USO 2010 Men's Draw

MichaelChang

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Rafael Nadal (ESP x1) v Teymuraz Gabashvili (RUS)
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v Denis Istomin (UZB)
Gilles Simon (FRA) v Donald Young (USA)
Tobias Kamke (GER) v Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER x29)
Feliciano Lopez (ESP x23) v Santiago Giraldo (COL)
Rainer Schuettler (GER) v Qualifier
Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) v Peter Luczak (AUS)
Qualifier v Ivan Ljubicic (CRO x15)
David Ferrer (ESP x10) v Alexandr Dolgopolov (UKR)
Benjamin Becker (GER) v Daniel Brands (GER)
Jarkko Nieminen (FIN) v Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP)
Jeremy Chardy (FRA) v Ernests Gulbis (LAT x24)
David Nalbandian (ARG x31) v Qualifier
Florent Serra (FRA) v Florian Mayer (GER)
Pere Riba (ESP) v Qualifier
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP x8)

Andy Murray (GBR x4) v Lukas Lacko (SVK)
Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo (ESP) v Dustin Brown (JAM)
Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) v Lu Yen-Hsun (TPE)
Mikhail Kukushkin (KAZ) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI x25)
Sam Querrey (USA x20) v Bradley Klahn (USA)
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Andreas Seppi (ITA)
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v Lukasz Kubot (POL)
Potito Starace (ITA) v Nicolas Almagro (ESP x14)
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS x12) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ)
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Xavier Malisse (BEL)
Jack Sock (USA) v Marco Chiudinelli (SUI)
Frederico Gil (POR) v John Isner (USA x18)
Radek Stepanek (CZE x28) v Julien Benneteau (FRA)
Tommy Robredo (ESP) v Qualifier
Victor Hanescu (ROM) v Carlos Berlocq (ARG)
Michael Llodra (FRA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE x7)

Nikolay Davydenko (RUS x6) v Michael Russell (USA)
Simon Greul (GER) v Richard Gasquet (FRA)
Kevin Anderson (RSA) v Somdev Devvarman (IND)
Tim Smyczek (USA) v Thomaz Bellucci (BRA x26)
Gael Monfils (FRA x17) v Qualifier
Igor Andreev (RUS) v Horacio Zeballos (ARG)
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Olivier Rochus (BEL)
Stephane Robert (FRA) v Andy Roddick (USA x9)
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP x16) v Arnaud Clement (FRA)
Eduardo Schwank (ARG) v Robby Ginepri (USA)
Pablo Cuevas (URU) v Qualifier
Jan Hajek (CZE) v Mardy Fish (USA x19)
Juan Monaco (ARG x30) v Qualifier
Kristof Vliegen (BEL) v James Blake (USA)
Philipp Petzschner (GER) v Qualifier
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v Novak Djokovic (SRB x3)

Robin Soderling (SWE x5) v Qualifier
Taylor Dent (USA) v Alejandro Falla (COL)
Thiemo de Bakker (NED) v Qualifier
Qualifier v Fernando Gonzalez (CHI x27)
Albert Montanes (ESP x21) v Michal Przysiezny (POL)
Carsten Ball (AUS) v Qualifier
Qualifier v Evgeny Korolev (KAZ)
Illya Marchenko (UKR) v Marin Cilic (CRO x11)
Jurgen Melzer (AUT x13) v Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)
Qualifier v Ryan Sweeting (USA)
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Ricardo Mello (BRA)
Qualifier v Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP x22)
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS x32) v Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)
Leonardo Mayer (ARG) v Guillaume Rufin (FRA)
Michael Berrer (GER) v Andreas Beck (GER)
Brian Dabul (ARG) v Roger Federer (SUI x2)
 
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jackson vile

jackson vile

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Rippy said:
Erm, you said "Congrats to Roger winning the USO, way to draw!"

