Unpopular Opinion: Sinner will win less slams than Agassi!

[yash_chanda72]

I know lot of you think that Sinner can win the calendar slam given his current form, but I believe he can not win more than 5 slams, even if he is super lucky he can win 7 slams, that's the threshold, beyond that it is not possible for him to continue.

This is my opinion by judging the circumstances, as the next generation will come forward and beat him on a consistent basis he will not be able to win more than that.

Thoughts??

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

Yes. It's an unpopular opinion.

 

[Sephiroth]

His first slam winning year and you already talking about a new generation trying to beat him lol

let the current generation cook ffs, it's just started to sizzle

 

[Sudacafan]

If the WADA gives Sinner a 4 year ban, it may happen.

 

[Sephiroth]

If the WADA gives Sinner a 4 year ban, it may happen.

Hello Sudacafan

 

[nolefam_2024]

Thoughts are

Sinner wins 7+ slams.
He will most likely win way more than Agassi but for now I am ok with just 1 less than Andre as well

 

[nolefam_2024]

If anyone doubts sinner

They are sinners

There is absolutely zero doubting sinner now. He is far and away the best player on the tour. Will become all time great

 

[Pheasant]

Sinner is at an ATG level on courts already. Only Federer and Djokovic have pulled off the calendar year hard court slam. I have a feeling that he’s going to be a monster on clay soon as well. Sinneraz on clay will be like Lendl vs Wilander on the dirt. That leaves only grass courts as the big question mark. How good is he on grass courts? My gut says top-3, but just barely. However, he should improve there as well.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner is at an ATG level on courts already. Only Federer and Djokovic have pulled off the calendar year hard court slam. I have a feeling that he’s going to be a monster on clay soon as well. Sinneraz on clay will be like Lendl vs Wilander on the dirt. That leaves only grass courts as the big question mark. How good is he on grass courts? My gut says top-3, but just barely. However, he should improve there as well.

Who do you think can possibly even stop him.

He is top 2 elo on grass now. Only guy ahead of him, he beat in 4 sets in 2022.

I think he would be a monster on grass as well.

 

[Pheasant]

Who do you think can possibly even stop him.

He is top 2 elo on grass now. Only guy ahead of him, he beat in 4 sets in 2022.

I think he would be a monster on grass as well.

Right now, Djoker and Alcaraz can stop him on grass is my gut feeling. That is interesting that he’s #2 on ELO on grass. The 2025 grass court season will be very interesting. Perhaps Sinner will be a threat there too.

 

[objection_]

Sinner's level is clearly better than the Tpas, Z and Med trio + those lower ranked and virtually all of the lost gen barring maybe Thiem.
I'll be happy to watch him at practice at AO 2025, take some videos and post them for the board. The "tennis always evolves" theory rightfully gets lots of flack because it really feels like there's barely been any improvement in level, if not a decline since the late 2000's The average speeds and spins may have increased over the years but technique, intangibles and volley skills seem on the low, at least until Raz and Sinner have come up. I am pretty convinced at this point that Raz and Sinner would be lethal forces between the early 2000's up until Fed begins his domination, just watching court level reels and their athleticism is certainly more impressive than the previous generations barring the big 3.

 

[objection_]

Right now, Djoker and Alcaraz can stop him on grass is my gut feeling. That is interesting that he’s #2 on ELO on grass. The 2025 grass court season will be very interesting. Perhaps Sinner will be a threat there too.

IMO Sinner is already better than all of the lostgen/next gen on grass except berrettini, dimitrov and raonic. Where he needs to improve is his movement, I feel like he's over reliant on sliding and would do better to take lots of small steps in order to prevent being wrong footed.

 

[Pheasant]

IMO Sinner is already better than all of the lostgen/next gen on grass except berrettini, dimitrov and raonic. Where he needs to improve is his movement, I feel like he's over reliant on sliding and would do better to take lots of small steps in order to prevent being wrong footed.

That was my initial thought as well. He’s got to improve his movement on grass. And that should be a relatively easy fix over the next couple of years.

 

[Subway Tennis]

I can’t remember the last time I saw someone win a major more easily than Sinner did in New York. He has just had a 2 major season.

He went deep at every tournament he entered during the clay swing (theoretically his “weakest” surface, if you can call it that) while playing with one functioning hamstring.

Some pretty severe and unforeseen external circumstances would have to eventuate for him to finish with anything less than an Agassi-level major haul in the next decade.

It’s a simple fact of the matter, and I have been saying this for a year now, that at the major level Alcaraz and Sinner are just way, way better than anyone else. The difference between Sinncaraz and the field is a little bit tighter at the Bo3 level, which is the only thing keeping men’s tennis interesting at the moment.

