US Open'18 Shinnecock Hills General Discussion Thread

#1
Play starts this morning on of the traditional USO courses, this one a links style track on the east end of Long Island.

The course has been lengthened and fairways widened a bit since the last visit there in 2004. Winds are predicted to 20 mph gusts for all 4 rounds. Iron control and a good short game will be at a premium with the very tricky conditions and the steep drop offs around the green.

Dustin Johnson looked great winning Memphis going away this past weekend.

Rory Baggins loves a windy links setting.

Tiger Woods continues his odyssey and has won an Open on Long Island at Bethpage Black.

Defending champion Brooks Koepka has looked so-so in his rehab from a wrist injury.

The Five Jays (Spieth, Thomas, Rose, Rahm, Day) are all poised in the top 10. Rickie Fowler needs a major!


Who ya got for the second major of the year?
 
#6
Yea only 2 guys in the clubhouse so far under par. Only 2 on the back nine under par. Earlier stat was that number 5 was the only hole on the entire course playing under par. that was a couple hours ago though.

Some opele don't like these kind of tournamants. I don't mind seeing these guys struggle for par from time to time.
 
#7
Yea only 2 guys in the clubhouse so far under par. Only 2 on the back nine under par. Earlier stat was that number 5 was the only hole on the entire course playing under par. that was a couple hours ago though.

Some opele don't like these kind of tournamants. I don't mind seeing these guys struggle for par from time to time.
Anyone watching? What is causing the high scores? Is it the weather? Is the course set up "fair", or is it circus golf?
 
#8
Anyone watching? What is causing the high scores? Is it the weather? Is the course set up "fair", or is it circus golf?
The wind cries bogey! They shortened one hole playing into the gusts by 40 yards.

A lot of the pundits were predicting before they started that -4 for the 72 would win.
 
#15
Pundits on target more than the pros...-1 leads right now but the wind may be more favorable tomorrow. Still, this is a circus track with approach shots landing well short of the pin and then rolling off the inverted saucer greens. It's 2004 all over again when Gooseneck won here on pure grit.

Stenson is close to the lead and controls his irons better than all but perhaps DJ. One of those two will take this.
 

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#16
Tiger hasn't won a major since 2008. Do the math...5x the fall.
True. I still remember watching that remarkable '08 playoff against Rocco where Tiger won major #14 on one leg. I still can't believe that was the last time he's put his hands on a major trophy *sigh*

Although, Tiger did return to number one somewhere around 2012-13 when he was once again winning a ton of tournaments, but as far as majors is concerned, 2008 was the last memory of him winning a slam. He really hasn't been the same since his old man passed in 2006, and his '09 scandal mixed with all the other injuries he's had over the years has taken its toll on the Tiger we used to know. Even though he's shown flashes of old greatness this year, I'm still not 100% sold that "tiger's back" until he actually wins a tournament of any kind.
 
#17
True. I still remember watching that remarkable '08 playoff against Rocco where Tiger won major #14 on one leg. I still can't believe that was the last time he's put his hands on a major trophy *sigh*

Although, Tiger did return to number one somewhere around 2012-13 when he was once again winning a ton of tournaments, but as far as majors is concerned, 2008 was the last memory of him winning a slam. He really hasn't been the same since his old man passed in 2006, and his '09 scandal mixed with all the other injuries he's had over the years has taken its toll on the Tiger we used to know. Even though he's shown flashes of old greatness this year, I'm still not 100% sold that "tiger's back" until he actually wins a tournament of any kind.
There was a nice interview with Tiger's original swing coach Butch Harmon aired today. He claims Tiger is all out of sync on the tee box because he's trying to keep up with the younger big bangers. If he swung under control and accept the 20 yard gap he would then find the short grass so much more often that he would return to winning. However, that competitive streak in Tiger is pushing him beyond control.
 
#18
Tiger Woods 1st hole.


Trainwreck. It just seems he has a mental blockage, so dissapointed. Dont count him out, but coming brack from 8 strokes......
 
