jht32
Rookie
Tennis5, please stop the attacks on other posters.
We won't get any productive discussion
if you continue to incorrectly conclude
that anyone who disagrees with you has some bad ulterior motives.
Thank you.
Up To You! Call Your Sectional Office!
- Thread starter tennis5
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Tennis5, please stop the attacks on other posters.
We won't get any productive discussion
if you continue to incorrectly conclude
that anyone who disagrees with you has some bad ulterior motives.
Thank you.
jht32
Rookie
I completely agree. Such a competing organization is a huge undertaking. I don't see it happening soon, although I am hopeful that such organization will come out. Competition is good.
Misterbill
Semi-Pro
Thank you (and 10ismom) for your constructive views.
I agree with you about the combines. This is how it works in college baseball recruiting, which I am also familiar with. In baseball, the combines or "showcases" actually pay college coaches to attend, and they still turn a profit!
I would like to share a personal experience in tennis recruiting. This is just our experience, not projecting it as universal truth.
At one point, our family had some BCS schools on our target list. One coach from a BCS school got back to us rather bluntly and said thanks for contacting me, but if you are not top 50 to 75 on TRN we are not interested in you. (We weren't top 50-75). We were very grateful for this message and it helped us get on a track that ultimately led to an offer from a mid-major D-I that we are very happy with.
So even though we got into some nationals, we got the idea we were never on the radar of BCS schools. Getting into those nationals obviously didn't help us with BCS schools. We concluded that the BCS coaches will find a way to see the kids on their radar one way or another.
We think a very small minority of the youth tennis universe is on the cusp of national tournament competition and will be affected by the latest USTA decision. And as Dallas says.......and as FTD is crystal-balling.........there appear to be some promising alternatives.
I hope no parents take the racquets out of their kids' hands because of the USTA's decision.......as was suggested earlier in this thread.
floridatennisdude
Hall of Fame
Well, yes, I see your view. The big programs know which 10-12 players they want probably by the time the kid is 15 years old. That kid isn't being slighted...he is playing nationals still.
I am concerned that the legitimate mid major prospect might not get the visibility. The type of kid that might have 2 or 3 stars, but has less opportunity to prove he should have 3 or 4. Looks like Dallas is restructuring so as to avoid it.
I am concerned that the legitimate mid major prospect might not get the visibility. The type of kid that might have 2 or 3 stars, but has less opportunity to prove he should have 3 or 4. Looks like Dallas is restructuring so as to avoid it.
Misterbill
Semi-Pro
I agree with that. Only comment I have is that instead of saying "2 or 3 stars", I would say 4-stars and a few 3-stars. I don't think the marketplace for the average 3-star and below is at national tournaments
If we browse the list of 2012 college commitments on TRN, most of the 4-stars are at mid-majors or D-III.
In any case, yes, there are some people who may be disadvantaged by this new system........just as there are when any new system is introduced. Maybe it will affect, I don't know, 50-100 boys and girls each? And for these families, yes, this is a legitimate concern.
I also think there are better solutions than pulling out of the sport. I am glad this thread has turned to a constructive discussion of these possible solutions.
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floridatennisdude
Hall of Fame
I think it will affect under 50 players total. It will be more of a shift to helping a few and not helping a few more than it helps. If that makes sense.
Misterbill
Semi-Pro
Taking just one example, I am not sure how Easter Bowl being 32 players, will affect under 50 players total.
Right now, the Easter Bowl is 128 players.
The wait list (126 players) has 5 star and blue chips on the alternate list who will not get in. Boys' 16's
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floridatennisdude
Hall of Fame
because it's not like they are going to disappear off the face of the earth. they just won't be playing in the easter bowl. coaches will still know who they are. if they are worth it, they'll get recruited.
Tennishacker
Professional
I don't understand why they would change the Winter Nat'l to a team format.
Don't they still have zonal's, and the Maze Cup?
Winter Nat'l 18's had a large number of college coaches in attendance back in 2010.
Don't they still have zonal's, and the Maze Cup?
Winter Nat'l 18's had a large number of college coaches in attendance back in 2010.
Tennishacker
Professional
Let's not forget that you called me a racist and protectionist.
Maybe you should practice what you preach!
