Upgrade old or Buy New stringing machine?

Jor3lBR

New User
Hi I have an old Czech CT750 crank stringer (pictured), should I invest and buy a Wise 2086 or just buy a new machine that’s for sale here locally w/ a Wise on it (it’s a gama progression II w/ a stand):

This my current setup (picture from stock google):

This is for sale locally for $1190:

The Wise costs around $650-750.

I can sell my old machine and I’m just a hobbyist stringer.
 
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jim e

Legend
I don't think you are gaining much of a machine with that gamma. The gamma looks like it has cone lock base clamps, where the other gamma base clamps have the quick lever lock bases are better, although I have no idea what type base clamps are on your present machine. You may be best to get a new Wise for yours, and being a new Wise it should service you for a decent time since you are just a hobby stringer, and you are familiar with what you are using.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
A LO with what looks like a Diablo on it, that's strange. Does the Diablo turn freely (like a Gamma string guide) or is it fixed? Have you checked the calibration on the tension head?
 

Jor3lBR

New User
A LO with what looks like a Diablo on it, that's strange. Does the Diablo turn freely (like a Gamma string guide) or is it fixed? Have you checked the calibration on the tension head?

Hi I’m sorry I’m new to this, I only used on 2 test rackets so far I didn’t know how to check the Diablo.

This is what I have: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/czech-sport-tension.163672/

I got it from my local shop stringer who had it in his garage as a backup but never used it anymore because he has 2 constant pull machines now. It cost me $200.

I tested the tension pulls with a Wise 2090 calibrator and it’s pretty accurate.

I just don’t know if I should upgrade this or go for a newer machine and just play with this one to gain experience.
 

struggle

Legend
A LO with what looks like a Diablo on it, that's strange. Does the Diablo turn freely (like a Gamma string guide) or is it fixed? Have you checked the calibration on the tension head?

As is normal, none of these responses address the OP's question(s). Well played.

I'd consider other options altogether, but either listed would likely suffice. If you by a WISE,
you can always move it to a different machine later if you wanted a slick new(er) platform.

Now that you added more pics, I'm not sure i'd add a WISE to the Czech machine UNLESS you
plan on upgading the base machine soon.
 

Jor3lBR

New User
As is normal, none of these responses address the OP's question(s). Well played.

I'd consider other options altogether, but either listed would likely suffice. If you by a WISE,
you can always move it to a different machine later if you wanted a slick new(er) platform.

Now that you added more pics, I'm not sure i'd add a WISE to the Czech machine UNLESS you
plan on upgading the base machine soon.

Thank you! Yes the Czech is my first machine and I’m learning w/ it, probably will keep it for a while.

Im thinking about the Wise cause I can transport to another machine in the future.

Which current platform that is self leveling and has a 6pt system do you recommend (that can accommodate the Wise)?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Hi I’m sorry I’m new to this, I only used on 2 test rackets so far I didn’t know how to check the Diablo
There is no way I know to test a diablo. It looks to me as though the diablo was added on after the fact. The way a LO works is the string pull harder as you move the assembly away from the racket. The gripper assembly rotates forward from tension building up in the string. There is a tension spring by the adjustment knob that pushes an arm connected to the gripper assembly that creates a force to keep the gripper assembly for rotating forward. The greater the ref tension you set the greater the tension force of the spring because it is compressed more.

if a diablo is added on to a LO not meant to have one your adding leverage to the string which may add a mechanical advantage. So tension set and the result could be off. That however can be adjusted for by calibrating the LO. But you could loose your linearity doing this. 55# may be spot on but 50#, 45#, 50#, and 60# could be off in different directions. I would check the tension at 5# increments from 40# to 60# to be certain. You want to measure tension at the moment of lockout (when the break engages) not the tension the gauge / string settles to. Some people think using a Kevlar string makes a difference but it won’t if you calibration method is correctly done.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@Jor3lBR - as someone who's been there, yes, portability is a great asset of the Wise. I strung for a couple of tournaments here locally and it was super nice to take the Wise to the venue and use the lockout body. Now the slip side of that, as someone who is there, is upgrading your machine. I went from a NEOS 1000 to a NEOS 1500 to The Mighty Babolat Sensor Dual. The Sensor has a much more robust build and is just a plain joy to string on. I haven't regretted the purchase at all and love stringing on it.

The decision in the end is, of course, yours but either path is a good one. And later on you can always sell the lockout body and the Wise separately or in combination and upgrade to a "nicer" machine. Either way I don't think you'll regret it.
 

dachness

New User
I would go for the new machine with the wise and then sell your machine at some point. I recently purchased a Tourna 300-CS added the Wise Tensioner. I am very happy with both purchases.

Be ready to wait 3+ months for a Wise tensioner unless you find a place that holds their own stock and doesn't drop ship.

See this video that references the very machine and setup you are considering.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
IMO, the guy in the video above is full of crap. That was posted elsewhere. I've strung countless frames on Prince two-point machines with nary a problem. Nor have I heard of anyone getting "killed" or "lehally injured" using a two-point. As a matter of fact, I prefer the mounting system on the NEOS 1500 over any 6-point I've used including that on the Mighty Sensor.
 

loosegroove

Hall of Fame
IMO, the guy in the video above is full of crap. That was posted elsewhere. I've strung countless frames on Prince two-point machines with nary a problem. Nor have I heard of anyone getting "killed" or "lehally injured" using a two-point. As a matter of fact, I prefer the mounting system on the NEOS 1500 over any 6-point I've used including that on the Mighty Sensor.

The dude seems to have a propensity for sensationalism in hopes of boosting his YT brand.
 

