USA bans all travel from Europe for the 30 days. Players hoping to play in Miami would need to arrive by Midnight friday

TennisManiac

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South Korea, Taiwan, and Germany are handling it fairly well

China also did a great job of containing it after botching the initial response. Seems like they've gotten past the worst of it. Having been to China I'm surprised at how (relatively) well they managed to stop it from wrecking the whole country
Have you heard how many were infected and how many died in China?
 

D-Lite

Professional
Perhaps you want to make yourself clear.
Not sure what are you asking



The truth is several or perhaps many countries already introduced similar travel bans.
First on travelling to / from China. Then South Corea and Iran were added.
Then Italy was added.
Nowadays most flights to Italy ard canceled within EU, and there are various types of restrictions from restricting air travel to complete ban for people coming from affected areas.

So US is not the pioneer in this domain.
Whether UK decision being political or based on real facts.

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It's political - the UK has far more cases than many other European countries and we have a huge population of other Europeans since we're in the EU (for now in a transition period). I don't believe they have that many flight/travel restrictions to Europe beside Italy or Northern Italy, more precisely. Only a few days ago flights were still arriving from N of Italy.
 

blablavla

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It's political - the UK has far more cases than many other European countries and we have a huge population of other Europeans since we're in the EU (for now in a transition period). I don't believe they have that many flight/travel restrictions to Europe beside Italy or Northern Italy, more precisely. Only a few days ago flights were still arriving from N of Italy.
Based on the statistics to which I have access (publicly available), top 10 countries are:
China - 80k
Italy - 12k
Iran - 9k
South Korea - less than 8k
France - 2.2k
Spain - 2.1k
Germany - 1.5k
Japan - 1.3k
US - 1k
Denmark - 600 cases

Can't find UK here.

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jm1980

G.O.A.T.
Based on the statistics to which I have access (publicly available), top 10 countries are:
China - 80k
Italy - 12k
Iran - 9k
South Korea - less than 8k
France - 2.2k
Spain - 2.1k
Germany - 1.5k
Japan - 1.3k
US - 1k
Denmark - 600 cases

Can't find UK here.

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The UK has 590 cases:

 

D-Lite

Professional
Based on the statistics to which I have access (publicly available), top 10 countries are:
China - 80k
Italy - 12k
Iran - 9k
South Korea - less than 8k
France - 2.2k
Spain - 2.1k
Germany - 1.5k
Japan - 1.3k
US - 1k
Denmark - 600 cases

Can't find UK here.

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What I'm trying to say is they've banned flights from places like Poland and Greece when we in the UK have far more confirmed cases.
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
What I'm trying to say is they've banned flights from places like Poland and Greece when we in the UK have far more confirmed cases.
They banned flights from Schengen area, which makes sense.
Getting from Berlin to Poland is very easy. Few km driving.
People that got stucked in Italian airports take cars / buses and drive to nearby country airports.
Those who were flying a bit earlier, were taking connected flights, to avoid quarantine, that's how the virus got in various countries in Eastern Europe.
Now imagine that you are an US official and you have to draft a policy asap.

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D-Lite

Professional
They banned flights from Schengen area, which makes sense.
Getting from Berlin to Poland is very easy. Few km driving.
People that got stucked in Italian airports take cars / buses and drive to nearby country airports.
Those who were flying a bit earlier, were taking connected flights, to avoid quarantine, that's how the virus got in various countries in Eastern Europe.
Now imagine that you are an US official and you have to draft a policy asap.

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You can get from Belgium, Netherlands, Germany and France to the UK in a matter of hours by train, too. In a few days/1 week, we may see just how far this virus has spread, and banning flights may have very little impact in slowing the spread of the virus. In hindsight it will certainly be interesting to see who has implemented the best system for testing and quarantining citizens, and keeping the virus at bay in general. I've seen a lot of praise for the S Koreans on these fronts but we are still early days when it comes to this virus spreading.
 

zvelf

Professional
Thankfully in the case of Rudy Gobert he was not at the stadium for the match so he was no chance of taking the court before this most recent cancellation.