 

[Nate7-5]

I remember certain people on this board were acting like the sky was falling for the sport when these all time greats retire (now down to 1), but I gotta say the sport is in good hands if I get to watch Sinncarez for at least another decade! He's certainly sparking some lively discussion on this board.

 

[Tennfan123]

Sinner ain’t getting anywhere close to a Callander year grand slam lol

 

[ghostofMecir]

I know lot of you think that Sinner can win the calendar slam given his current form, but I believe he can not win more than 5 slams, even if he is super lucky he can win 7 slams, that's the threshold, beyond that it is not possible for him to continue.

This is my opinion by judging the circumstances, as the next generation will come forward and beat him on a consistent basis he will not be able to win more than that.

Thoughts??

”Fewer”

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner's level is clearly better than the Tpas, Z and Med trio + those lower ranked and virtually all of the lost gen barring maybe Thiem.
I'll be happy to watch him at practice at AO 2025, take some videos and post them for the board. The "tennis always evolves" theory rightfully gets lots of flack because it really feels like there's barely been any improvement in level, if not a decline since the late 2000's The average speeds and spins may have increased over the years but technique, intangibles and volley skills seem on the low, at least until Raz and Sinner have come up. I am pretty convinced at this point that Raz and Sinner would be lethal forces between the early 2000's up until Fed begins his domination, just watching court level reels and their athleticism is certainly more impressive than the previous generations barring the big 3.

Tennis always evolves theories are right.

It's right that big 3 had such a technical lead that they kept up with new guys. But if you see the average pace of the game and spins, it's gone through the roof.

Sinner is hardest hitting number 1 now. His groundstrokes burn through the ground. I would also like to watch him live next year.

 

[Cabeza del Demonio]

The disrespect to Andre is insane here. Since when did it become disrespectful to say anyone would accomplish less than Andre Agassi? 8 Majors is no joke. Just because he's won 2 Majors this season doesn't guarantee he'll keep winning into the future. He's 23 now, he's got about 5 or 6 years left in his prime (and I don't wanna hear about how "35 is the new 25," just look at Medvedev and Tsitsipas already past their prime now), and I'd be massively surprised if new rivals don't show up for him and Alcaraz. This isn't Federer/Djokovic/Nadal who we can just shoe-in for 2 Majors a year ad infinitum. That kind of dominance is the exception, not the norm.

He's also yet to prove himself on clay or even on grass really. Now personally, I do think he will eventually reach the Agassi ballpark. But that's me predicting him to be one of the greatest ever, and I could very well be wrong.

 

[nolefam_2024]

The disrespect to Andre is insane here. Since when did it become disrespectful to say anyone would accomplish less than Andre Agassi? 8 Majors is no joke. Just because he's won 2 Majors this season doesn't guarantee he'll keep winning into the future. He's 23 now, he's got about 5 or 6 years left in his prime (and I don't wanna hear about how "35 is the new 25," just look at Medvedev and Tsitsipas already past their prime now), and I'd be massively surprised if new rivals don't show up for him and Alcaraz. This isn't Federer/Djokovic/Nadal who we can just shoe-in for 2 Majors a year ad infinitum. That kind of dominance is the exception, not the norm.

He's also yet to prove himself on clay or even on grass really. Now personally, I do think he will eventually reach the Agassi ballpark. But that's me predicting him to be one of the greatest ever, and I could very well be wrong.

No one here is disrespecting Andre.

If we have to disrespect someone first will be Andy Murray. He is going down soon.

2 slams this year for sinner. He will go beyond Andy Murray by 2026.

 

[nolefam_2024]

The disrespect to Andre is insane here. Since when did it become disrespectful to say anyone would accomplish less than Andre Agassi? 8 Majors is no joke. Just because he's won 2 Majors this season doesn't guarantee he'll keep winning into the future. He's 23 now, he's got about 5 or 6 years left in his prime (and I don't wanna hear about how "35 is the new 25," just look at Medvedev and Tsitsipas already past their prime now), and I'd be massively surprised if new rivals don't show up for him and Alcaraz. This isn't Federer/Djokovic/Nadal who we can just shoe-in for 2 Majors a year ad infinitum. That kind of dominance is the exception, not the norm.

He's also yet to prove himself on clay or even on grass really. Now personally, I do think he will eventually reach the Agassi ballpark. But that's me predicting him to be one of the greatest ever, and I could very well be wrong.