MarTennis
Semi-Pro
Sectional Opens Question
So for TRN purposes a if a player should happen to play a handful of the tournaments you identify, those results would show up in your rankings for the particular individual? Thanks Dallas, Marty
So for TRN purposes a if a player should happen to play a handful of the tournaments you identify, those results would show up in your rankings for the particular individual? Thanks Dallas, Marty
dallasoliver
Rookie
The short answer is "yes". We will be publishing a list of tournaments that are guaranteed to be used in our rankings.
Best,
Dallas
Tennisstringz
New User
Also, the kid is pretty much relegated to their own regional.
You have to understand, the major colleges won t even look at you unless you are five star in trn. If you re not five star, you stink. Some very good players are in the four star group, but didn t play the system right -- only stayed local, only played in their region. You need access to the five star players if you are ever going to beat them. If you are a freshman, you better start winning vs the five star, blue chips, because time is running out on you. These changes are hitting when you are trying to get recruited. You better be a five star when this crap hits.
National tourneys are when the unheralded get a shot against the biggies. There are some five stars that are maxed out. They already play five hours a day at the best training center. There are under rated gems out there who dont get to practice as much, but when practice time and access to good hitting partners is equal in college, they ll close the gap with the kids who were getting all the good training in the high schoolnyears. Good coaches can pick out the kids with potential. So yeah... Shrinking the draws can make some kids D1 opportunities evaporate. Mostly four star kids. Hardworking good players who sacrificed their social lives could even lose mid majors opportunities and end up lumped with kids in D3 or naia with kids who did very little but tinker in tennis.
floridatennisdude
Hall of Fame
I get the pessimism, but I think Dallas has alluded to how TRN will be dealing with this and I think this is a little overly pessimistic. I think the "unheralded" players you refer to will be affected, but I can't envision that this would be more than 50 kids per year...frankly, it might only be a half dozen.
How many kids each year, truly, go into Nationals as a 4-star and leave flirting with blue chip status? Not saying it is zero, but is there really more than a handful? Prove me wrong with 50 examples from any given year & I'll change my view.
Again, these kids aren't disappearing. The coaches will just have to go to more effort to evaluate them. That's my major concern...fairly evaluating talent when there aren't as many opportunities to see them at an elite event. I can foresee mis-signing a few overrated 5-stars (as you allude to) vs. the unheralded player that didn't get the chance to shine at nationals. I just don't think this is going to be a huge number.
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jht32
Rookie
tennis5, I don't know the history of these people who are referring to that are pushing/selling services. I only know of the posts that Misterbill has made. Misterbill makes very good points, but still you disregard him as having some secret agenda. That's just projecting other issues you have in the past.
I'm glad you did some research on some of my previous posts. If you had much sense, you would read through the entire exchanges, if not, you can just take some posts out of context. Your choice to be thorough or not in your research.
Misterbill
Semi-Pro
^^^^Thanks, jht. ^^^^
Yeah, can anyone let me know what my secret agenda is?
My agenda in this thread is to do all I can to use facts and logic.....rather than personal disparagement of other posters.......to assess the statement quoted above.
I think a lot of great points and information have been shared that shed light on this issue.......by Dallas, FTD, 10ismom, Andfor, Stringz, jht and others.
Now, anyone who reads this thread........parents, youngsters, USTA officials, potential combine organizers......can come to their own conclusion whether "there is no future for their kids anymore in this sport for college tennis."
And the insult that I am probably unemployed because I post an average of twice a day didn't bother me. I think in general, people who post like that really tell us more about themselves than about the people they are trying to disparage
Yeah, can anyone let me know what my secret agenda is?
My agenda in this thread is to do all I can to use facts and logic.....rather than personal disparagement of other posters.......to assess the statement quoted above.
I think a lot of great points and information have been shared that shed light on this issue.......by Dallas, FTD, 10ismom, Andfor, Stringz, jht and others.
Now, anyone who reads this thread........parents, youngsters, USTA officials, potential combine organizers......can come to their own conclusion whether "there is no future for their kids anymore in this sport for college tennis."
And the insult that I am probably unemployed because I post an average of twice a day didn't bother me. I think in general, people who post like that really tell us more about themselves than about the people they are trying to disparage
From Zoo tennis.
Posted a few of the comments here that say it better than I could...
tennisforlife said...
A spectacular own goal by the USTA. This is going to set junior tennis back years....all in the name of less travel and earned advancement!!
