Unpopular Opinion: Sinner will win less slams than Agassi!

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic has 3 career slams. Without Nadal he would have 4/5 career slams , same as Federer.

It's just a homogenized sport now. Thats why when Nadal fans boast about how Nadal has 8 non clay slams vs players like Becker and McEnroe, I just ignore them completely.

If you are great, slams are going to pile up. that's why Andy isn't all time great. In 21st century, tennis is built to dominate by 1/2 players.

When Djokovic and Nadal were at the top, they faced each other in 4 straight slam finals between 2011 wimby to 2012 rg. Both are defensive or offensive baseliners based on the day.

The sport has just become homogenized.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Djokovic has 3 career slams. Without Nadal he would have 4/5 career slams , same as Federer.

It's just a homogenized sport now. Thats why when Nadal fans boast about how Nadal has 8 non clay slams vs players like Becker and McEnroe, I just ignore them completely.

If you are great, slams are going to pile up. that's why Andy isn't all time great. In 21st century, tennis is built to dominate by 1/2 players.

When Djokovic and Nadal were at the top, they faced each other in 4 straight slam finals between 2011 wimby to 2012 rg. Both are defensive or offensive baseliners based on the day.

The sport has just become homogenized.

I only agree in part on the sport's homogenization, but I don't think it's to the extent many make it out to be. Now, the very best, can win anywhere, but...

Rafa (this is not a knock) was much better on clay than on other surfaces.
Players such as Osaka and Med really only shine on hard courts...way too early to say about Sinner or even, say, Sabelenka, but so far...
Swiatek is much stronger on clay than elsewhere/

Yes, serve and volley is almost gone entirely and even confirmed baseliners can volley a little, but surface does still change speed (less than before), bounce and footwork.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I only agree in part on the sport's homogenization, but I don't think it's to the extent many make it out to be. Now, the very best, can win anywhere, but...

Rafa (this is not a knock) was much better on clay than on other surfaces.
Players such as Osaka and Med really only shine on hard courts...way too early to say about Sinner or even, say, Sabelenka, but so far...
Swiatek is much stronger on clay than elsewhere/

Yes, serve and volley is almost gone entirely and even confirmed baseliners can volley a little, but surface does still change speed (less than before), bounce and footwork.

Medvedev is technically limited player. He has never made a semifinal of rg. I always thought he is good enough to win Wimbledon but recent serve struggles have caused issues. But we can't expect meddy to win on clay when he is that far off. Some surface specialisation is there.

But it's so small now that this year I picked sinner to win rg ahead of Carlos. And Carlos to win Wimbledon ahead of sinner. There is not that big a difference if your base level is high enough.

 

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

with the state of the men’s tour? LOL Who’s going to stop him from winning more than 8? Carlos sucks at hardcourt slams. Who else is there? Girly ground strokes Medvedev? Crappy Fritz? Choker Zverev?? Washed up djokovic?
Sinner will win more slams than Agassi even if he never plays a French or Wimbledon the rest of his career. All he needs is 7 slams. And he will have that in no time with how horrid the tour looks right now

Sinner is good for 14 slams at least. Doubt he gets to 20 but he should match Pete and maybe get HC GOAT status. Unless there is some juggernauts come up that I don’t know about. Sure doesn’t look it though since granddad Djoker was just in another final again

 

[nolefam_2024]

 

[Donkus_Reborn]

he needs 20 to surpass agassi; agassi was like the last guy to win all four slams when they played completely different, in an era of specialists all over the board.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Agassi 8 slams 17 ? Masters atp finals
60 titles
Og

The challenge is set. It's pretty big challenge honestly.

 

[kangaroo1973]

I know lot of you think that Sinner can win the calendar slam given his current form, but I believe he can not win more than 5 slams, even if he is super lucky he can win 7 slams, that's the threshold, beyond that it is not possible for him to continue.

This is my opinion by judging the circumstances, as the next generation will come forward and beat him on a consistent basis he will not be able to win more than that.

Thoughts??

7 slams? That is pretty good if you ask me. ATG level. McEnroe, Wilander won 7.
I think he can win more. Maybe 10. On HC he is almost unbeatable unless facing zoning Alcaraz( never mind he was injured in California and Beijing was a literal toss-up).

 

[nolefam_2024]

Agassi 8 slams 17 ? Masters atp finals
60 titles
Og

The challenge is set. It's pretty big challenge honestly.

Agassi vs Sinner today
Slams 8 vs 2
Multi slam years 1 vs 1
Year end number one 1 vs 1
Masters 17 vs 4
Atp finals 1 vs 1
Olympics 1 vs dnp

Sinner has already started matching some of Andre Agassi's records. The number 1 ranking and atp finals numbers can be surpassed within next 2 years.

 

[Donkus_Reborn]

Agassi vs Sinner today
Slams 8 vs 2
Multi slam years 1 vs 1
Year end number one 1 vs 1
Masters 17 vs 4
Atp finals 1 vs 1
Olympics 1 vs dnp

Sinner has already started matching some of Andre Agassi's records. The number 1 ranking and atp finals numbers can be surpassed within next 2 years.

honestly though Agassi won all four slams when they played completely different, in a time where specialists existed. sinner won't get that chance but honestly I don't think anyone I've seen other than Maybe Djokovic would be able to achieve such a thing. This is why I have Agassi so high on my all time list. His game held up, an all surfaces, and he was small. Lol.