Also cut the crap about Agassi

If you think sinner has 5 years left then where was bald Agassi at 28.

He had 3 slams. So don't go extreme. Andre played till 35. Big 3 35+

Medvedev has shoulder injury he will be back. Sinner is here for 10+ years no doubt. This theory how athletes should age by 28 is all crap at this pt.

 

[FeroBango]

IMO Sinner is already better than all of the lostgen/next gen on grass except berrettini, dimitrov and raonic. Where he needs to improve is his movement, I feel like he's over reliant on sliding and would do better to take lots of small steps in order to prevent being wrong footed.

It's okay. The skiier is a phenomenal mover.

 

[objection_]

Tennis always evolves theories are right.

It's right that big 3 had such a technical lead that they kept up with new guys. But if you see the average pace of the game and spins, it's gone through the roof.

Sinner is hardest hitting number 1 now. His groundstrokes burn through the ground. I would also like to watch him live next year.

Evolution of tennis is most clear with Sinner and Alcaraz now, tough to not see them being reasonably competitive in any era.
Problem with lost gen, next gen is despite the pace of the game and spins increasing a bit, it wasn't enough to compensate for the decline in other areas, either in terms of technique or in terms of mentality and strategy.
These two guys are the first since the Big 3 and probably Murray to integrate the increased pace of the game with almost big 3 level point construction, tennis IQ and strategy/plays, which is why they are clearly levels above nextgen/lostgen at the moment, having had the time to mature. This gap is only going to get bigger in the coming years.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

I don't see him getting double digits. Perhaps he can get to 9 but he's not going to be the next GOAT as some posters here have overhyped him to be. Currently you can write him off at Wimbledon and the French and there's many good hard court players to challenge him at the AO & USO.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Also cut the crap about Agassi

If you think sinner has 5 years left then where was bald Agassi at 28.

He had 3 slams. So don't go extreme. Andre played till 35. Big 3 35+

Medvedev has shoulder injury he will be back. Sinner is here for 10+ years no doubt. This theory how athletes should age by 28 is all crap at this pt.

I think people really have gotten used to the big 3 with their longevity and forget that many players call it quits in their early 30s. I don't expect Sinner or Alcaraz or Medvedev to be playing til 37 like Novak or til basically 40 like Federer and Serena were.

We've already seen a bunch of players from Schwartzman to Thiem to Danielle Collins to Muguruza all call it a day in 2024 in their early 30's. And they weren't even breakout players from when they were young like Sinner has been. To expect Sinner to still be on tour in 13+ years time is a crazy thing to assume.

 

[objection_]

It's okay. The skiier is a phenomenal mover.

He's already a great mover on hards, just needs that extra improvement on the natural surfaces to be even more consistent.

 

[Gary Duane]

I know lot of you think that Sinner can win the calendar slam given his current form, but I believe he can not win more than 5 slams, even if he is super lucky he can win 7 slams, that's the threshold, beyond that it is not possible for him to continue.

This is my opinion by judging the circumstances, as the next generation will come forward and beat him on a consistent basis he will not be able to win more than that.

Thoughts??

My only thought is that predictions are generally foolish. You are attempting to predict how long Sinner is going to be a dominant player. I can only judge where he is right now and to my eyes he is presently a very formidable player. But whether or not he will win multiple slams multiple years is something that no one can predict. So his stans will predict that he will do better than he actually will do. And his haters will undervalue his potential. The reality will likely be in between those two extremes.

 

[Tano]

He went deep at every tournament he entered during the clay swing (theoretically his “weakest” surface, if you can call it that) while playing with one functioning hamstring.

Some pretty severe and unforeseen external circumstances would have to eventuate for him to finish with anything less than an Agassi-level major haul in the next decade.

It’s a simple fact of the matter, and I have been saying this for a year now, that at the major level Alcaraz and Sinner are just way, way better than anyone else. The difference between Sinncaraz and the field is a little bit tighter at the Bo3 level, which is the only thing keeping men’s tennis interesting at the moment.

The current competition for the two of them is child's play.

 

[Rovesciarete]

Some pretty severe and unforeseen external circumstances would have to eventuate for him to finish with anything less than an Agassi-level major haul in the next decade.

It’s a simple fact of the matter, and I have been saying this for a year now, that at the major level Alcaraz and Sinner are just way, way better than anyone else. The difference between Sinncaraz and the field is a little bit tighter at the Bo3 level, which is the only thing keeping men’s tennis interesting at the moment.

As so often we agree. When I wrote about the Duet of Fire and Ice lots of people were rather negative about the last title-less months of Alcaraz before IW but the stats showed greatly improved performance over the last 52 months.