But he has potentially done a lot of damage with his antics, which included taunting reporters and rubbing his hands on their microphones and recording equipment when he wasn't taking this seriously. His ignorance and buffoonery has put many additional people at risk.
It would be even more ironic if Gobert got the coronavirus from touching all those microphones that people were speaking into. Yeah, what a buffoon.
 

ledwix

Hall of Fame
Obviously the per capita rate is far higher in the Schengen zone than in the UK. I mean, the sheer level of mathematical misunderstanding that people will stoop to in order to take the moral high ground over you know who...is adorable.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Based on the statistics to which I have access (publicly available), top 10 countries are:
China - 80k
Italy - 12k
Iran - 9k
South Korea - less than 8k
France - 2.2k
Spain - 2.1k
Germany - 1.5k
Japan - 1.3k
US - 1k
Denmark - 600 cases

Can't find UK here.

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In five days the confirmed cases has more than doubled from 200 to nearly 500. Eight are dead.
 
Little over 3000 deaths from 80000 infections... And even if the numbers were off by an order of magnitude, it would still be a drop in the bucket for China
I'm glad I read your previous post in this back and forth regarding how well China are containing the virus, because in isolation this came across as disturbingly callous!
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
Obviously the per capita rate is far higher in the Schengen zone than in the UK. I mean, the sheer level of mathematical misunderstanding that people will stoop to in order to take the moral high ground over you know who...is adorable.
Cases per 1M population:

UK: 8.7
Schengen area: 60.7
Schengen area, excluding Italy: 36.1
Italy: 206.1

But in a week, the UK will look like the rest of Europe now...
Italy only had a handful of cases from repatriated citizens and Chinese tourists, until it exploded three weeks ago
 

dr325i

Legend
Probably true in the Stable Genius's mind, leader of United Stupidity. The Orange Clown has been hanging around with people who have the virus. As far as we know, he has not yet been tested.

You can't even buy hand sanitizer now - it's all gone from stores. Get tested? Maybe in Australia, where Tom Hanks and his wife got tested. As of Monday only 4,384 people got tested in the US.

Let's go with 300 million people in the US:

4384/300 000 000=1.4613333E-5

In other words: .00146%

Do the math. We have NO idea how many people have the virus, but it's doubling about every week, if not faster.
WIth his luck (and unfortunately for the rest of us), the virus won't touch Orangutans...
 

dr325i

Legend
I still do not understand the proponents of "keep the schools" going because kids handle this much easier...
First, the spring break is over tomorrow for our local schools and a lot of families traveled (by planes, trains...) as previously arranged. Those kids will come back into the environment (and there is no social distancing with the 8 year olds…)
Then, what do I do with my kids when they come home??? Cage them and isolate from my older Asthmatic daughter? From my wife's 78-year old parents?

Don't think Trump and Blazio and others have thought this through...beyond "the kids will handle this better than adults"...
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I still do not understand the proponents of "keep the schools" going because kids handle this much easier...
First, the spring break is over tomorrow for our local schools and a lot of families traveled (by planes, trains...) as previously arranged. Those kids will come back into the environment (and there is no social distancing with the 8 year olds…)
Then, what do I do with my kids when they come home??? Cage them and isolate from my older Asthmatic daughter? From my wife's 78-year old parents?

Don't think Trump and Blazio and others have thought this through...beyond "the kids will handle this better than adults"...
NO ONE has thought this all through. In a year we'll have how many people died from Covid 19 in each country, then we can compare it with the regular flu. Also, when that year is done we can compare peak mortality by month with peak mortality of the flu. Until we have those figures we're all just navigating between overreaction and under-preparation.
 

dr325i

Legend
NO ONE has thought this all through. In a year we'll have how many people died from Covid 19 in each country, then we can compare it with the regular flu. Also, when that year is done we can compare peak mortality by month with peak mortality of the flu. Until we have those figures we're all just navigating between overreaction and under-preparation.
Totally agreed... Was just scary that until 3 days ago, our Orange Genius was denying it and blaming it on Fake News and Dems for trying to ruin his "awesome economy"
Then, the same day, he came lying to us all about availability of tests, the claim that was denied and corrected by his VP 45 minutes later -- we do not have enough tests...
Pence is removed from the function, and trusted liar (son in law) put in charge
Even last night's speech, very obvious that Orangutan did not write a line of it, had to go in the "greatest" and "super economy" comments instead of assuring us we have a logical plan. Closing Europe, then clarifying it is not really closed, but leaving the UK open because they followed the orders to BREXIT, did not make me more comfortable that the Government has a plan...
Also, Dow down 8000 points in two weeks is not making me comfortable.
Yet, purposely went to FOX day before yesterday, when the market was up, just to listen to that freak Hannity and a woman after (don't know her name) and at one point she said - "it is recovered, economy back to normal, as strong as it was few weeks ago..." (DOW's down 3600 points since then.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Why an exemption for the UK? Does Trump think the UK version of Covid-19 is less harmful to Americans?
It was the Schengen area which the USA banned. Hence the UK and Ireland are excluded.