I don't think people realise how impressive Agassi's career grand slam was.

 

[nolefam_2024]

honestly though Agassi won all four slams when they played completely different, in a time where specialists existed. sinner won't get that chance but honestly I don't think anyone I've seen other than Maybe Djokovic would be able to achieve such a thing. This is why I have Agassi so high on my all time list. His game held up, an all surfaces, and he was small. Lol.


I don't think people realise how impressive Agassi's career grand slam was.

Yeah let's see. Sinner has some issues on grass but if you remember so did Nole. He lost in r2 in 2008. Qf in 2009. It's not like he knew what to do from day 1.

 

[Donkus_Reborn]

Yeah let's see. Sinner has some issues on grass but if you remember so did Nole. He lost in r2 in 2008. Qf in 2009. It's not like he knew what to do from day 1.

yea but agassi won wimbledon on 90's grass..........

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Clostebol

 

[nolefam_2024]

yea but agassi won wimbledon on 90's grass..........

Sinner is right now averaging 10% ace rate. This is going to get so much exaggerated on 90s grass. He has total package.
He is half a foot taller than Andre. Like Krajicek who beat Pete.

 

[Rovesciarete]

This made me look at Andre's stats on TA. They are incomplete and maybe biased towards matches against tougher opposition but balanced somewhat by the higher mean level of the tour.

1993 was really low compared to 1992 but he still won a higher percentage of points than ever before which usually indicates underlying growth - normal at his age. So the 1994-95 run shouldn't have been that surprising.

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2006	150​	300​	49​	1808​	34​	1789​	​	​	49​	1665​
2005	7​	2275​	7​	1977​	6​	1962​	18​	1857​	​	​
2004	8​	2100​	4​	2017​	4​	1989​	18​	1863​	10​	1795​
2003	4​	3425​	5​	2018​	4​	1977​	6​	1959​	5​	1880​
2002	2​	3395​	2​	2088​	2​	2043​	4​	1983​	4​	1907​
2001	3​	3520​	3​	2043​	3​	1998​	12​	1898​	5​	1904​
2000	6​	2765​	3​	2057​	4​	1989​	5​	1954​	4​	1923​
1999	1​	5048​	1​	2155​	1​	2092​	1​	2000​	4​	1934​
1998	6​	2879​	5​	2065​	3​	2022​	22​	1885​	13​	1811​
1997	110​	442​	41​	1869​	26​	1851​	38​	1825​	​	​
1996	8​	2364​	8​	2066​	2​	2131​	7​	1981​	7​	1933​
1995	2​	​	1​	2270​	1​	2261​	3​	2101​	2​	2063​
1994	2​	​	2​	2189​	2​	2130​	7​	2031​	6​	1993​
1993	24​	​	13​	2032​	10​	1990​	8​	2036​	9​	1917​
1992	9​	​	8​	2084​	10​	2023​	3​	2067​	5​	2012​
1991	10​	​	6​	2084​	7​	2029​	4​	2054​	11​	1875​
1990	4​	​	4​	2150​	4​	2108​	3​	2087​	​	​
1989	7​	​	10​	2027​	7​	2013​	6​	2017​	​	​
1988	3​	​	7​	2078​	5​	2072​	5​	2096​	​	​
1987	25​	​	17​	1977​	13​	1924​	41​	1796​	40​	1728​
1986	91​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
1985	618​

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[NaDjoFed]

Sinner is right now averaging 10% ace rate. This is going to get so much exaggerated on 90s grass. He has total package.
He is half a foot taller than Andre. Like Krajicek who beat Pete.

Was 90s grass faster?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Agassi was at what 1 slam at same age? Coke head

 

[DSH]

Djokovic has 3 career slams. Without Nadal he would have 4/5 career slams , same as Federer.

It's just a homogenized sport now. Thats why when Nadal fans boast about how Nadal has 8 non clay slams vs players like Becker and McEnroe, I just ignore them completely.

If you are great, slams are going to pile up. that's why Andy isn't all time great. In 21st century, tennis is built to dominate by 1/2 players.

When Djokovic and Nadal were at the top, they faced each other in 4 straight slam finals between 2011 wimby to 2012 rg. Both are defensive or offensive baseliners based on the day.

The sport has just become homogenized.

Without Djokovic, Nadal would have at least 4 Career Grand Slams as well.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Without Djokovic, Nadal would have at least 4 Career Grand Slams as well.

Probably. Without Djokovic he got 2 so you are very right

 

[Martin J]

Agassi's slam titles have a different weight as he won them competing in an era filled with surface specialists/experts and under heterogeneous conditions (far more obstacles), which is IMO far more impressive than Sinner's hypothetical wins.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Agassi's slam titles have a different weight as he won them competing in an era filled with surface specialists/experts and under heterogeneous conditions (far more obstacles), which is IMO far more impressive than Sinner's hypothetical wins.

Yes and his cocaine addiction should give him 50 more slams.

 

[Martin J]

Yes and his cocaine addiction should give him 50 more slams.

I agree, he's a better ballstriker than Djoko.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I agree, he's a better ballstriker than Djoko.

200% cokehead