3/20/2012
Good luck to ya said...
I am glad my son is out of juniors and has his scholarship to a lower level D1 because with this new schedule he never would have been exposed to college coaches! It looks like tennis college showcase will be the future for recruitment because the top 64 kids will be the only ones getting exposure....and guess who will swoop up those scholarships? Yep, more foreigners because it will be near to impossible to acquire enough national points to get notice.
In sections like So Cal with lots of players and so many good ones...they kids in the top 50 in the section are going to be closed out-this is ludicrous-they will have to move to Montana to be a big fish in a little bowl-you wait and see, it will happen.
USTA Development should now be called "Destroyment".
3/20/2012
An insider said...
Sectionals were put under enormous pressure to vote for the changes, or overall funding for that section would have been reduced.
3/20/2012
Daniel said...
The USTA heads who are in charge of finding the next US champion are paid enormous salaries to do just that.
Having players come from the outside ( Jack Sock, Ronnie Schneider ( who just won the tournament, Boys 18's Spring , that they are now getting rid of ) are an embarrassment to the Player Development program that has millions of dollars invested in a few players.
3/20/2012
The Dude said...
So insider, you are implying that the USTA management are vindictive if the sections don't go with them on this? Well one thing I do object to the doubling of the wild cards from 8 to 16. The USTA should design the structure and allow their system to play out, then the cream will rise to the top. Taking control and seeking credit for success is dubious and doomed to fail. It should not matter to the USTA if future top players are privately developed. As Chinese, Deng, said, "no matter if the cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice."
3/20/2012
Christian - see it before said...
To Dude,
Well, I am not an insider, but it is well known that the USTA is vindictive.
And yes, it looks very bad for the USTA when a kid like Ronnie Schneider wins ( kid in regular school too.) It matters greatly to the USTA if future top players are privately developed because they are pouring millions of dollars into USTA PD juniors THAT THEY PICKED.
Their jobs are on the line if these kids are not successful. What better way to ensure their success than to get rid of the competition.
3/20/2012
TennisCoach - NJ said...
To Dude,
Wild cards had to be doubled for PD players.
Hard to age up with out them.
Funny, how the USTA has one system for us and another system for their own players, who don't have to follow the new rules.
3/20/2012
TennisDad said...
The changes approved will be disastrous.
1) College impact - Many kids including my first child caught their coach's attention at Clays/Hards. My child would have never have made it to these events under the new rules and yet my kid kept working hard and had a successful career at a major D1 school. Reducing the size of these two tournaments is a HUGE mistake. Hello, Tennis is a NON-REVNUE collegiate sport. Do you really think the hundreds of schools out there will have the budget and time during the year to travel section to section? No, they'll recruit locally or go foreign.
2) My younger children would have never have taken up the support if my oldest hadn't played the sport. They both would have qualified under the new proposal for majors and one has also earned a D1 scholarship at a major school and the other is on track as well. But the allure to be the 'best in section/region' doesn't have the allure to attract families to the game. At the end of the day, we have to grow the sport. We shouldn't make an exclusive sport even more restrictive. These kids today who are lower ranked still get college scholarship opportunities, grow into adults that buy tickets to pro events, solict their clubs/park districts and introduce their children to the sport. In the end, it's those type of people that will keep growing the game and feeding much needed money into the sport.
3) If this is such a great system, then we should see the High Performance kids play the system. All those wildcards for them would be unneeded and could go to higher Sectional Quotas. It's hypocritical to tell the Junior player population that this is the best system, but for the high performance kids, they should play something else (ITFs, etc). One thing is for sure, no one has the absolute formula on how to produce the next top 10 pro player. So don't dash the dreams of those willing to give it a try and pay for it on their own.
4) Playing in one's section is nice, but the best advantage we have in the USA is the diversity of our players. Ever see the difference of a Cold climate player when they first go outside? Ever see a warm climate player go indoors? The games between an indoor and outdoor player is a big deal. And we are better off playing different styles of players when we can.
5) It would be one thing if the vote reflected the population, but the straw vote on Saturday clearly indicated dissention. Somehow folks were "convinced" to agree by Monday. Congrats to the Southern section for having the courage of their conviction to stand their ground.
Good luck to ya said...
