US Open 2024 Semifinals Matchup - [1] Jannik Sinner (ITA) v/s [25] Jack Alexander Draper (Great Britain)

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Here we go. This is the first ever slam SF for the young Brit, and the 3rd of the year for the world #1.

H2H is 1-0 to Draper, who won their only previous meeting at Queen's club ATP 500 R32 in 2021 by 76 76.

Sinner is on a 10 match winning streak, with a title win in Cincinnati, followed by the 5 wins in 1R-QF here. Draper otoh has not dropped a set so far at this tournament.

Even though Sinner goes in as the heavy favourite here, Draper may have a surprise in store for us.

Vote & discuss.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Sinner will destroy him in 3 sets

OP I saved myself this tournament switching from Djokovic to sinner before the polls closed.

 

[KingCarlitos]

Congrats to Sinner on winning 2nd Slam!!

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Human wrecking ball machine won’t be denied now!

 

[Spin Diesel]

From what I‘ve seen, Draper played some great tennis so far - his draw hasn‘t been super-tough though. But he has nothing to loose, while all the pressure is on Sinner now, after he has beaten his assumed toughest opponent already and is now expected to win his next two matches.
Could get interesting!

 

[Rattie]

Either Sinner wins easily or it’s a battle and Draper wins

 

[dking68]

Here we go. This is the first ever slam SF for the young Brit, and the 3rd of the year for the world #1.

H2H is 1-0 to Draper, who won their only previous meeting at Queen's club ATP 500 R32 in 2021 by 76 76.

Sinner is on a 10 match winning streak, with a title win in Cincinnati, followed by the 5 wins in 1R-QF here. Draper otoh has not dropped a set so far at this tournament.

Even though Sinner goes in as the heavy favourite here, Draper may have a surprise in store for us.

Vote & discuss.

If Sinner wins on Friday, he will be the first 2000s born player to cross 10,000 ATP points and if he wins the title, he will be the undisputed best hardcourter born from 1990-present.

 

[Terenigma]

I watched his match vs Medvedev and Carrotoid honestly didn't look that great so if Draper can hold his own serve consistently then I think he's got a chance.

Still think he'll get beaten in 4 but I'm hoping for the upset!

 

[Aabye5]

Draper's got skills, but his good pal Sinner just doesn't want to lose this tournament.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

If Sinner wins on Friday, he will be the first 2000s born player to cross 10,000 ATP points and if he wins the title, he will be the undisputed best hardcourter born from 1990-present.

Thanks to clobestol

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Sinner will destroy him in 3 sets

OP I saved myself this tournament switching from Djokovic to sinner before the polls closed.

Alright, your wish.
What was our bet again?

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Either Sinner wins easily or it’s a battle and Draper wins

If its a battle then expect Sinner to come out on top, because he is physically better than Draper.
If Draper wants to win this, he has to do it with quickfire tennis with short points.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Alright, your wish.
What was our bet again?

Our original bet after olympics was me saying Djokovic to win it and you said he won’t so I can still do the avi change for a period of time if you like

However, before the poll closed I changed to Sinner as you can see on that main us open 2024 poll voting thread! Haha

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Our original bet after olympics was me saying Djokovic to win it and you said he won’t so I can still do the avi change for a period of time if you like

However, before the poll closed I changed to Sinner as you can see on that main us open 2024 poll voting thread! Haha

From the USO F till the Shanghai F

And no, changing the vote is not allowed lol.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

From the USO F till the Shanghai F

And no, changing the vote is not allowed lol.

That is a fair deal

Our bet was separate from the us open poll so I will do the avi change. After seeing sinner in cincy I went big on him but our bet was already made. I will change my avi to what you desire after Us open F

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

That is a fair deal

Our bet was separate from the us open poll so I will do the avi change. After seeing sinner in cincy I went big on him but our bet was already made. I will change my avi to what you desire after Us open F

That's my buddy.

 

[RSJfan]

The only surprise Draper has is how he got to the semis.

“YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID”

 

[JMR]

If its a battle then expect Sinner to come out on top, because he is physically better than Draper.
If Draper wants to win this, he has to do it with quickfire tennis with short points.

No one in the game right now can beat Sinner that way in a three-of-five on hard courts. That approach would require Federer 2004-2008-style overwhelming attacking or prime Sampras-style smothering S&V. Both are above Draper's pay grade. The guys in the field today need a good measure of high-quality grinding to have a chance.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

No one in the game right now can beat Sinner that way in a three-of-five on hard courts. That approach would require Federer 2004-2008-style overwhelming attacking or prime Sampras-style smothering S&V. Both are above Draper's pay grade. The guys in the field today need a good measure of high-quality grinding to have a chance.

