2 things to consider. Would Feds weak backhand be able to hold its own with Nadals forehand? How would Nadal be able to defend against Fed blasting Forehands on a faast surface like the US open when it was green?
It depends how you define their best?. How do you know Fed was at his best in 2008-2009?Im a Nadal fan all the way, and I believe the H2H in their career is exactly how their rivalry was. Nadal beat Fed on every surface at their best.
BUT I think Fed at the open would JUST come out on top.
I do think it would obviously be a very close match, probably going the distance.
What green court? Can we use 2002 green court![]()
I know, but 2002 green court was faster than 2003-2004Until 2005, USO was played on green courts.
I know, but 2002 green court was faster than 2003-2004
Well this would be very close.Federer by a hair
Waiting for somebody to bring up Miami 2004 and pretend that somehow it was on the same planet as USO F.
Waiting for someone to bring up their AO matches as some sort of proof the USO would go the same.Well this would be very close.Federer by a hair
Waiting for somebody to bring up Miami 2004 and pretend that somehow it was on the same planet as USO F.
And the 2004 court was faster than the 2010 and and the 2010 one was faster than the ones that came afterwards.I know, but 2002 green court was faster than 2003-2004
Wow people way overrate Nadal of 2010. He lost to tons of nobodies that year. Even at USO he basically faced no one except Djoker 1.0. Fed of 2004 would destroy 2010 Nadal at USO, losing one tight set at most.
Federer made himself look invincible in that final after the two bagels and a fearhand festival, but he wasn’t that good on his BH that day, made a lot of errors from that wing and Nadal would take advanatage of that.
That’s why I think 2006 Masters Cup version Federer in the final against Blake was better, more complete. Really strong off both wings.
Exactly.I think it’d be a really good match. Hard for anyone to say it’d be an easy win for either.
With that speed and FH, Nadal would need to do a lot more than just pepper the BH on that faster court.Federer made himself look invincible in that final after the two bagels and a fearhand festival, but he wasn’t that good on his BH that day, made a lot of errors from that wing and Nadal would take advanatage of that.
That’s why I think 2006 Masters Cup version Federer in the final against Blake was better, more complete. Really strong off both wings.
With that speed and FH, Nadal would need to do a lot more than just pepper the BH on that faster court.
Yes and that is why I think it will be close.However, Federer isn't going give Nadal a lot of chances to go to his backhand.Even neutral balls were getting pummeled for winners if they had the misfortune of going Federer Forehand.
But it will be quite a match, a young fearless and much more flamboyant and explosive Fed against Nadal at his best.
Federer made himself look invincible in that final after the two bagels and a fearhand festival, but he wasn’t that good on his BH that day, made a lot of errors from that wing and Nadal would take advanatage of that.
That’s why I think 2006 Masters Cup version Federer in the final against Blake was better, more complete. Really strong off both wings.
If both are at their best, Nadal does not beat Fed on Grass or Indoors. Slow hardcourts and higher bouncing surfaces yes, I give you that but not indoor, grass, or fast hard courts.Im a Nadal fan all the way, and I believe the H2H in their career is exactly how their rivalry was. Nadal beat Fed on every surface at their best.
BUT I think Fed at the open would JUST come out on top.
I do think it would obviously be a very close match, probably going the distance.
2010 US open Nadal is much better than 2013. He didnt have that killer serve in 2013 and in 2010 he moved a little bit quicker.Federer in 4 sets at most
Now, if we talk 2013 US Open Nadal, maybe a tight match going to any of both
Nope, fed wasn't as great off the FH wing in that YEC 06 final as you are making it out to be. Quite a few UEs.
And certainly nowhere near the monster of the fearhand in the 04 USO final.
Feds 04 backhand was quite weak for dealing with heavy topspin. It really struggled against baby Rafa in Miami even though Fed wasnt 100 percent in that match. I think 2010 Nadal wins unless its on the faster green courts. Remember Fed used to struggle with Nadals return and 2010 US open Nadal had a killer serve. 2006 Federer would do better because the backhand was a lot more stable for dealing with heavy spin shots.
2010 US open Nadal is much better than 2013. He didnt have that killer serve in 2013 and in 2010 he moved a little bit quicker.
Nadal stole that 2013 US open. Djokovic couldnt take his chances when he was firmly in control of the match. Then proceeded to choke away.
Yeah on clay. Fed murdered Nadal at YEC in 06-07 (same surface as the USO those years)Fed wasn’t able to run around every BH against Nadal not even during his peak years. In 05-06, Nadal was murdering his backhand, mostly on clay where you have more time to run around your weaker side.
Rafa in 4 sets.
2010 is arguably peak Nadal on hard courts. As if the lefty-righty fh to bh match-up problem wasn't evident enough for 04-13 Roger, Rafa was also winning a lot more free points on serve that tournament. I don't see how Roger gets out alive.
I'm sorry, I'm as much a Roger fan as anyone else. But peak for peak and all things being equal, Nadal is going to beat Federer more often than not on a neutral surface. It's simply a bad match up.
This is mostly a clay issue. On clay Nadal likes to stand as far behind the baseline as he can and grind. Federer prefers to be closer to the baseline and dictate the points more. So since Nadal is the one standing even farther behind the baseline, he has more time than Fed to run around and hit forehands.Fed wasn’t able to run around every BH against Nadal not even during his peak years. In 05-06, Nadal was murdering his backhand, mostly on clay where you have more time to run around your weaker side.
Federer had less FH unforced errors in 06 MC F than BH UEs in 04 USO F (12/16) and more winners (5/2). And just like his fearhand in the match against Hewitt was the best version of that stroke ever, the same can be said about his backhand in MC F 06, 23/20 on winners. And that side would naturally get more attacked by Nadal so a better backhand seems like an advantage IMO.
2010 RAFA only won two HC titles and Tokyo was the other one, lol.Rafa in 4 sets.
2010 is arguably peak Nadal on hard courts. As if the lefty-righty fh to bh match-up problem wasn't evident enough for 04-13 Roger, Rafa was also winning a lot more free points on serve that tournament. I don't see how Roger gets out alive.
I'm sorry, I'm as much a Roger fan as anyone else. But peak for peak and all things being equal, Nadal is going to beat Federer more often than not on a neutral surface. It's simply a bad match up.
2006 Fed was even better too. Scary good.the fearhand is always going to be a significantly better weapon/asset than the best version of the BH, even vs Rafa.
oh and most of those BH UEs came in the 2nd set. The 1st and 3rd sets, he had 6 UEs combined overall. Fed's BH was fine in those sets.
Some of those tennisabstract stats are slightly off.
Official stats have Fed with 40 W to 26 UEs in that USO 2004 final.