I interpreted "way to draw!", as "that's an easy draw for him".
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Do you deny that Roger has the draw that he would most desire to ensure victory (that's realistic)?

Explain to me who is going to beat Roger in his draw.
 
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jackson vile said:
Do you deny that Roger has the draw that he would most desire to ensure victory (that's realistic)?

Explain to me who is going to beat Roger in his draw.
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Soderling has a decent chance. He'll be pleased Murray isn't in his half, but the draw is by no means good enough to guarantee he'll win.
 
jackson vile

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Rippy said:
Soderling has a decent chance. He'll be pleased Murray isn't in his half, but the draw is by no means good enough to guarantee he'll win.
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Explain to me who is going to beat Roger in his draw, realisticly. Maybe some stats ie H2H, titles, and results at the USO or even hardcourts in general.

Start with Soderling.
 
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jackson vile said:
Explain to me who is going to beat Roger in his draw, realisticly. Maybe some stats ie H2H, titles, and results at the USO or even hardcourts in general.

Start with Soderling.
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Sort of close match there last year. Fed played well at the start, but Sod improved as the match went on.

You can do this for any of the top guys, and you'll find it hard to prove someone is going to beat them. Just because they are the favourite in the matchups doesn't mean they can't be close, and can obviously go either way.
 
jackson vile

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samjones said:
Maybe one of the 14 Qualifiers that they stuck in his quarter?
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Maybe some stats ie H2H, titles, and results at the USO or even hardcourts in general.

Are they going to win by freak accident, or do they have substance to actually back that claim up. If so I would like to see what you claim as "substance".
 
MichaelChang

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Come on man, we all know Federer is not the same old Federer. If he has a bad day, there are quite a few big hitters that could take him out.
 
jackson vile

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Rippy said:
Sort of close match there last year. Fed played well at the start, but Sod improved as the match went on.

You can do this for any of the top guys, and you'll find it hard to prove someone is going to beat them. Just because they are the favourite in the matchups doesn't mean they can't be close, and can obviously go either way.
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And what stats does Soderling have on hardcourts in general? You are not saying all he has is; "one time he came kinda close" are you?
 
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jackson vile said:
And what stats does Soderling have on hardcourts in general? You are not saying all he has is; "one time he came kinda close" are you?
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To be perfectly honest, I can't be bothered checking stats, and anyway, we know Federer would dominate the stats anyway.

I'm not saying Sod is the favourite against Fed, I'm saying he isn't an easy opponent. He is one of only 2 people to beat Federer before the semi-finals of a slam in the last 6 years.

All the top guys are going to have favourable records against the majority of people in the draw, that's why they're top guys, isn't it? :)
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

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Nadal may not even get out of the 1st round against Gabashvili. If he does, Nalbandian will take care of him in the QF. But that's only if he gets by Kohlschreiber/Simon in the 3rd round and Ljubicic in the 4th round. :)
 
MichaelChang

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jackson vile said:
Who? And back that up with some numbers of some sort, some kinda of substance.
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If you still using the numbers that covers from 2003 to 2009, then you are not facing the fact: it is 2010 and Federer is not the same old Federer. For example at FO you could say based on the numbers Soderline will lose to Fed, but look what happen at the end?
 
jackson vile

jackson vile

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Rippy said:
To be perfectly honest, I can't be bothered checking stats, and anyway, we know Federer would dominate the stats anyway.

I'm not saying Sod is the favourite against Fed, I'm saying he isn't an easy opponent. He is one of only 2 people to beat Federer before the semi-finals of a slam in the last 6 years.

All the top guys are going to have favourable records against the majority of people in the draw, that's why they're top guys, isn't it? :)
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What I am saying is that Soderling plain sucks at hard courts, period.