Struggling Carlos is winning 55.8% of total points, holding 89.1% of serve and breaking it 34.5% in 2024 with a dominance ration of 1.45. Jannik is 55.4%, 93.7% and 29.6% respectively against stronger opponents with a DR of 1.39. This is after a great last 52 weeks for both. However this year so far they are matching the stats of the best seasons of the big 3. Of course this should return to the mean but where will that mean be during their prime?

Sinneraz have such a margin over the ex-Djokovic opposition that tennis might become mostly a Duet at the majors until a new force emerges.

 

[Cabeza del Demonio]

Also cut the crap about Agassi

If you think sinner has 5 years left then where was bald Agassi at 28.

He had 3 slams. So don't go extreme. Andre played till 35. Big 3 35+

Medvedev has shoulder injury he will be back. Sinner is here for 10+ years no doubt. This theory how athletes should age by 28 is all crap at this pt.

Andre was making history with his dominance that late in his career.
Again, could Sinner maintain that level of consistent dominance? Sure. But I wouldn't count on it just yet.

 

[Midaso240]

I think people really have gotten used to the big 3 with their longevity and forget that many players call it quits in their early 30s. I don't expect Sinner or Alcaraz or Medvedev to be playing til 37 like Novak or til basically 40 like Federer and Serena were.

We've already seen a bunch of players from Schwartzman to Thiem to Danielle Collins to Muguruza all call it a day in 2024 in their early 30's. And they weren't even breakout players from when they were young like Sinner has been. To expect Sinner to still be on tour in 13+ years time is a crazy thing to assume.

I think they will assess it as their career unfolds and depending on what their goals/accomplishments are in say, 10 years time. I don't think any of the big 3 really planned on still playing in their late 30s at the beginning of their careers, but they pushed each other to new heights

 

[Cabeza del Demonio]

I think people really have gotten used to the big 3 with their longevity and forget that many players call it quits in their early 30s. I don't expect Sinner or Alcaraz or Medvedev to be playing til 37 like Novak or til basically 40 like Federer and Serena were.

We've already seen a bunch of players from Schwartzman to Thiem to Danielle Collins to Muguruza all call it a day in 2024 in their early 30's. And they weren't even breakout players from when they were young like Sinner has been. To expect Sinner to still be on tour in 13+ years time is a crazy thing to assume.

Nah bro if Sinner doesn't win at least 20 Slams, he's an overrated loser who never deserved the hype in the first place.

 

[Bride of Alcaraz]

Well, Sinner's only won hardcourt slams, and is 0-2 vs. Alcaraz on hardcourt 2024.
As for the other slams, Sinner's lost 6 sets in a row to Djokovic at Wimbledon...
And Sinner's only clay title is 2022 Umag!

 

[Subway Tennis]

The current competition for the two of them is child's play.

Agree.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nah bro if Sinner doesn't win at least 20 Slams, he's an overrated loser who never deserved the hype in the first place.

There is huge difference between 5 at best like op said , what a troll and at least 20 as you said trolling.

Why can't people stop trolling for once.

There is no evidence that what big 3 did is extraordinary. Every sport showing huge longevity.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Medical science has made huge increment.
Racket changes are not abrupt enough.

Sinner doesn't do meth like Andre or has any lack of desire.

To say I can't think he can win more than 5, what REASONING has op produced apart from , oh it's just my unpopular opinion.

Nothing.

 

[Bride of Alcaraz]

Agassi's thing was never the total slams he won, but that he won the Career Grand Slam, which Sinner shows no signs of doing!
Also, Sinner lost both his hardcourt matches with Alcaraz this year, so what will happen to Sinner's slam tally if Alcaraz wins the US Open again or wins the AO?
The idea of Alcaraz winning ONE hardcourt slam every couple of years will hurt Sinner a lot, plus I wouldn't write off Medvedev either when you see he won the first 2 sets of the AO 2024 Final...

 

[jayvee]

Thoughts??

Fewer.

 

[JMR]

Agassi's thing was never the total slams he won, but that he won the Career Grand Slam, which Sinner shows no signs of doing!

Bad take. First, Sinner is already halfway there. And he made the semifinals of the French Open this year, losing a very close match to the eventual champion. He's also made the semis at Wimbledon and has won Halle on grass. While these are not guarantees of completing the CGS, they are certainly "signs" that Sinner is headed in that direction, especially considering that he has just finished his first slam-winning season.

At this stage, Alcaraz is more likely than not to complete the CGS. Sinner has strong prospects as well, although I would not place him in the "probable" category until he collects a Wim or FO.