TennisDad make a great point! If the USTA is trying to develop all around top players but limit play to local/regional areas how are these kids suppose to develop a multi-surface game. Our son, who grew up in So Cal, had never played on a clay court until he went to the National-in Florida in the 12's. We had to drive 1 1/2 to even find a clay court to practice on-and it was at a private club we had to beg to get him into! Then, while in Chicago when he was 17, he had a hard court tourney rained out and they sent him to an inside court--not only had he never seen one (They had do not exist in So Cal) but the sound of the ball and a roof totally threw his game off. It was a learning experience that he never would have had if he not left the state to play. Coincidently enough, he playing primarily indoors now and thanks to his indoor experience at 16 he knew he had a game condusive to indoors and not clay ! Go figure...
Good luck to ya said...
TennisDad make a great point! If the USTA is trying to develop all around top players but limit play to local/regional areas how are these kids suppose to develop a multi-surface game. Our son, who grew up in So Cal, had never played on a clay court until he went to the National-in Florida in the 12's. We had to drive 1 1/2 to even find a clay court to practice on-and it was at a private club we had to beg to get him into! Then, while in Chicago when he was 17, he had a hard court tourney rained out and they sent him to an inside court--not only had he never seen one (They had do not exist in So Cal) but the sound of the ball and a roof totally threw his game off. It was a learning experience that he never would have had if he not left the state to play. Coincidently enough, he playing primarily indoors now and thanks to his indoor experience at 16 he knew he had a game condusive to indoors and not clay ! Go figure...
Posted a few of the comments here that say it better than I could...
tennisforlife said...
A spectacular own goal by the USTA. This is going to set junior tennis back years....all in the name of less travel and earned advancement!!
3/20/2012
Good luck to ya said...
I am glad my son is out of juniors and has his scholarship to a lower level D1 because with this new schedule he never would have been exposed to college coaches! It looks like tennis college showcase will be the future for recruitment because the top 64 kids will be the only ones getting exposure....and guess who will swoop up those scholarships? Yep, more foreigners because it will be near to impossible to acquire enough national points to get notice.
In sections like So Cal with lots of players and so many good ones...they kids in the top 50 in the section are going to be closed out-this is ludicrous-they will have to move to Montana to be a big fish in a little bowl-you wait and see, it will happen.
USTA Development should now be called "Destroyment".
3/20/2012
An insider said...
Sectionals were put under enormous pressure to vote for the changes, or overall funding for that section would have been reduced.
3/20/2012
Daniel said...
The USTA heads who are in charge of finding the next US champion are paid enormous salaries to do just that.
Having players come from the outside ( Jack Sock, Ronnie Schneider ( who just won the tournament, Boys 18's Spring , that they are now getting rid of ) are an embarrassment to the Player Development program that has millions of dollars invested in a few players.
3/20/2012
The Dude said...
So insider, you are implying that the USTA management are vindictive if the sections don't go with them on this? Well one thing I do object to the doubling of the wild cards from 8 to 16. The USTA should design the structure and allow their system to play out, then the cream will rise to the top. Taking control and seeking credit for success is dubious and doomed to fail. It should not matter to the USTA if future top players are privately developed. As Chinese, Deng, said, "no matter if the cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice."
3/20/2012
Christian - see it before said...
To Dude,
Well, I am not an insider, but it is well known that the USTA is vindictive.
And yes, it looks very bad for the USTA when a kid like Ronnie Schneider wins ( kid in regular school too.) It matters greatly to the USTA if future top players are privately developed because they are pouring millions of dollars into USTA PD juniors THAT THEY PICKED.
Their jobs are on the line if these kids are not successful. What better way to ensure their success than to get rid of the competition.
3/20/2012
TennisCoach - NJ said...
To Dude,
Wild cards had to be doubled for PD players.
Hard to age up with out them.
Funny, how the USTA has one system for us and another system for their own players, who don't have to follow the new rules.
3/20/2012
TennisDad said...
The changes approved will be disastrous.
1) College impact - Many kids including my first child caught their coach's attention at Clays/Hards. My child would have never have made it to these events under the new rules and yet my kid kept working hard and had a successful career at a major D1 school. Reducing the size of these two tournaments is a HUGE mistake. Hello, Tennis is a NON-REVNUE collegiate sport. Do you really think the hundreds of schools out there will have the budget and time during the year to travel section to section? No, they'll recruit locally or go foreign.