#20
True. I still remember watching that remarkable '08 playoff against Rocco where Tiger won major #14 on one leg. I still can't believe that was the last time he's put his hands on a major trophy *sigh*

Although, Tiger did return to number one somewhere around 2012-13 when he was once again winning a ton of tournaments, but as far as majors is concerned, 2008 was the last memory of him winning a slam. He really hasn't been the same since his old man passed in 2006, and his '09 scandal mixed with all the other injuries he's had over the years has taken its toll on the Tiger we used to know. Even though he's shown flashes of old greatness this year, I'm still not 100% sold that "tiger's back" until he actually wins a tournament of any kind.
Rocco went at him toe to toe and that tiger is in the lead he has got in the bag mojo wore off. But Tiger probably should have never played that tournament and if it wasn't at Torrey Pines he probably never would have. Tiger claimed that was the first full size course he ever wanted to play. He played that after getting some stuff cleaned up in his knee but word is he actually had a torn ACL and some other damage in that knee. He was advised not to play but no way he was missing that tournament on that golf course. Playing on that bad knee and not getting fixed properly was the probably the beginning of the end as far as his the rest of the body breaking down. If his body would not have broke down he would have recovered from the Perkins waitress scandal way faster because he could have just played golf.
 
#21
Pundits on target more than the pros...-1 leads right now but the wind may be more favorable tomorrow. Still, this is a circus track with approach shots landing well short of the pin and then rolling off the inverted saucer greens. It's 2004 all over again when Gooseneck won here on pure grit.

Stenson is close to the lead and controls his irons better than all but perhaps DJ. One of those two will take this.
Looking at the early leaderboard it seems to be more of the same. Bello is -3 so far today, woodland -2, 7 others at -1. only 9 guys on the course underpar 9 guys at even and 59 people out on the course over par.

Of those 59 over par only 16 of them are +1 the rest are +2 or worse. And that's with the earliest group only thru 12 holes.

FYI, not watching it on TV or listening to broadcast. just looking at live USGA leaderboard.
 
#23
Still, this is a circus track with approach shots landing well short of the pin and then rolling off the inverted saucer greens.
I was afraid of that. I heard and interview Phil gave and he was diplomatically saying that the USGA has a tough job of striking the balance between testing the golfers skills but not turning the course into circus golf. I figured that his comments were a diplomatic way of saying that they got the balance wrong this year.

Circus golf is just plain stupid. What I wish they'd do is grow the rough as tall as a hay field to punish wayward drives, but not make the greens like the top of a car. Grow the rough around the greens too. Make the premium on accuracy.
 
#24
I hope golf doesn't go down the tennis route and cater to one particular style. But I kinda feel like they are doing what they can to make sure the big hitters are always in contention. Making the greens super slick benefits the guys who can swing harder and hit the ball higher.

I like variety and contrasting styles.
 
#25
Only 4 so far under par. Woodland -4 and fleetwodd -1 are all finished. Haotong Li -2 through 15. Johnson -3 on the day with one left to plasy. That's it.

Cut projected at +10 tiger looks to be +11 with only his 18th left to play.
McIlroy at +10 but yet to tee off for round 2.
Adam Scott went through the process of qualifying through the tournaments and looks to be finishesin around +12.
 
#26
I hope golf doesn't go down the tennis route and cater to one particular style. But I kinda feel like they are doing what they can to make sure the big hitters are always in contention. Making the greens super slick benefits the guys who can swing harder and hit the ball higher.

I like variety and contrasting styles.
USGA does this every year after a really low score wins the title. Shinnecock is a perfect track for them to engineer higher scores.

Intereting that Corey Pavin, perhaps the shortest in length of major champions, won here in 1995. They have lengthened the course since then but the greens complexes are fairly similar.
 
#27
I hope golf doesn't go down the tennis route and cater to one particular style. But I kinda feel like they are doing what they can to make sure the big hitters are always in contention. Making the greens super slick benefits the guys who can swing harder and hit the ball higher.

I like variety and contrasting styles.
No, big hitting appeals to the masses. They could easily "dial down" golf distances by engineering and restricting the ball differently. But they know the casual fan loves the long ball. It's the same thing baseball went through (juiced balls, steroid era, 70+ homerun seasons). They know that, even though the "purist" hates it, they'll stick around because they love the sport. The game is always to appeal to the casual fan, so they have to dumb down all sports to make it interesting and exciting to these guys.