I am not talking about comparing against Roger. I am saying that in order to have a chance you need to at least be good on hard courts ie some type of titles or other hard court records, don't you think that makes sense?
 
jackson vile

jackson vile

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MichaelChang said:
If you still using the numbers that covers from 2003 to 2009, then you are not facing the fact: it is 2010 and Federer is not the same old Federer. For example at FO you could say based on the numbers Soderline will lose to Fed, but look what happen at the end?
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I am not talking about comparing against Roger. I am saying that in order to have a chance you need to at least be good on hard courts ie some type of titles or other hard court records, don't you think that makes sense?

Also Soderling beat Nadal at the FO the previous year, see that is "substance"
 
Legend of Borg

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jackson vile said:
Who? And back that up with some numbers of some sort, some kinda of substance.
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What record did Del Potro have against him before the final last year? 6-0 and a double bagel at AO is pretty sad reading yet he took him out in five. Similar story with the Soderling upset over Nadal at RG. 6-1 6-0 in Madrid. H2H may be an indicator for a match but they don't tell the whole story and you can't just predict result based on them.
 
jackson vile

jackson vile

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Legend of Borg said:
What record did Del Potro have against him before the final last year? 6-0 and a double bagel at AO is pretty sad reading yet he took him out in five. Similar story with the Soderling upset over Nadal at RG. 6-1 6-0 in Madrid. H2H may be an indicator for a match but they don't tell the whole story and you can't just predict result based on them.
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I never said against Roger​

Delpo is/was a rising star that had amazing talent and especially on hard courts.

Soderling, how does he fair on any hard courts at all? Not even close to comparing Delpo who does insanely well on hard courts since he was a teenager.
 
djarvik

djarvik

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....ok, Its official. Gulbis is taking the title!













I meant Roger. :) That is a nice draw up until Sodaking.
 
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Arafel

Professional
Hewitt could possibly take out Federer. It's unlikely, but he did beat him on grass this year and Hewitt has won the US. He also took Fed to a third set on hard courts a year or two ago.
 
mandy01

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Arafel said:
Hewitt could possibly take out Federer. It's unlikely, but he did beat him on grass this year and Hewitt has won the US. He also took Fed to a third set on hard courts a year or two ago.
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He also took Fed to four at the USO last year.
 
Nadalfan89

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Despite the obviously rigged draw, I think Nadal will make it to the semis to go against Murray. SF will be the real finals imo because if Nadal beats Murray, then Federer has no chance against Nadal.
 
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Ugh...Nalbandian and Murray in his quarter and semi...knew it.
 
jackson vile

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Arafel said:
Hewitt could possibly take out Federer. It's unlikely, but he did beat him on grass this year and Hewitt has won the US. He also took Fed to a third set on hard courts a year or two ago.
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Ah, finally someone with a brain! Now this is substance, logic, something with actually basis of thought rather than just say the first thing to come to mind.

The only problem I see with Hewitt is that I have not heard much about him this year or preparing for the USO. Otherwise if Roger is truely in such a horendous decline, I believe that you could be very correct if Hewitt somehow has a resurgance of greatness.

Possible

Now let's entertain what is probable rather than possible.
 
egn

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I find it funny that Federer draws Soderling and we hear it is an easy draw for him when Nadal drew Verdasco.. Nadal might not even face a seed or Nalby in the QFs as all 4 guys who he have there are quite flakes at times. Not to mention outside of Nalbandian I doubt Nadal has anything to worry about. Gublis will self destruct, Verdasco will roll over like he has been or double fault on match point and Ferrer will not be getting lucky like he did in 2007. Djokovic once again gets the difficult one....He's got to face either Fish or Bags in the 4th round then most likely Roddick in the QF and Fed in the SF. I would say both Nadal and Fed have okay draws neither overly tough or neither overly easy. Oh and quit the crap about Fed lucking out for not having Murray in his draw sure he lost to him and Toronto but what happens when Murray meets Fed in a slam? Djokovic at the US Open actually took a set one year and has beaten him in a major. Besides Murray has to bet past Berdych who Nadal has no problem dismantling.
 