Jor3lBR

New User
Stringway ML120con-T92
I would go for the new machine with the wise and then sell your machine at some point. I recently purchased a Tourna 300-CS added the Wise Tensioner. I am very happy with both purchases.

Be ready to wait 3+ months for a Wise tensioner unless you find a place that holds their own stock and doesn't drop ship.

See this video that references the very machine and setup you are considering.
IMO, the guy in the video above is full of crap. That was posted elsewhere. I've strung countless frames on Prince two-point machines with nary a problem. Nor have I heard of anyone getting "killed" or "lehally injured" using a two-point. As a matter of fact, I prefer the mounting system on the NEOS 1500 over any 6-point I've used including that on the Mighty Sensor.
The dude seems to have a propensity for sensationalism in hopes of boosting his YT brand.

Thanks for all the replies the new model Progression II w/ a Wise doesn’t look that bad for your first stringer.

In regards to the Youtuber, like anything in the Web you have to take w/ a big grain of salt and filter the sensationalism, which is what generates views, after that you can find useful information.
 

Jor3lBR

New User
I decided to get the new machine.

So the time has come to make the decision, the very few used Prince NEOS 1000/1500 for over $1,200 + shipping, and non are available locally.

The new-gen Gamma Progression II ST new locally would be $800 out the door. I was able to get a new Wise 2086 for $550 shipped (September delivery).

What you all think?
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Free advice and opinion, so ignore if you wish to do so. Door #2 - PII ST + WISE. If you want speed with fewer potential future issues, the NEOS 1000 or 1500. In fact, I have always been able to string faster using a LO cuz I don't have to wait for the machine to yell at me.
 

R15

New User
I’m new to this, I only used on 2 test rackets so far.

I got it from my local shop stringer who had it in his garage as a backup but never used it anymore because he has 2 constant pull machines now. It cost me $200.

I tested the tension pulls with a Wise 2090 calibrator and it’s pretty accurate.

I just don’t know if I should upgrade this or go for a newer machine and just play with this one to gain experience.

Based on highlighted bits above, I would say be patient and keep your money in your pocket for now, use the machine you have for a little while to gain experience and refine your technique, then when you know more about what you do, and don’t, like about the machine, you can look for a machine that does what you want it to do based on your experience.

What is important for each of us, reflected in the helpful advice above, may well differ to what you discover is important to you…you never know you may discover that the $200 machine you already have does everything you need it to. Just saying.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Free advice and opinion, so ignore if you wish to do so. Door #2 - PII ST + WISE. If you want speed with fewer potential future issues, the NEOS 1000 or 1500. In fact, I have always been able to string faster using a LO cuz I don't have to wait for the machine to yell at me.

Hey @esgee48, I wanted to ask you something via a PM (i.e. "Conversation"), but you don't seem to have that feature enabled.
If you prefer to not have PMs coming your way, then could you possibly start a Conversation with me instead?

Thanks in advance.
 

Jor3lBR

New User
I just posted this:

I am following some advice here and didn't get the new Gamma + new Wise 2086. But I still wanting a Constant Pull my old Czech machine w/ LO I'm currently not so hot on. I have an offer for $300 and just found an Eagnas Smart 6000 for $350. It's fully working and I tested w/ my Wise calibrator. All buttons are in pretty good condition too, the only issue is he can't find the tennis clamps (he used it for badminton) and that the brand is an Eagnas...

What you all think?
 

jim e

Legend
You can purchase a he clamps easily enough from Eagnas, but the side racquet supports , doesn't that machine have different supports for tennis, or does he have the tennis supports?
 

Jor3lBR

New User
You can purchase a he clamps easily enough from Eagnas, but the side racquet supports , doesn't that machine have different supports for tennis, or does he have the tennis supports?

I might be wrong but it looks like tennis rackets 6-pt support, so you think I should consider?

Rich (BB code):
 

jim e

Legend
Looks like you just rotate the supports,around for tennis. Also looks like one of the yellow plastic pads missing that is for the tennis side of the support.
 

Jor3lBR

New User
Looks like you just rotate the supports,around for tennis. Also looks like one of the yellow plastic pads missing that is for the tennis side of the support.

I can’t see the one missing piece you referring too?

and what you mean by rotating the supports? Thanks!
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Looks like you just rotate the supports,around for tennis. Also looks like one of the yellow plastic pads missing that is for the tennis side of the support.

I can’t see the one missing piece you referring too?

and what you mean by rotating the supports? Thanks!

@Jor3lBR,

@jim e is correct.
Each of the 4 side supports (i.e. shoulder supports) can be positioned for either type of frame - tennis or badminton. You simply position them one way (for tennis), or the other way (for badminton).

In that photo, 3 of the 4 side supports are positioned for badminton (which makes sense, given that there is a badminton racquet currently on the machine).
For whatever bizarre reason, that 4th side support (the one furthest from the camera) is turned around, the other way (as you would for a tennis racquet).

I'm also in agreement with @jim e that a couple of the yellow pads (which protect a mounted frame) are missing in that photo.
The side support (closest to the photographer) is definitely missing it's yellow tennis pad (which would protect a mounted tennis racquet).

Additionally, it appears that the very same yellow tennis pad is also missing on the other corresponding side support (the one positioned near the head of that mounted badminton frame).

Nonetheless, if the seller can't locate these pads, you can likely purchase them from Eagnas/Maxline.

As far as the string clamps go...
To me, the clamps in that photo don't appear to be badminton specific string clamps (which would be smaller in size).
The string clamps in the photo appear to be of normal/adequate size for stringing tennis/squash racquets.
 
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