Of course the point still stands that it was an absurd decision. But the reporting is poor, talking about “Europe” and “the UK”.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Perhaps you want to make yourself clear.
Not sure what are you asking
I am saying that your statement is untrue.

The truth is several or perhaps many countries already introduced similar travel bans.
First on travelling to / from China. Then South Corea and Iran were added.
Then Italy was added.
Nowadays most flights to Italy ard canceled within EU, and there are various types of restrictions from restricting air travel to complete ban for people coming from affected areas.

So US is not the pioneer in this domain.
Whether UK decision being political or based on real facts.

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In this case US is a pioneer in banning on political grounds instead on medical (as is the case with the rest of the bans) which is why UK is not included in the ban.

 

Bumbaliceps

Rookie
French government just decided to take the situation seriously and closed schools. Until now there has been a maximum of 1000 tests per day, in order to have low results and avoid the panic.
 

Tenacity

Professional
My company issued notice that people don't come into work, and that all tasks that are possible should and will be done from home.
Its getting wild out there.
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
There are no significant shortages of anything in Germany, so that a statement like "the shelves are empty" could be even remotely true.



I am just reacting to the statement that "other countries do the same" with the clarification that it is not "the same".

Dude, I'm getting photos with empty shelves from my friends who live there, while you claim "no shortages "
Do you have any facts or your only fact is access to a keyboard Mr. "Know it all"

Go try to buy some pasta, rice, or many other products that can be stored for a long period in a German supermarket.
I have photos of empty shelves in Berlin and the regions bordering with Switzerland.
What do you have beyond access to internet?

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Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Dude, I'm getting photos with empty shelves from my friends who live there, while you claim "no shortages "
Do you have any facts or your only fact is access to a keyboard Mr. "Know it all"

Go try to buy some pasta, rice, or many other products that can be stored for a long period in a German supermarket.
I have photos of empty shelves in Berlin and the regions bordering with Switzerland.
What do you have beyond access to internet?

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Dude, one of my sisters lives there (München) and I have been there just a couple of days ago. There are absolutely no considerable shortages of anything, regardless of how many pictures you get from the occasional local shop that got trashed by a paranoid family or two. My sister tells me that apart from the occasional empty shelf of TP (what is up with that?) that is restocked immediately, and the frenzy around the anti-bacterial soaps (because of the recommendation to wash your hands thoroughly and more often with disinfectants if possible) everything goes as usual. Personally I haven't noticed anything unusual either while there. Your sentence "the shelves are empty" implies something completely different, if you haven't realised that by now. You don't know Germany, if you write sentences like that with that meaning: in a country inhabited by 80 plus million people, even mildly worrying news can cause a very limited spike in the consumer behaviour, which is normalised with the next delivery (which, in that country is not impeded at all for the time being).
 

blablavla

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Dude, one of my sisters lives there (München) and I have been there just a couple of days ago. There are absolutely no considerable shortages of anything, regardless of how many pictures you get from the occasional local shop that got trashed by a paranoid family or two. My sister tells me that apart from the occasional empty shelf of TP (what is up with that?) that is restocked immediately, and the frenzy around the anti-bacterial soaps (because of the recommendation to wash your hands thoroughly and more often with disinfectants if possible) everything goes as usual. Personally I haven't noticed anything unusual either while there. Your sentence "the shelves are empty" implies something completely different, if you haven't realised that by now. You don't know Germany, if you write sentences like that with that meaning: in a country inhabited by 80 plus million people, even mildly worrying news can cause a very limited spike in the consumer behaviour, which is normalised with the next delivery (which, in that country is not impeded at all for the time being).
Dude, if you know Germany, perhaps you know what Kaufland is.
Now imagine empty shelves there.

You probably know what DM is.
Should I send you some photos from there?