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Nadalfan89 said:
Despite the obviously rigged draw, I think Nadal will make it to the semis to go against Murray. SF will be the real finals imo because if Nadal beats Murray, then Federer has no chance against Nadal.
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I have no idea if you're being sarcastic or not.
 
OKUSA

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Now I know for sure Djokovic will not win

Davydenko can take out Federer in Semi's, then take out Murray in Finals

gogo Davydenko
 
jackson vile

jackson vile

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Nadalfan89 said:
Despite the obviously rigged draw, I think Nadal will make it to the semis to go against Murray. SF will be the real finals imo because if Nadal beats Murray, then Federer has no chance against Nadal.
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I just thought it was a shame that Birdman was in Nadal's draw. Should have given him a shot at Roger for the USO. Would have been an exciting match.
 
MichaelChang

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egn said:
Oh and quit the crap about Fed lucking out for not having Murray in his draw sure he lost to him and Toronto but what happens when Murray meets Fed in a slam?
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Fed lucking out because Murray will wipe out Nadal, then Federer can go wipe out Murray, just like US08 and AO10. If Fed has to face Nadal, regardless semi final or final, chance is Fed will lose.
 
Li Ching Yuen

Li Ching Yuen

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My take

First Quarter.

Nadal will have to play Gabashvilli and Istomim in the first 2 rounds. Perfect early opponents for him. Guys that do have weapons and a good serve so he'll be able to finetune his game early on. Good advantage. He'll pass these matches with not too many problems. In case he plays really bad, maybe he gives away one set.

Then he's up against Kohlschreiber or Simon. (Kohli still has some injury problems). Relatively easy as well. Kohl could give him a run for the money on a good day but it's rather possible that that's not going to happen. All in all, no threats whatsoever for him in the first 3 rounds.

The best part for him is the next round. He'll face a super-easy opponent: either Giraldo, Lopez or Ljubicic on the brink of retirement. I doubt Ivan can get to the 4th round. He should, but we all know that's he's not much of a player in slams. Be it whoever it may be, it's gonna be like a walk in the park.

Further down, we have something really interesting. Dologopolov will probably dispatch Ferrer, and will have to play Gulbis most probably in the third round. Gulbis is the favorite imo, and if he is fit and feeling ok he should take care of bussiness.

Nalbandian will win easily everything up to Gulbis I think, including a well deserved butchering of Verdasco. At this point in the tournament, in the 4th Round, many things will play a role in how the draw pans out. Depends who's fresher, Nalby and Gulbis. On a good day for both, I'd pick Nalby but in reality it's toss-up match and could very well go the distance.

Winner: Nadal will beat Nalbandian or Gulbis imo, even if it's going to be a hard one, he should pull through, he's much more fitter.

Second Quarter.

Andy Murray will steamroll through the earlier rounds. Make no mistake about it. In the 3rd Round he might be up against Wawrinka. It will be a beating. No problems for him.
Further down in the quarter things are quite balanced, there's Querrey in there, Almagro. Querrey should get through but he very much has shown signs of being the new Ljubicic of slams, so you never know. I'll take Almagro.
Needless to say, Murray will destroy him.

Next we have an interesting section with Berdych, Benneteau, Isner and Malisse(note: Malisse and Isner will play injured). The first round match is going to be a good test for the Czech. Llodra is never good in long matches so I don't think there's a too much a threat. He'll get through all of the opponents imo.

Winner: Murray should take this, but be sure that this will be one cracker of a match. Fantastic.

Third Quarter

Oh boy, this is such a mess.

Anyway, looks like things are interesting as well here. Davydenko should get through his first rounds easily. There is no way in hell he'll lose to a Gasquet camping 5 meters behind the baseline.
Then, things get tricky. He'll have to face Anderson, the kind of player that he hates. Big big server that pretty much plays first-strike tennis. But giving this is a best of 5 he should be able to get through this test.

