the skin, and work very well.
I expect a person that has had over "100000 dollars" of items in his hands in the past ten years to know that and not rush to make statements that at best give a misleading impression to someone, who might not have as great experience.
I am not aware of any rules regarding posting impressions, but I wasn’t criticizing your choice of posting impressions, but rather the poor choice of criteria and descriptions.
From your initial impressions the one thing that was worth reading was the information about the fit.
While that is also a personal choice and preference, I at least can understand when you compare it with other fits for the benefit of the general reader.
I don't find the fit you are describing particularly strange, and think that you might be correct when you say that they probably modeled it after Federer's physique.
It is suitable for people that are relatively fit and have broad shoulders.
Customers that lack that physique might be advised to look elsewhere.
The "UV" misunderstanding might be caused by poor wording.
You initially said "and Uniqlo tag said UV protected fabric", so I assumed that you read it on the tag of the garments, or at least on their website in the garments' descriptions.
Then you changed your statements to "someone said Uniqlo shirts are UV protected material", which is a completely different thing.
I don't know about whether terry cloth is suitable for pockets, but only because you or I haven't encountered that until now doesn't mean that Uniqlo doesn't know what they are doing.
I have other high performance pieces of apparel that have terry cloth (most notably winter garments for cycling and virtually all my summer cycling gloves) that is actually used for sweat management, so I advise that judgment is withheld until the things are tested.
I talk about performance, because that is what a customer expects from the garment.
If every poly does its job to transport the sweat effectively, then we have a reason to be happy.
Still, some materials are better than others, so how a certain item performs is not irrelevant to the impression we get from the garment.
If a garment is doing well, then it is a reason to consider it good.
If it is exceptional, then that is its main point.
I don't consider your statements about the "pre 2009 poly garments" correct.
I have poly or some other synthetic fibers garments going back to the 80ies, and while the level of finishing might have improved, there is no such a cutoff, nor the materials from the past are as unpleasant as you seem to be implying, or the modern ones are necessarily better.
Recently I had the chance to examine the RF polo from the AO 2018, and, boy was that a disappointment: paper-thin material, perforations in different places and in different patterns, slick as a nylon bag.
If the discussion is about feel or "hand" of the fabric, that must rate as one of the worst out there, so while the finishing might have improved that is no guarantee for a better feeling fabric.
Ditto some of the Lacoste products, not to speak of the general lines of Diadora, Lotto, Babs, Head etc.
As to whether a fabric will "stick" to the body - that is not the main concern.
The main concern is that when it is drenched in sweat it doesn't feel like you are wearing a garbage bag.
I am a bit perplexed by your insistence on certain formulaic definition for the best fiber content proportion.
Many of my best garments (tennis and non-tennis) doesn't follow that formula.