Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by babbette, Jan 7, 2009.
Man, rough stuff. Tough to comment on.
If justice has been served, then good for him. If not, he'll pay the price eventually.
Dont think he'll be playing mixed doubles then!
Not the time, dude.
These **** cases that never come to fruition happen all too often. Whether the girl is lying or the guy gets away with it, it's a lose-lose situation.
Obafemi Martins, a Newcastle United(soccer) player was caught doing 106mph in his Porsche. He told the judge - "I had to speed, i was late" and he got away with it.
I agree. It's always a lose-lose when you don't get a conclusion
The thing that bugs me about these is that often the accuser is provided anonymity in the press whereas the accused is not. Or at least that seems to be the case whenever I read about it. Both parties should definitely be provided anonymity, accusations can also wreck lives. Innocent or guilty this will follow this young man around forever.
The problem with many of these cases is that it's unfortunately very difficult to prove. Certainly anyone with the money to hire a good lawyer will usually escape charges. It's very difficult as a type of case.
Then just to make it harder there will be the odd person that will falsely accuse someone and it will come out during the case in some way. These are the ones everyone remembers rather than the successful prosecutions unfortunately. They also serve to establish a precedent for reasonable doubt in witness testimony.
One hopes that people's deeds, good or bad, eventually catch up with them
Innocent until proven guilty is the law I believe. Your post actually casts doubt with the IF which is not fair. Think about it.........................
This guys life is pretty much destroyed and he has to live with the stigma il his dying day, how is that right. How would you feel?
you + sense of humor = FAIL
On a serious note this case reminds me of tennis coach Barry "Butch" Heffernan who has recently been sentenced 5 years for sexually abusing his underage female students
Bromley isn't in Kent anymore.
I think he took the term 'hurt the skirt' too seriously
Why the heck is it that there's so many low life girls that keep accusing rising sports stars of ****.
C'mon, they almost never have evidence and usually it turns out to be a scam so they can make money. Just look at that Duke lacrosse scandal.
And what really annoys me is that if the Duke lacrosse players weren't rich to just defend them selves and prove themselves innocent, they would be in prison and their lives would have been ruined.
Very true. So many disgusting *****s out there.
I agree that false accusations are really bad. But it is interesting that you assume that the girl is a low life (bad qualities) and the guy is a "rising sports star" (bit of a stretch to describe this guy IMO). Because of some situations you should not lose your respect for all women. That is just not cool.
What in the world? Where do you guys think you get off saying such things?
First of all, there is *nothing* in that article that suggests that the girl is anything but possibly another college student. Why is she being called names? And, the reason he was cleared was because the prosecutor decided to drop charges, citing a lack of evidence.
We don't know what happened. We certainly also do not know that he is innocent. Do you guys have *any* idea how many women are assaulted and NEVER come forward? One of the reasons is because, unless the victim immediately goes to an ER and gets a *ape kit done, the actual evidence is gone. And the LAST thing a woman wants to do after being violated is to go to an ER and get poked and prodded some more. Then, if they do go, and they do find evidence, it is often the victim that goes through h*ll during the trial. Most cases are never even reported because the victim doesn't want to face her attacker again, much less get dragged through a trial.
How is this guy's life ruined exactly? He was cleared. Whether or not he did it...only he and the girl will know. How about the girl? Where are the sympathetic comments for her? If it actually happened, her life is not exactly roses and peaches from here on out. What about *her* stigma? What about how she would feel?
What if this happened to your sister? Daughter? Mother? Would you guys still type the same distasteful comments? I really wonder about some of the people inhabiting this forum. Disgusting.
Kind of like the girl in Colorado who is known for sleeping with anyone at the drop of a hat and who was picked up another guy and slept with him later that same night? Like the girl in North Carolina who went to the ER and was found to have DNA inside her from a known crack dealer from earlier that same day?
The charges were dropped because she was lying. It takes zero evidence to convict a man of r*pe. When it comes to he said/she said, the woman always wins. No more "evidence" is needed.