2) My younger children would have never have taken up the support if my oldest hadn't played the sport. They both would have qualified under the new proposal for majors and one has also earned a D1 scholarship at a major school and the other is on track as well. But the allure to be the 'best in section/region' doesn't have the allure to attract families to the game. At the end of the day, we have to grow the sport. We shouldn't make an exclusive sport even more restrictive. These kids today who are lower ranked still get college scholarship opportunities, grow into adults that buy tickets to pro events, solict their clubs/park districts and introduce their children to the sport. In the end, it's those type of people that will keep growing the game and feeding much needed money into the sport.
3) If this is such a great system, then we should see the High Performance kids play the system. All those wildcards for them would be unneeded and could go to higher Sectional Quotas. It's hypocritical to tell the Junior player population that this is the best system, but for the high performance kids, they should play something else (ITFs, etc). One thing is for sure, no one has the absolute formula on how to produce the next top 10 pro player. So don't dash the dreams of those willing to give it a try and pay for it on their own.
4) Playing in one's section is nice, but the best advantage we have in the USA is the diversity of our players. Ever see the difference of a Cold climate player when they first go outside? Ever see a warm climate player go indoors? The games between an indoor and outdoor player is a big deal. And we are better off playing different styles of players when we can.
5) It would be one thing if the vote reflected the population, but the straw vote on Saturday clearly indicated dissention. Somehow folks were "convinced" to agree by Monday. Congrats to the Southern section for having the courage of their conviction to stand their ground.
Good luck to ya said...
TennisDad make a great point! If the USTA is trying to develop all around top players but limit play to local/regional areas how are these kids suppose to develop a multi-surface game. Our son, who grew up in So Cal, had never played on a clay court until he went to the National-in Florida in the 12's. We had to drive 1 1/2 to even find a clay court to practice on-and it was at a private club we had to beg to get him into! Then, while in Chicago when he was 17, he had a hard court tourney rained out and they sent him to an inside court--not only had he never seen one (They had do not exist in So Cal) but the sound of the ball and a roof totally threw his game off. It was a learning experience that he never would have had if he not left the state to play. Coincidently enough, he playing primarily indoors now and thanks to his indoor experience at 16 he knew he had a game condusive to indoors and not clay ! Go figure...
Good luck to ya said...
TennisDad make a great point! If the USTA is trying to develop all around top players but limit play to local/regional areas how are these kids suppose to develop a multi-surface game. Our son, who grew up in So Cal, had never played on a clay court until he went to the National-in Florida in the 12's. We had to drive 1 1/2 to even find a clay court to practice on-and it was at a private club we had to beg to get him into! Then, while in Chicago when he was 17, he had a hard court tourney rained out and they sent him to an inside court--not only had he never seen one (They had do not exist in So Cal) but the sound of the ball and a roof totally threw his game off. It was a learning experience that he never would have had if he not left the state to play. Coincidently enough, he playing primarily indoors now and thanks to his indoor experience at 16 he knew he had a game condusive to indoors and not clay ! Go figure...
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Tennishacker
Professional
TCF/Misterbill, you are just as guilty as anyone else on here for going after other posters. You align yourself with some of the biggest posters who insult and belittle other posters.
You must be in politics, master of spin.
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Pray that the ETA change back happens by 2016, although realistically it will be 2018, so we don't lose another large chunk of tennis players.
I love the sport, and I want to see it continue on an elite level for juniors in this country.
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I think the move by the USTA without their explanation or consulting the members should have been handled better.
However, based on what I know and have read I can't see this move really changing the face of tennis in the U.S. very much. Will there be unintended consequences? Sure. Some will be measurable. Some not so measurable.
Since we have until 2016 I'm going to move on and figure out my own way to work though the system, just as I have in the past. The USTA is going to try to take care of their own. It's up to us to disrupt their agenda with superior efforts and results when our kids play theirs. Kids like Schneider, Sock, Baughman and others have been doing it up till now. I don't see that changing.
