US open 2024- Jannik Sinner vs Taylor Fritz Final

[roysid]

Agree completely. These Spanish players are boneheaded. Nadal destroyed himself by insisting on being coached by Spanish coaches and for the longest time with Toni. Net result, he never had a good serve and lost his ultra offensive game he started with. Massively underachieved.

If Alcaraz does not wise up, he could go a similar route and underachieve. Sinner to Alcaraz might be what Djokovic was to Nadal. Tiny has a big matchup disadvantage vs Sinner anyway. He has to hope for the most part that others take Sinner out coz he himself will likely lose more often than not to Sinner on hard courts.

The Spanish coach bring that comfort and familiarity to them.

 

[abmk]

Congratulations to Sinner, on an incredible run to the USO title.

Well done to Fritz for his first slam final, he played well today, but Sinner was just too good.

Fritz played well ?

 

[beltsman]

I didn't see the match. Can anyone give me a summary? How was each player's level?

 

[Rovesciarete]

Fascinating to see how some don't understand why the UE of almost all shoot up once they play Sinner. Never caught on the Djoker's ways either. Meta game plan against him has been fairly constant for many months now.

Loved some of the tactual subtleties...

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Once again "American" refers to someone from the USA. Period.

No it doesn't

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

neither of them do.
They both have only 2 USOs at their primes compared to 5 for fed.

Rafa from USO 2010 has hit just the same if not higher peak than peak Federer at USO.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

And this guy dares to call someone stupid without falling back on his own ignorance.

Care to explain?

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I dare you to call someone from Brazil an "American" and see how that goes lol

I take it that you've not wandered that much around the south American countries.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

@Rafa4LifeEver, someone is looking for you.

Nope, not me.
But, if someone would've asked for a back vortex, I may have pointed him towards you.

 

[Tano]

Care to explain?

That someone born in countries like Argentina, Brazil, Peru, Chile, etc., are not American because ethnocentrists called their country the United States of America.

 

[ChrisRF]

The sadly now deceased UTS also agrees with me.

Do you know why the page isn't updated anymore since the end of 2023? It was by far the best website for tennis statistics that ever existed and therefore no clickbait title. Even if never updated again I hope it won't go down entirely, because for 1968-2023 it remains an indispensable reference work.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

That someone born in countries like Argentina, Brazil, Peru, Chile, etc., are not American because ethnocentrists called their country the United States of America.

Pal, not to me, to that poster.

 

[Tano]

Pal, not to me, to that poster.

I do not wish to engage in a war of words with an illiterate person, but if you wish to do so, be my guest.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I do not wish to engage in a war of words with an illiterate person, but if you wish to do so, be my guest.

True, not worth the effort or resources. I agree with you.
Especially with resident of a country where 30% of the population believes that chocolate milk comes from brown cows lol.

 

[ChrisRF]

That someone born in countries like Argentina, Brazil, Peru, Chile, etc., are not American because ethnocentrists called their country the United States of America.

"United States of America" can principally have two meanings though:

1) Some United States together create the whole entity of America (with an emphasis on "America").
2) The United States as such are the meaningful term, and America is just an appendix to separate it from another (real or hypothetical) United States somewhere else in the world ("The United States of the American continent")

Since it's obvious that indeed the whole continent has the name "America", the latter meaning is the correct one, while the first meaning is the colloquial one within the US itself (and often also in the whole Western World of US influence).

 

[Tano]

"United States of America" can principally have two meanings though:

1) Some United States together create the whole entity of America (with an emphasis on "America").
2) The United States as such are the meaningful term, and America is just an appendix to separate it from another (real or hypothetical) United States somewhere else in the world ("The United States of the American continent")

Since it's obvious that indeed the whole continent has the name "America", the latter meaning is the correct one, while the first meaning is the colloquial one within the US itself (and often also in the whole Western World of US influence).

I have no problem calling those born in the United States, Americans, if the same distinction is also recognized for people born in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay, Venezuela and any person born in the islands, Antilles and other countries that make up the American continent.
You can use, if you want to differentiate by the origin of people, because the vastness of the continent, North Americans, Central Americans and South Americans, but all of them are, etymologically speaking, born in America.