The case gets dropped when evidence as to the woman's past is discovered.
For you to claim that the guy's life wasn't changed because of this is disgusting. How would you feel if some wh*re accused your son of r*pe and ruined his life?
I apologize for assuming that, it's just this situation is becoming so common nowadays I'm a bit jaded.
Do you not believe in innocence until proven guilty??
Thanks for apologizing. I can see becoming jaded but I do think that whenever we (as a society) think something, we should step back and look at it objectively. Besides that, a guy who respects girls will always get the prize girls every time!
This will be a very sensitive subject for anybody who has actually been in a similar situation and you reveal from these crass and simplistic views that you do not even have the basic capicity of empathy required to engage in reasoned debate. Therefore it is not appropriate to continue any dialogue with you
Someone I know was assaulted (kind of a manipulation type of situation but an assault nonetheless) while at a D1 school. She was a full scholarship athlete. She didn't come forward - because it was an assistant coach that did it. How sad is that? I don't even think she told her parents. She ended up leaving the school and giving up the sport (not tennis) and her scholarship. She turned out okay in the end, but actually struggled a lot in relationships and had some recreational drug problems. I think she just felt really stupid, like it was her fault.
That said, there are some bad women out there too. My poor mother had to deal with some crazy stuff. I think the most important thing we can do is teach our children to respect themselves and try not to get in bad situations.
I tend to agree with most of Topaz's comments. There is a huge problem with people not coming forward on these charges and suffering in silence. I also feel that she is right to protest at some of the comments in the this thread. We know little if anything of the circumstances in this case (or most in fact).
I do however feel that until anonymity is provided to both parties in these cases the accused will always suffer also when innocent and it's important to bear in mind the power of accusation without any evidence. Accusations do destroy lives
It's an emotive area but one that needs to be addressed with the same respect for proven guilt as any other in law. These cases in my opinion should not be made public in any way such as to ensure a degree of anonymity for the accuser (and hence hopefully promote them coming forward) and for the accused. This would allow justice to run it's course without public scrutiny until the outcome.
Errr. I don't know what to say lol. Like previously stated by someone else, if he was innocent than great for him, if he is actually guilty, he will get stung eventually. *ahem* o.j.
Why shouldn't someone cast doubt? So because the case was dropped, you are saying he is 100% innocent? The fact that a charge was filed at all should bring up the question of whether it happened or not. But I see both sides to this issue.
I think there are way too many occurrences of women accusing guys of the R word when it didn't happen. They ruin it for women in cases where it did happen.
As far as not reporting the crime, I must say that as traumatic as it may be, if you want justice served you have to report it immediately. Otherwise their should be no case, especially when a prison term of like 20 years is at stake for someone.
I think the justice system is more fair to let off a rapist due to lack of evidence than to convict an innocent person. Thats why we have innocent until proven guilty.
Its possible this guy may never find a decent paying job because of this case, which would be unfortunate if he is innocent.
Its often a lose-lose for someone. Sometimes its the accuser, sometimes its the accused.
Also I'm not surprised there is so much biased existing between men and women when it comes to this issue.
A woman is more likely to believe the accuser because she will never be threatened by false accusations herself, and may be targeted by a r@pist in the future and will want the law to protect her and provide justice.
Any guy who attends parties where alcohol and women are involved could easily find himself being accused, so obviously his agenda is to protect the guys' rights to prevent himself from being falsely accused.
The above links to an article discussing the 12,000 untested assault kits that have yet to be processed by the L.A. Police, and L.A. Sheriff's offices.
Below is an opinion piece from the L.A. times discussing the same subject. Women not only have to deal with the stigma and difficulty of making accusations, they also have to deal with the bureaucratic nightmare that follows.
That is absolutely shocking. I can't believe that can happen in a relatively well off society. I'm also frankly shocked at the sheer amount of tests that take place, that's a huge number.
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