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airchallenge2

Professional
NO ONE has thought this all through. In a year we'll have how many people died from Covid 19 in each country, then we can compare it with the regular flu. Also, when that year is done we can compare peak mortality by month with peak mortality of the flu. Until we have those figures we're all just navigating between overreaction and under-preparation.
This is very disappointing, so disappointing. The west had 6 weeks a head start to prepare for this. And they chose to do nothing. Now, Europe will follow Italy in one week and then States will do the same in 2 weeks. It has nothing to do with fear: when there is a big earthquake in the ocean, a tsunami is to be expected.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Dude, if you know Germany, perhaps you know what Kaufland is.
Now imagine empty shelves there.

You probably know what DM is.
Should I send you some photos from there?


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Kaufland in Germany is not even your "local shop". In comparison with a "local shop" like Lidl, they have 660 vs 3200 branches in Germany. Mostly they are localised within either a regional territory or in a no man's land, which makes them a Grosshändler (i.e. a shop that sells a lot in bulk), which might be the reason why you would observe such a phenomenon. Since you posted the picture, do you know what the red squares are? It is usually information for reduced prices, so is it really a surprise that people overstocked when something was on offer with commodities that are right now considered to be "vital for the survival" because they have long expiration periods?

I know what a DM is. If you want next time I go to Germany I will snap a picture or several from there to illustrate my point. Which commodities are you interested in?

 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
Kaufland in Germany is not even your "local shop". In comparison with a "local shop" like Lidl, they have 660 vs 3200 branches in Germany. Mostly they are localised within either a regional territory or in a no man's land, which makes them a Grosshändler (i.e. a shop that sells a lot in bulk), which might be the reason why you would observe such a phenomenon. Since you posted the picture, do you know what the red squares are? It is usually information for reduced prices, so is it really a surprise that people overstocked when something was on offer with commodities that are right now considered to be "vital for the survival" because they have long expiration periods?

I know what a DM is. If you want next time I go to Germany I will snap a picture or several from there to illustrate my point. Which commodities are you interested in?

I guess you know that Kaufland and Lidl is the same company, just a different format of store.
What is the chance that they share logistic capabilities?

Ok, the previous photo was "excused" by discounts.
What's your explanation for this one?

P.S.
According to my friends the shortages get worse during the last 2 weeks.
I guess Kaufland and DM supply their point of sales more often than once / 2 weeks


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blablavla

Hall of Fame
Kaufland in Germany is not even your "local shop". In comparison with a "local shop" like Lidl, they have 660 vs 3200 branches in Germany.
Mostly they are localised within either a regional territory or in a no man's land, which makes them a Grosshändler (i.e. a shop that sells a lot in bulk), which might be the reason why you would observe such a phenomenon.
Dear Mr. "Know it all", here is a photo of where Kaufland stores are in Berlin.
You can easily check it in google.

Is this "no man's land"?
Or what do you mean "regional territory "?

I know EU retail landscape much better than you could imagine.
German retail landscape in particular.

Kaufland isn't a grosshandler.
It's a discount hypermarket.
I can explain to you what this means from various points of view, if you need this.

By the way, please check Kaufland market share / turnover.
And usually their shelves have everything, meaning Out Of Stock situation there is NOT business as usual, as opposed to Lidl or Aldi shelves in the evening.
So, having massive out of stock situations in various product categories, in various parts of the country is a signal of a big issue.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Dear Mr. "Know it all", here is a photo of where Kaufland stores are in Berlin.
You can easily check it in google.

Is this "no man's land"?
Or what do you mean "regional territory "?

I know EU retail landscape much better than you could imagine.
German retail landscape in particular.

Kaufland isn't a grosshandler.
It's a discount hypermarket.
I can explain to you what this means from various points of view, if you need this.

By the way, please check Kaufland market share / turnover.
And usually their shelves have everything, meaning Out Of Stock situation there is NOT business as usual, as opposed to Lidl or Aldi shelves in the evening.
So, having massive out of stock situations in various product categories, in various parts of the country is a signal of a big issue.
20 branches in a 4 million city. That really is the definition of a saturation on a local scale. "Regional territory" is when a trade is located in between concentration of villages, as is the case with the rural and suburban landscape in Germany.

The difference between Grosshändler and Hypermarket is non existent as far the problem we are discussing is concerned. When the people can and do buy in bulk, because they don't/can't go there on a regular basis it is de facto a Grosshändler. You can buy in exactly the same way in Metro, even though Metro is supplying local businesses. The difference is that in Metro you need a card registered on a business.

What about Kaufland's market share? Do tell.