Tennishacker
Professional
Been trying to keep up with these changes - what is the effective date - I have heard any where from 2013 to 2016 and the actual date will make a big differnce for my child who is class of 2016 (8th grader) and a three star hoping to play D1
Our section has very few tournaments that give national points 1 Lv3, 3 Lv4 and 4-5 Lv5 - all but Lv3 are 32 draws - we have Regional Opens in only a few age groups thus it is very difficult now to qualify for National level tournaments without going outside the section and my child has been able to qualify for several national tournaments at younger age groups but with the point changes and with the fact that others are carrying over more points for the same level tournament within the last 12 months we probably won't qualify this year. Don't expect to see our section's tournament directors come up with more tournaments in the next year or two
Now how do I advise my child to pursue the goal of D1. We are not wealthy and do not live in Florida or California - my child goes to regular school and we can't afford an academy away from home even with a scholarship -
the USTA wants to grow tennis but discourages junior competition among the "masses" - a fine state of affairs...
Our section has very few tournaments that give national points 1 Lv3, 3 Lv4 and 4-5 Lv5 - all but Lv3 are 32 draws - we have Regional Opens in only a few age groups thus it is very difficult now to qualify for National level tournaments without going outside the section and my child has been able to qualify for several national tournaments at younger age groups but with the point changes and with the fact that others are carrying over more points for the same level tournament within the last 12 months we probably won't qualify this year. Don't expect to see our section's tournament directors come up with more tournaments in the next year or two
Now how do I advise my child to pursue the goal of D1. We are not wealthy and do not live in Florida or California - my child goes to regular school and we can't afford an academy away from home even with a scholarship -
the USTA wants to grow tennis but discourages junior competition among the "masses" - a fine state of affairs...
Help your child to have their primary focus be to improve their game everyday. Be it in practice, in the gym or mental strength training. Playing a multitude of national tournaments is not the only path to a DI scholarship. It helps, but national tournaments aside, play the best tournaments your can. In the end if your child rises to the level of a national player the new system will have no impact. If the child has to play sectional and national L5, L4 and L3's I do not believe that will hinder college tennis opportunities. You may have to market your child more during the college tennis recruiting process, but even then that's necessary today.
Don't sweat it. Focus on loving the work/practice and improving. In matches make 100% effort and a good attitude mandatory and you'll have a very good junior tennis player in 2016.
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Clays and Hard reductions happen next summer, 2013.
All other changes happen 2014.
Yes, you are caught in the eye of the storm. Sorry.
My thoughts:
1) High school tennis is a great, FREE, option.
Your son could be the best player there, and he could work on areas of his game ( let him keep that to himself, not tell the HS coach).
Work on his backhand, come to the net.
View the time there as being fed balls to work on your own weaknesses.
Plus, he could get to state, and as he gets older, he can contact coaches and let him know that he is playing state...
2) Realistically, don't discount Division 3.
Great tennis, and superb education.
There are academic scholarships, and my favorite saying is the brain never gets injured.
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Misterbill
Semi-Pro
Here is another example of a post that adds zero to the substance of the discussion, but is focused 100% on disparaging others. The poster is a fine person I am sure, it is his/her post I am taking issue with.
I do not demean or insult or "go after" other posters. If I have, post it up and I will retract it. In the meantime, maybe you can share with us your list of people that it is ok to agree with.
Sure, I disagree with many statements or opinions that are posted. (Seems you do too!) That is what a message board is for
This is the latest opinion I have disagreed with.
I am grateful that lots of posters have chimed in, and that the tone of the thread has shifted toward a more objective evaluation of the situation, and constructive ideas for young tennis players about how best to proceed..........in the face of what may be for a few...........a little adversity
*********
EDIT: What is it with the "TCF/Misterbill". Are you accusing me of being an IMPOSTER for TennisCoachinFlorida? Or using multiple usernames? That's a banning offense. Report me. If you are correct, I will be banned.
Why are you so obsessed with me?????
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TennisFan2Day
Rookie
Doesn't anybody find it odd that the ITF only has 1 tournament from June 17 to Sept 1 in the United States?
If the ITF had junior tournaments every couple of weeks during the summer like they do in the spring and in the fall then it would give a great alternative to those who have given up hope on the USTA.
If the ITF had junior tournaments every couple of weeks during the summer like they do in the spring and in the fall then it would give a great alternative to those who have given up hope on the USTA.
Tennishacker
Professional
I will state again, was it not you who agreed with jht32 that I was a "racist and protectionist"?
Own up to it.
Sorry... not familiar with ITF"S
But, I read on Talk Tennis, one of the posts, that there use to be many ITFs in this country and that the USTA got rid of them.
