Unreal ball striking from Federer: YEC 2003 final

Pete Player

Hall of Fame
Doesn't count, Agassi was old at 33.
It would be tough on him at 33 playing against 37-yo Fede though.

Screen ratio gone bad. Looks like flat round headed midgets in Muppet Show.


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Pete Player

Hall of Fame
I wonder, since everything is being computed, could someone throw in a simulation on the shots and games of Fede back in the day and now...

Would be intresting.

Footnote on the 2003 match:
In the second set Agassi looked like sitting duck. And he was shook off his comfort zone also in the first, but got his act together in the third. Wasn’t enough though, obviously.


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Doesn't count, Agassi was old at 33.
Most of Agassi's prime was probably aged 29-32. Age 33 he was still pretty close to it, and 34 and 35 more past it but still could play near peak tennis on hard courts. Keep in mind Agassi not usual in a players trajectory, he had an incredibly strange career. His absolute peak years were one aged 25 in 1995, another aged 29 in 1999, and lots of up and downs all around those. Looking at his year end rankings from 88-2001 in itself is absolutely alarming. Never seen a career like it.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
Federer was 1-5 against Nalbandian at this point, and having lost 3 straight in 2003 against Nalbandian including losing at both the AO and USO. Federer finally got his first win over Nalbandian in the round robin stage at the end of 2003 in Houston Master's Cup.
 

Hitman

Hall of Fame
Federer was 1-5 against Nalbandian at this point, and having lost 3 straight in 2003 against Nalbandian including losing at both the AO and USO. Federer finally got his first win over Nalbandian in the round robin stage at the end of 2003 in Houston Master's Cup.
Federer was 0-3 against Agassi and 0-5 against Nalbandian heading into this event. This was where he turned it around.
 

The Guru

Rookie
As someone who started watching tennis in 2007 and has watched tennis highlights from old matches but not all that much before the courts slowed I am finally coming around to the fact that the courts are drastically different today. The people who talk about courts in the 90s aren't taking into account how hard the ball was hit then, but watching this compared to what we have today is crazy. That court is lightning fast. Puts Shanghai to shame.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Can we have the full match? Would be interesting to compare the winner/unforced ratio after 3, 5 or 10 shots to last match between Federer and Djokovic at the London Finals for example.
 

Tshooter

Legend
I remember it well.


This was the point in time when Fed became FEDR. Just the one brief interruption a few months later in Miami.
 
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Gazelle

Legend
What is up with the modern forehand technique that none of the youngsters can produce a stroke remotely like this?
Ugly western grips. Coaches all over the world noticed the increase in topspin, and mistakenly thought you needed a very extreme grip for it.

Annoys me to see guys like Kyrgios, who knows how to hit a forehand, but is limiting himself big time with that extreme grip.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Agassi stated multiple times that Big4 were stronger than he ever was.

Add that Federer said that he was better in 2019 than in 2003, and the level of this match doesn't seem so outstanding.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
Agassi stated multiple times that Big4 were stronger than he ever was.

Add that Federer said that he was better in 2019 than in 2003, and the level of this match doesn't seem so outstanding.
He was referring that he was better in Dubai, so nice try.Federer played much better in late 2003 compared with the beginning of the same year.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
He was referring that he was better in Dubai, so nice try.Federer played much better in late 2003 compared with the beginning of the same year.
Federer often said that his 2003 version generally wouldn’t have a chance against him today. If that’s true, then so what? If anything, we should be happy that Federer can still play that well nowadays. That someone else wants to take it as proof that somehow suits his anti-Federer agenda doesn’t matter for me.

2003 wasn’t one of his best years anyway, despite the great showings at Wimbledon and the WTF. It was only the beginning in some way. The final against Agassi was one great match, the whole tournament was a bit below that level. And can he still produce this level for single matches in 2020? I'm sure he will do it, but of course not day-in-day-out like in 2006 or so.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
The question was

"How much chances would the Federer of 2003 have against the Federer of today?"
But at the same time, talking about his chances at this year's AO, Fed said : "I'm aware that at 38 I shouldn't be the favourite, it should be someone probably in their 20s, but the three of us have been able to stay as the favourites which is great for us,"

 
Ugly western grips. Coaches all over the world noticed the increase in topspin, and mistakenly thought you needed a very extreme grip for it.

Annoys me to see guys like Kyrgios, who knows how to hit a forehand, but is limiting himself big time with that extreme grip.
I’m totally exasperated by all of these 6’4” or taller players with muffin forehands relative to their size.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
But at the same time, talking about his chances at this year's AO, Fed said : "I'm aware that at 38 I shouldn't be the favourite, it should be someone probably in their 20s, but the three of us have been able to stay as the favourites which is great for us,"

He doesn't say that he declined. He says that new players should be winning.

Here's another statement, during Cincinnati 2015, which tells directly about his level of play:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”
 
I watched Federer and Agassi at that tournament here in Houston. Ferraro and Nalbandian were fun to watch too. Federer and Agassi were playing “lights out”. Great ball striking. It got pretty cool outdoors at night during the early rounds.
 

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
He doesn't say that he declined. He says that new players should be winning.

Here's another statement, during Cincinnati 2015, which tells directly about his level of play:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”
I don’t put too much stock in that considering he said the same in 2013 when he was losing left and right to something like 15 different players.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
He doesn't say that he declined. He says that new players should be winning.

Here's another statement, during Cincinnati 2015, which tells directly about his level of play:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”
Makes no sense. Why wouldn’t he have confidence if he’s playing his best ever tennis?

It’s just usual PR bs.
 
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