 

[Bride of Alcaraz]

Bad take = thinking Sinner will beat Djokovic or Alcaraz at Wimbledon.
Bad take = thinking the 2022 Umag Champ is destined to win Roland Garros.
And Alcaraz didn't play much on clay this year, so can play a lot better than this!

 

[Cabeza del Demonio]

Bad take. First, Sinner is already halfway there. And he made the semifinals of the French Open this year, losing a very close match to the eventual champion. He's also made the semis at Wimbledon and has won Halle on grass. While these are not guarantees of completing the CGS, they are certainly "signs" that Sinner is headed in that direction, especially considering that he has just finished his first slam-winning season.

At this stage, Alcaraz is more likely than not to complete the CGS. Sinner has strong prospects as well, although I would not place him in the "probable" category until he collects a Wim or FO.

Jim Courier was closer to the career Slam at this age than Sinner is.

 

[JMR]

Bad take = thinking Sinner will beat Djokovic or Alcaraz at Wimbledon.

Djokovic won't even be playing Wimbledon after 2025! And if you believe Alcaraz is going to win every Wimbledon for the next 10 years, you're in for an unpleasant awakening.

Moreover, how many Wimbledons did CGS champ Andre Agassi win by defeating Pete Sampras there? How many FOs did CGS champ Roger Federer win by defeating Rafa Nadal there? How many AOs did CGS champ Rafa Nadal win by defeating Novak Djokovic there?

Bad take = thinking the 2022 Umag Champ is destined to win Roland Garros.

No one is "destined" to win anything. Please don't rely on straw man arguments; refuting them is tedious. And you are the one who brought up Umag, not I. What I said -- and what you've ignored -- is that Sinner reached the Roland Garros semifinals this year and narrowly lost to the eventual champion. If that's not a strong "sign" of FO potential, nothing is.

 

[JMR]

Jim Courier was closer to the career Slam at this age than Sinner is.

So what? Anyone who looked at Courier's record around 1993 and concluded that there were no signs that Courier might complete the CGS would have been an idiot.

 

[ollinger]

Proper usage here would be "FEWER slams than Agassi" rather than "less slams"

 

[NaDjoFed]

if he gets 2 years ban is possible

 

[nolefam_2024]

if he gets 2 years ban is possible

CAS don't have the cajones to ban sinner for 2 years.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Both tours will be interesting, as currently, they both look like they'll be dominated by two players -- but with some interesting "supporting players".

ATP: Sinner (age 23, 2 slams) and Alcaraz (age 21, 4 slams), but Sinner looks to be the more dominant HC player, while CA is presently better on both natural surfaces. Sinner hits a little harder consistently, Alcaraz is the better mover.

WTA: Sabalenka (26, 3 slams) and Swiatek (23, 5 slams), Saba is the more dominant HC player, while Iga is much stronger on clay, and neither has conquered Wimbledon yet. Saba hits harder, Iga moves better.

A bit of a parallel, and I offer no predictions, but lean slightly to the younger players who already have bagged more slams...which also reflects my preferences.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Both tours will be interesting, as currently, they both look like they'll be dominated by two players -- but with some interesting "supporting players".

ATP: Sinner (age 23, 2 slams) and Alcaraz (age 21, 4 slams), but Sinner looks to be the more dominant HC player, while CA is presently better on both natural surfaces. Sinner hits a little harder consistently, Alcaraz is the better mover.

WTA: Sabalenka (26, 3 slams) and Swiatek (23, 5 slams), Saba is the more dominant HC player, while Iga is much stronger on clay, and neither has conquered Wimbledon yet. Saba hits harder, Iga moves better.

A bit of a parallel, and I offer no predictions, but lean slightly to the younger players who already have bagged more slams...which also reflects my preferences.

Sinner is really all surfaces player now. He is top 2 elo on grass and clay. This year he barely lost to tsitsipas after bad lines calling in mc.

They BOTH should complete career slams and I think Easily.

Big 3 are greats but they aren't gods. I think both sinner and alcaraz will finish career with career slams and double digits slams. This is homogenized sport now. Andre can't even compare his days to today. Sinner can stand back and still win Wimbledon.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Andre got shut out of Wimbledon by Pete. And even on clay he was never the best. And he had many career setbacks dating Hollywood actresses and marrying. The guy should have simplified tennis like Pete did.

 

[NaDjoFed]

CAS don't have the cajones to ban sinner for 2 years.

I do not know, they simply apply the rules, I can't say whether they will find negligence or not. Even 12 months would be devastating for a player entering his prime.