I was on a driving range close to work a few weeks ago where they have guys hitting from both ends of the range. I was hitting from the North side and noticed a ball land on our hitting area. Then I noticed another, then another. There was a guy on the other side FLYING the ball to our "tee boxes". I had someone "range sight" him and he was 345 yards away. So he was hitting 345 yards on the fly. And that's just "joe sixpack" out hitting range balls on a Tuesday.
 
#28
No, big hitting appeals to the masses. They could easily "dial down" golf distances by engineering and restricting the ball differently. But they know the casual fan loves the long ball. It's the same thing baseball went through (juiced balls, steroid era, 70+ homerun seasons). They know that, even though the "purist" hates it, they'll stick around because they love the sport. The game is always to appeal to the casual fan, so they have to dumb down all sports to make it interesting and exciting to these guys.

I was on a driving range close to work a few weeks ago where they have guys hitting from both ends of the range. I was hitting from the North side and noticed a ball land on our hitting area. Then I noticed another, then another. There was a guy on the other side FLYING the ball to our "tee boxes". I had someone "range sight" him and he was 345 yards away. So he was hitting 345 yards on the fly. And that's just "joe sixpack" out hitting range balls on a Tuesday.
Eat more bacon and you can go deep too!
 
#29
Eat more bacon and you can go deep too!
It was cheesesteaks, Italian hoagies, and Raquel Darrian that I give credit for my forearm strength and ability to hit 450 foot plus homeruns in my younger days. I'm sure I could have blasted golf balls constiently deep as well. I did roll a ball through the green once on a 360 yard par 4. But it was slighty downhill and dry as a bone.
 
#30
It was cheesesteaks, Italian hoagies, and Raquel Darrian that I give credit for my forearm strength and ability to hit 450 foot plus homeruns in my younger days. I'm sure I could have blasted golf balls constiently deep as well. I did roll a ball through the green once on a 360 yard par 4. But it was slighty downhill and dry as a bone.
"I love a man that can go long"

 
#33
Dustin leads by four as the only player able to combine for an under par score at -4. Lots of better scoring, particularly in the afternoon groups after the rain and winds disappeared. DJ impressively shot his 67 in the bad weather. Several guys got close but faltered (Poulter and Rose were the English pair to fold but Fleetwood charged closer with a 66 and +1).

Big names missing the cut included Tiger, Rory and Jordan Spieth. Spieth had righted the ship with a birdie run but bogeyed his last two holes to miss by one stroke.

Prevailing winds return on Saturday and they are expected to be softer. There will be some low scores on Moving Day.
 
#34
Phat Phil celebrates his 48th birthday by getting paired with a dude that makes him seem thin. No, Suri didn't make the cut but Beef Johnston did!
 
#40
The wind is up and DJ is down a double early to make the gap a bit less. Much of the hunting pack is very steady right now. The intrigue builds!

@r2473 is the leader in the clubhouse and only five strokes back. He has been spotted eating a BLT in the clubhouse. In between bites, he resets his ankle for practice in case he trips over his own feet during his next celebration.
 
#44
Stenson may have made a decisive stroke just by saving par on a long curving putt. If he wins by a stroke, remember #6 on Saturday when he saved par.
 
#46
Course conditions are the winner this afternoon as the leaders are now +1. The morning groups made the moves with Jay Berger's son Daniel and @r2473 's twin 66 scores the best of the day. They started 11 shots off the lead and are now just two off the lead.

Eat a lot of bacon tonight, @r2473 !
 
#47
DJ three-jacks #18 to fall into a four-way tie for the lead. It's three 'Muricans and one golfer from the Mormon Republic of Utah.

The penultimate pair will be the past two USO champions, DJ and FSU alum Brooks Koepka. The final pairing will be two guys who started Saturday 11 shots off the lead. Jay Berger's son Daniel will be paired with our own @r2473 , aka world famous dancer Tony Finau.
 
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#50
DJ three-jacks #18 to fall into a four-way tie for the lead. It's three 'Muricans and one golfer from the Mormon Republic of Utah.

The penultimate pair will be the past two USO champions, DJ and FSU alum Brooks Koepka. The final pairing will be two guys who started Saturday 11 shots off the lead. Jay Berger's son Daniel will be paired with our own @r2473 , aka world famous dancer Tony Finau.
Finau will capture the Mormon Johnny Miller spirit and win with a record score of 62 tomorrow
 
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