 

[ChrisRF]

I have no problem calling those born in the United States, Americans, if the same distinction is also recognized for people born in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay, Venezuela and any person born in the islands, Antilles and other countries that make up the American continent.
You can use, if you want to differentiate by the origin of people, because the vastness of the continent, North Americans, Central Americans and South Americans, but all of them are, etymologically speaking, born in America.

I actually agree with you. I didn't say it's right to use that colloquial term. However, I can somewhat understand where it comes from, and it doesn't need to be chauvinism here (despite some elements of US patriotism deserve criticism IMO).

It's simplicistic speech, because always saying "a United States American" is too long, so "an American" became the colloquial term. For the other people of the continent it's easy to just go by their country names, like "an Argentinian", "a Bolivian" and so on.

But yes, in Sports it should simply be named "the last US player" instead of "the last American" when it's about who was the last local player to win the US Open.

 

[Icsa]

I didn't see the match. Can anyone give me a summary? How was each player's level?

I fell asleep while trying to watch the match in the middle of the day, that's how boring it was. Woke up at match point and the ESPN commentators all they could talk about was doping.

 

[ppma]

Woke up at match point and the ESPN commentators all they could talk about was doping.

Based.

 

[Succession]

Boring AF. Anyone who watched tennis, pretty much any other era will call this a snoozefest and rightfully so.

It's just crazy bad right now. Boring, one-dimensional, fake AF. Look at Sinner's celebration after winning the USO, looks so fake and stupid.

I really have the feeling that something is wrong with Jan. He radiates a somewhat weird and grimly type of ambition, spooky.

Next year should be epic between Raz + Sin.

 

[tennis_pro]

I really have the feeling that something is wrong with Jan. He radiates a somewhat weird and grimly type of ambition, spooky.

Next year should be epic between Raz + Sin.

It looked so weird and fake. You can't fake excitement. Deep down he knows that something is off.

It's still his 2nd Slam and first USO, so maybe he doesn't know to react, I'd give him that, but still it looked so artificial.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Do you know why the page isn't updated anymore since the end of 2023? It was by far the best website for tennis statistics that ever existed and therefore no clickbait title. Even if never updated again I hope it won't go down entirely, because for 1968-2023 it remains an indispensable reference work.

I've no idea sorry but I do miss UTS being updated after every big tournament.

 

[RS]

Quite a shot.

"If you wanna box, you gotta be serious. You can step in the ring with some dude who looks like Pee-wee Herman [Dave Tiberi?], then find out quick- hey, this MFer can fight.." -James Toney, paraphrased.

His accuracy is devastating.

 

[abmk]

Rafa from USO 2010 has hit just the same if not higher peak than peak Federer at USO.

Fed USO 04/06 is clearly above Nadal USO 10.
Nadal USO 10 similar to fed USO 05/07 and 08 SF/F.

Importantly fed has USO 04-09 and 11 which are above any version of nadal at USO other than 10 and 13.
Fed of USO 11 is also above nadal of USO 11 in general, though in a straight matchup it could go either way thanks to the matchup/mental scenario at that time.

 

[MiamiWeekendWarrior]

No it doesn't

Ok Mister Geography, if someone is an American Citizen, what country would you expect them to be from?

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Ok Mister Geography, if someone is an American Citizen, what country would you expect them to be from?

He can be a USA citizen, not an American citizen. Because technically speaking, USA is country, America is continent.

 

[tx10is]

He can be a USA citizen, not an American citizen. Because technically speaking, USA is country, America is continent.

lol America is not a continent. The 2 continents over here are NORTH America and SOUTH America hence the terms NORTH American or SOUTH American if going by continent. The country United States of America (USA) is just called America for short and citizens are called American. Take China for example, Their country is called People's republic of china but people just say china for short and call them chinese. You have got to be trolling.

 

[robyrolfo]

I really have the feeling that something is wrong with Jan. He radiates a somewhat weird and grimly type of ambition, spooky.

Huh? "Weird and grimly type of ambition"? What does that even mean? Every player at the top of the sport is ambitious, so that's a given, and I don't know how Sinner's is any different to the other. Nothing weird about it.