I asked you which are the the out of stock categories, but you refuse to enlighten me. Please, tell me which are the products that are unavailable in the German supermarkets. BTW, do you have successive pictures of the same supermarket, so that we can confirm that this situation is not a result of the said spike I already talked about and how the supply chain deals with this problem?

:cool:
 
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vive le beau jeu !

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so the man with the orange wig goes from making fun of the disease to the other extreme, taking a unilateral decision to ban all flights from europe (but not from UK!!!) :-D ... within a few days ? :rolleyes:
that guy, really... he's even more unpredictable than the pandemics! :oops:

quel bordel, sérieux...
 
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blablavla

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I asked you which are the the out of stock categories, but you refuse to enlighten me. Please, tell me which are the products that are unavailable in the German supermarkets.
1. I already told you, pretty much any food item, and many groceries that can easily be stored for extended periods of time.
E.g. pasta, rice but of course not limited

2. You said that I am wrong and problem doesn't exist in Germany.
So why don't you present facts here instead of some lousy generalizations that don't reflect the reality in the days when WHO declared pandemic situation



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Tennis_Hands

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1. I already told you, pretty much any food item, and many groceries that can easily be stored for extended periods of time.
E.g. pasta, rice but of course not limited

2. You said that I am wrong and problem doesn't exist in Germany.
So why don't you present facts here instead of some lousy generalizations that don't reflect the reality in the days when WHO declared pandemic situation



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1. So, that is your claim: that "any food item, and many groceries that can easily be stored for extended periods of time" are missing from the German supermarkets? Am I understanding this correctly? (it is important to answer that with "yes" or "no", since if I am going to engage someone to do a reality check for you, I need to know that he is not wasting his time).

2. I said that your statement "shelves are empty" doesn't reflect the availability of any and all (with very few exceptions that I already noted) products in the German supermarkets, and very limited spikes in availability in certain locations are not indicative of any serious shortage. That is what I say, and you have been dancing around the issue ever since, reconfirming the initial impression that you want to imply a picture of severe absences by stating the above in point 1 that I am currently asking about.

Please, keep your responses short, as that discussion is already a serious off-topic and probably also not very interesting for most of the people in this thread/forum.

 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
1. So, that is your claim: that "any food item, and many groceries that can easily be stored for extended periods of time" are missing from the German supermarkets? Am I understanding this correctly? (it is important to answer that with "yes" or "no", since if I am going to engage someone to do a reality check for you, I need to know that he is not wasting his time).

2. I said that your statement "shelves are empty" doesn't reflect the availability of any and all (with very few exceptions that I already noted) products in the German supermarkets, and very limited spikes in availability in certain locations are not indicative of any serious shortage. That is what I say, and you have been dancing around the issue ever since, reconfirming the initial impression that you want to imply a picture of severe absences by stating the above in point 1 that I am currently asking about.

Please, keep your responses short, as that discussion is already a serious off-topic and probably also not very interesting for most of the people in this thread/forum.

come on... please admit that the situation is serious in germany:


(this morning, in bavaria)
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
1. So, that is your claim: that "any food item, and many groceries that can easily be stored for extended periods of time" are missing from the German supermarkets? Am I understanding this correctly? (it is important to answer that with "yes" or "no", since if I am going to engage someone to do a reality check for you, I need to know that he is not wasting his time).

2. I said that your statement "shelves are empty" doesn't reflect the availability of any and all (with very few exceptions that I already noted) products in the German supermarkets, and very limited spikes in availability in certain locations are not indicative of any serious shortage. That is what I say, and you have been dancing around the issue ever since, reconfirming the initial impression that you want to imply a picture of severe absences by stating the above in point 1 that I am currently asking about.

Please, keep your responses short, as that discussion is already a serious off-topic and probably also not very interesting for most of the people in this thread/forum.

I trust my friends that live in various parts of Germany and the photos I get from them.
If you have proofs that there are no shortages, bring them on.

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Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
I trust my friends that live in various parts of Germany and the photos I get from them.
If you have proofs that there are no shortages, bring them on.

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You didn't answer my questions, so I will leave you do that, if I am to engage people on site to deal with your statements.

 

dr325i

Legend
My company issued notice that people don't come into work, and that all tasks that are possible should and will be done from home.
Its getting wild out there.
Can't find any tennis courts available lately. All these slackers "working" from home. Damn you Corona
 
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