Next we have Monfils who should clean his part of the draw up to Andy Roddick who will most likely be able to get passed Tipsarevic in case the Serb doesn't come up with the good stuff. Roddick should win against Monfils, giving that he is playing at home and that Monfils will not punish his paceless tennis like we all know him.

Next, Baghdatis - Fish. It doesn't matter who these guys have to play against in the early rounds, this match will happen. It's a toss-up I have to admit. I'll take Fish.
I'm kind of embarrassed to look at the next section of the draw. It's disgusting. Djoko will get through. God bless his seeding.

Davydenko - Roddick and Fish - Djoko, these will decide the quarter imo. It's absolutely interesting. I won't predict each one of these. I'll only say that Fish wins the quarter. The only thing that might get in his way is Super-Davy, or a Djokovic that goes back to actually playing tennis. The odds are slim.

Winner: Fish

Fourth Quarter

Soderling will steamroll in the first 2. Then he might be up against an unexpected 3rd rounder, possibly qualifier. He'll get through, no problems whatsoever.

The next section is a bit of a mess. Anyone can get through. Hard to believe that there's a Przyesny - Montanes in the first round of a grand slam considering some of the players that have to play qualies. But oh well, rankings are rankings. Cilic has such a kind draw, he's in terrible shape atm but there's basically no one that could take him out.

The next section is somewhat of the same. Very tricky, there's a Melzer and a Ferrero in there but these shouldn't pose any problems to the other seeds in here. Both being undertennis-ed and in bad shape.

Next, Mathieu could very well pass Hewitt but it's again one of those matches that are too close to call. I'll take Hewitt giving his experience.
Federer will dance with any of these players, and win of course. There's no doubt in my mind that the quarter will be Fed-Sod. And Federer will win.

Winner: Federer.

Semies:

Federer will beat Fish, not that easy though.
Murray will beat Rafa, in a easy-ish match.

Winner: Federer.

Congratulations, Roger.
 
jackson vile

jackson vile

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egn said:
I find it funny that Federer draws Soderling and we hear it is an easy draw for him when Nadal drew Verdasco.. Nadal might not even face a seed or Nalby in the QFs as all 4 guys who he have there are quite flakes at times. Not to mention outside of Nalbandian I doubt Nadal has anything to worry about. Gublis will self destruct, Verdasco will roll over like he has been or double fault on match point and Ferrer will not be getting lucky like he did in 2007. Djokovic once again gets the difficult one....He's got to face either Fish or Bags in the 4th round then most likely Roddick in the QF and Fed in the SF. I would say both Nadal and Fed have okay draws neither overly tough or neither overly easy. Oh and quit the crap about Fed lucking out for not having Murray in his draw sure he lost to him and Toronto but what happens when Murray meets Fed in a slam? Djokovic at the US Open actually took a set one year and has beaten him in a major. Besides Murray has to bet past Berdych who Nadal has no problem dismantling.
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True, Novak screwed again. Berdych is not the same player. Also on interesting note is that Murray may just have a serious injury. If this becomes the case I predict that ****s complain that the title was handed over to Nadal.
 
BreakPoint

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Nadalfan89 said:
Despite the obviously rigged draw, I think Nadal will make it to the semis to go against Murray. SF will be the real finals imo because if Nadal beats Murray, then Federer has no chance against Nadal.
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Yeah, the 5-time champion and 6-time finalist has no chance against the first time finalist? Where do you get this stuff? :roll:

Did you not see what Federer does to Nadal on fast hardcourts at the Master's Cups?
 
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BreakPoint said:
Yeah, the 5-time champion and 6-time finalist has no chance against the first time finalist? Where do you get this stuff? :roll:

Did you not see what Federer does to Nadal on fast hardcourts at the Master's Cups?
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Did you not see what Nadal did to Federer on fast hard courts of Miami and Dubai?

Get a grip man.
 
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