Is that possible? If the USTA and ITFs are different systems, how could the USTA get rid of them?
Misterbill
Semi-Pro
Another post with no substantive content!
Why are you so obsessed with me? Or TCF? Your posting style can best be described as one of a stalker.
I have agreed with a lot of points that jht32 has made. I do not know if you are "a racist or a protectionist" (What wrong with being a protectionist?). So I could not have expressed agreement or disagreement with anyone about that.
If you interpreted one of my posts that way........quote it up and I will either retract the objectionable statement or try to explain to you how you misinterpreted it.
I am not going to apologize for or retract something I didn't say or do!
Getting back to the subject of the thread, I don't have anything new to say and would not have posted now, except to defend against the false attack by Tennishacker. To try to maintain some semblance of relevance, I will bump the nice statement below from Andfor.
Clays and Hard reductions happen next summer, 2013.
All other changes happen 2014.
Yes, you are caught in the eye of the storm. Sorry.
My thoughts:
1) High school tennis is a great, FREE, option.
Your son could be the best player there, and he could work on areas of his game ( let him keep that to himself, not tell the HS coach).
Work on his backhand, come to the net.
View the time there as being fed balls to work on your own weaknesses.
Plus, he could get to state, and as he gets older, he can contact coaches and let him know that he is playing state...
2) Realistically, don't discount Division 3.
Great tennis, and superb education.
There are academic scholarships, and my favorite saying is the brain never gets injured.
Thanks for the good advice - my child is playing high school tennis as an 8th grader which is allowed in our state and will be playing states probably all 5 years - very easy to qualify as not many tournament level players- which is all part of the issue - not very good competition locally have to play sectional competitions but have to qualify to get in
Div 3 would be fine with me - not with my child yet but that may change.
Tennishacker
Professional
HYPOCRITE
I do not demean or insult or "go after" other posters. If I have, post it up and I will retract it. In the meantime, maybe you can share with us your list of people that it is ok to agree with.
Sure, I disagree with many statements or opinions that are posted. (Seems you do too!) That is what a message board is for
Trying to garner support from Andfor, by re-posting a recent post?
I, jht32 and you know that you were in agreement with him.
Why is it that you always bring up TCF???
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i must have missed this quote from Andfor.....perfect!
Tennishacker
Professional
that was post #78, just one page back.
Misterbill
Semi-Pro
The blue inserts above are my responses.
To the Board, I apologize for this post with no substantive content, but I feel I need to defend myself against false statements and personally demeaning comments being made about me.
Tennishacker
Professional
Ditto.....
nvm...post removed don't want to be part of this thread....
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floridatennisdude
Hall of Fame
Why? Are you scared that your friends and family suddenly won't like you because some dude on a message board posted something about your online alias.
Ignore the infamous tennishacker...he's just trying to get a rise out of you. And succeeding.
Misterbill
Semi-Pro
^^^^see blue inserts above^^^^^^
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Tennishacker
Professional
Trying to elicit sympathy from the board?
Tennishacker
Professional
You're giving me too much credit.
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jht32
Rookie
Tennishacker,
No, I do not know that Misterbill was in agreement with me. So stop trying to speak for me and making things up.
If you or anyone is interested in who said what to whom, look through past posts and review it. No need to re-discuss what was already discussed. Get over it and move on. It'll be good for your health.
hacker....no offense to MrBill...but really? I think my fellow coach might be insulted just a little!
Tennishacker
Professional
jht32
Rookie
That's right, why did you bring it up? Why are you still upset that you were called a racist and protectionist? If you were called such, I'm am sure that it was well deserved based on comments you made. In any case, move on.
Tennishacker
Professional
How can anybody deserve to be called a racist???
So, essentially you're calling me a racist again?
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jht32
Rookie
TCDF (TennisCoachDadFla),
I think some people were claiming that FTD (FloridaTennisDude) was TCF, not that MrBill was TCF.
TennisFan2Day
Rookie
This agenda has been going on for a while. If you notice at the top of page 4 it says, "Sectional Quota: The quota calculations below are based on the membership and rankings as of December 31, 2010."
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9...ViMC00YTY5LWE3YzgtY2YyODFkMWE5ZmNj/edit?pli=1
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9...ViMC00YTY5LWE3YzgtY2YyODFkMWE5ZmNj/edit?pli=1