Draper can't outgrind Clobestol-Sinner in a physical battle. So nope, he should not do that.

 

[grandefrankie]

Sinner didn't even play that well vs Medvedev, his toughest opponent in the draw, and still won fairly easily in the end. Everyone else left in this draw at this point will be fodder, especialy his badly overmatched semi final opponent.

 

[JMR]

Draper can't outgrind Clobestol-Sinner in a physical battle. So nope, he should not do that.

The fact that Draper can't win through strategy X does not imply that he can win through strategy Y. I've already explained that he lacks the tools for your recommended alternative.

 

[Purestriker]

Sinner will destroy him in 3 sets

OP I saved myself this tournament switching from Djokovic to sinner before the polls closed.

Sin city in 3!

 

[NeutralFan]

Sinner in 3, draper will get obliterated in next round. Sinner train is going to destroy everything in his way .

 

[NeutralFan]

Draper can't outgrind Clobestol-Sinner in a physical battle. So nope, he should not do that.

Lmao Sinner has literally one of the weakest stamina on your, doping accusations are laughable.

 

[jayvee]

Sinner is 3 quick sets. Draper the worst USO semi-finalist since Cahill.

 

[JMR]

Sinner is 3 quick sets. Draper the worst USO semi-finalist since Cahill.

Cahill beat Boris Becker that year (R2)!

 

[Bride of Alcaraz]

Sinner in 3, draper will get obliterated in next round. Sinner train is going to destroy everything in his way .

LOL!
Sinner is 0-2 vs. Alcaraz in 2024.

Barely won at RG in 5 and at IW a HC that plays like clay. At other places he wasn't even good enough to meet Sinner , losing to bums

IW "plays like clay", so Nadal must have won it 10 times, yeah?
And is Sinner really that one-dimensional that he's only suited to FAST hardcourts?
Clutchness is what separates the legends from everyone else, and Alcaraz is the King of Clutch 12-1 in 5-setters and 4-0 in slam finals.
That's the difference between Djokovic and Murray, 20 slams of clutchness separate them.
And that's why Alcaraz has 4 slams by age 21, while Sinner has 1 slam by age 23...
Will Sinner ever win a slam away from hardcourt (?) because he's lost 6 sets in a row to Djokovic at Wimbledon, and doesn't have the body to outgrind Alcaraz at RG.

 

[NeutralFan]

LOL!
Sinner is 0-2 vs. Alcaraz in 2024.

Barely won at RG in 5 and at IW a HC that plays like clay. At other places he wasn't even good enough to meet Sinner , losing to bums

 

[sortof]

Against Med the juicy carrot boy appeared beatable. Lowish 1st serve percentage, too many UEs - he needs to do better than this to win against Draper and ultimately to take the USO crown. Still, I expect Sonic to be able to raise his level and to down Draper in 3 or 4 sets.

 

[grandefrankie]

he needs to do better than this to win against Draper.

Sinner just needs to show up to the court in something other than a wheelchair to beat Draper.

 

[Jack the Hack]

Sinner is 3 quick sets. Draper the worst USO semi-finalist since Cahill.

I agree that Sinner is going to win, probably in straight sets. He's a level above Draper.

As for the second part of your statement, as @JMR wrote, Cahill at least upset #5 seed Boris Becker in that '88 US Open. He also took out Krickstein in the quarters in 5 sets that year.

For other lame(r) candidates since Cahill's semifinal run, consider:

• Wally Masur in 1993, who beat no seeds on his way to the semis, where he lost to #15 seed Pioline.
• The battle between unseeded Jonas Bjorkman vs. unseeded Greg Rusedski in the 1997 US Open semifinals. Bjorkman got a retirement from #15 seed Petr Korda in the quarters, but faced no other seeds. Rusedski faced no seeds on the run to the final.
• Unseeded Robby Ginepri in 2005.

At least Draper is the #25 seed. He's seeded higher than other players that made recent US Open semifinals, such as Khachanov in 2022. Even Ben Shelton was an unseeded semifinalist last year. Plus, Draper is only 22 years old and at least won an ATP 500 earlier this year. He's on the rise.

 

[sortof]

Will Sinner ever win a slam away from hardcourt (?) because he's lost 6 sets in a row to Djokovic at Wimbledon, and doesn't have the body to outgrind Alcaraz at RG.

I don´t care as long as he wins on HC. Else, I think that a Wimbledon title may actually be doable for him regardless of previous meltdowns against Djokovic. And RG - one never knows.

 

[Aabye5]

Sinner in 3 is the obvious and most likely outcome.

Still, from a tactical standpoint, I think Draper's game will be pretty effective against Sinner. The question is whether he can sustain a level long enough to win.