If anything, Sinner represses it too much in the name of kindness and politeness. Even Draper just said that perhaps Sinner's biggest weakness is that he's too nice.

It looked so weird and fake. You can't fake excitement. Deep down he knows that something is off.

It's still his 2nd Slam and first USO, so maybe he doesn't know to react, I'd give him that, but still it looked so artificial.

Again, what? "Weird and fake"? What was weird and fake?

He didn't fake a thing. The win was more relief than anything else for him, given that he was the heavy favorite in the final, and really for over a week since the "genuine" pairing of Alcaraz and Djokovic bombed out to some scrubs.

Sinner didn't need to drop to his knees or lie down on the court, the way so many do in less than spontaneous feeling ways. That wasn't what he was feeling, so he didn't do it. The kid is shy, humble and polite, and his reaction showed as much.

Honestly, the only "weird and fake" celebration that stands out to me is the Djokovic 'giving my heart to you' gesture, which feels completed awkward and contrived every single time.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

lol America is not a continent. The 2 continents over here are NORTH America and SOUTH America hence the terms NORTH American or SOUTH American if going by continent. The country United States of America (USA) is just called America for short and citizens are called American. Take China for example, Their country is called People's republic of china but people just say china for short and call them chinese. You have got to be trolling.

America is divided into 3 sub-continents. North, Central and South American continents.
Come on dude, its elementary school geography.

 

[Watching]

America is divided into 3 sub-continents. North, Central and South American continents.
Come on dude, its elementary school geography.

I don't think any of you understand that this is taught in school differently in any nation. Ask people how many continents exist and you'll get any answer between 4 and 7

 

[tx10is]

America is divided into 3 sub-continents. North, Central and South American continents.
Come on dude, its elementary school geography.

lol now i know you're just trolling or just plain ignorant. whether you believe or were taught that there are 2 or 20 continents doesn't matter, i already explained why people call citizens of USA americans. also why over here del potro is called an Argentinian and not an American like sudacafan said which is what i believe started this. maybe you guys were taught different but if you google it you will see what is taught over here
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/Continent/#

how many continents are there - Google Search

www.google.com

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

lol now i know you're just trolling or just plain ignorant. whether you believe or were taught that there are 2 or 20 continents doesn't matter, i already explained why people call citizens of USA americans. also why over here del potro is called an Argentinian and not an American like sudacafan said which is what i believe started this. maybe you guys were taught different but if you google it you will see what is taught over here
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/Continent/#

how many continents are there - Google Search

www.google.com

USA has an educational system which mass produces stupids, so I wouldn't argue anymore over the technicality of the term.

 

[robyrolfo]

USA has an educational system which mass produces stupids, so I wouldn't argue anymore over the technicality of the term.

And this comment isn't stupid?

 

[I get cramps]

This opinion sounds like its coming from a typical USA resident with less than 20 functioning neurons.

America is a continent that's divided into 2, some times 3 sub continents of North, Central & South America.
Brazil is a country in South America, and hence a resident of Brazil is an Amarican by the geography of his residencence.

Manejan esa gruesa sinécdoque, es asimismo una falacia lógica, con alacridad y descaro; mas todo hay que decirlo, el resto de americanos jamás les reprochan que se hayan arrogado dicho gentilíceo: https://x.com/dimmerwahr/status/1144610105016668160

 

[Windsor2]

lol now i know you're just trolling or just plain ignorant. whether you believe or were taught that there are 2 or 20 continents doesn't matter, i already explained why people call citizens of USA americans. also why over here del potro is called an Argentinian and not an American like sudacafan said which is what i believe started this. maybe you guys were taught different but if you google it..

Do these things exclude each other?

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Manejan esa gruesa sinécdoque, es asimismo una falacia lógica, con alacridad y descaro; mas todo hay que decirlo, el resto de americanos jamás les reprochan que se hayan arrogado dicho gentilíceo: https://x.com/dimmerwahr/status/1144610105016668160

El resto de los estadounidenses (los ciudadanos de los países ubicados en los continentes Norte, Central y Americano) dejan que los ciudadanos de los EE.UU. sean lo que son, porque saben que son tontos muy bien.