Jack-Jack in 4, because it would be fun.

 

[Aabye5]

Who is Draper's coach? Seems like he split with Ferreira just before the USO. Is he going solo?

Edit: guess he had two before, and now has one

 

[Gooner89]

Sinner is 3 quick sets. Draper the worst USO semi-finalist since Cahill.

Bullsh*t....Fritz and his one dimensional baseline b*ll*cks is way worse. Terrible to watch and one of the worst vollyers on tour.
Draper has the tools to do anyone. He did Alcatraz on grass, I don't see why he can't do Sinner on a hard court.

 

[jayvee]

Bullsh*t....Fritz and his one dimensional baseline b*ll*cks is way worse. Terrible to watch and one of the worst vollyers on tour.
Draper has the tools to do anyone. He did Alcatraz on grass, I don't see why he can't do Sinner on a hard court.

Thanks for your input, British fan.

Fritz a much better player. I'm sorry you're not good at tennis watching.

 

[speedysteve]

Sinner might start a little slow.
Even drop the first.
I reckon he'll get it done in 4.

Don't mind at all if Jack wins though. I've followed him since juniors.

 

[Tennis Fan States63]

The fact that Draper can't win through strategy X does not imply that he can win through strategy Y. I've already explained that he lacks the tools for your recommended alternative.

So....basically......he's you know what?

 

[Pheasant]

Draper can serve big and he’s not afraid to come to the net often to get a player out of his rhythm. I think he will catch Sinner off-guard and disrupt Sinner’s game.

This is the only match that I am looking forward to. I find it very interesting. I think that Draper will do much better than people think.

But Sinner is a slam champion and the experience will payoff. I’m taking Sinner in a tight 5-set match. And he will need to come from behind to win

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Draper can serve big and he’s not afraid to come to the net often to get a player out of his rhythm. I think he will catch Sinner off-guard and disrupt Sinner’s game.

This is the only match that I am looking forward to. I find it very interesting. I think that Draper will do much better than people think.

But Sinner is a slam champion and the experience will payoff. I’m taking Sinner in a tight 5-set match. And he will need to come from behind to win

I honestly don’t see it being that difficult. I think people are getting carried away by draper run away. Apart from this he’s done nothing this year and crashing out early. I honestly see sinner in 3 unless he goes off the boil a bit.

 

[McGradey]

Not So Simple Jack could do something here, his form's been red hot. Most likely outcome on this front is he comes out firing and gets a lead, maybe a set, before Sinner dials in and crunches him from the baseline. Thin Man in four sets.

 

[Pheasant]

I honestly don’t see it being that difficult. I think people are getting carried away by draper run away. Apart from this he’s done nothing this year and crashing out early. I honestly see sinner in 3 unless he goes off the boil a bit.

You might very well be right and I respect your opinion. But my gut tells me that this match will be a barn-burner. I guess I have Draper fever after watching him destroy de Minaur.

 

[Vincent-C]

Not So Simple Jack could do something here, his form's been red hot. Most likely outcome on this front is he comes out firing and gets a lead, maybe a set, before Sinner dials in and crunches him from the baseline. Thin Man in four sets.

This seems like a good call. Even if it's not, I think Carrot guts it out anyway.
The American who comes through on the other side better be ready.

 

[beezer12]

draper in 5 to seal a new big three

 

[Vincent-C]

draper in 5 to seal a new big three

That would be very fun!

 

[Aabye5]

draper in 5 to seal a new big three

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Lmao Sinner has literally one of the weakest stamina on your, doping accusations are laughable.

He surely does have a weak stamina, even with Clobestol doping (which does cover that issue somewhat); however, Draper is even worse in that area (and has no Clobestol to hide that issue)

 

[JJGUY]

Lmao Sinner has literally one of the weakest stamina on your, doping accusations are laughable.

His doping is a fact, it's not an accusation here, he failed the test TWICE and thus he had TWO doping violations and BOTH violations are on record and Sinner himself did not dispute these two tests and he accepted these two doping violations. As for whether his dopings were intentional or accidental, that's another question and people can go on and debate that forever, but the fact remains that Sinner had TWO doping violations!

 

[Vincent-C]

His doping is a fact, it's not an accusation here, he failed the test TWICE and thus he had TWO doping violations and BOTH violations are on record and Sinner himself did not dispute these two tests and he accepted these two doping violations. As for whether his dopings were intentional or accidental, that's another question and people can go on and debate that forever, but the fact remains that Sinner had TWO doping violations!

The bolding and caps very clearly strengthen your case.

 

[JJGUY]

The bolding and caps very clearly strengthen your case.

not my case, it's Sinner's case and it's already closed, but some people still want to dispute the findings here.