USO 2010 Men's Draw

Nadalfan89

Hall of Fame
What's wrong with Soderling, Davydenko, Roddick, and Hewitt? All of them have at least beaten Federer before, and at big events. I admit Federer got lucky with Djokovic, since he's basically a shell of the 07- early 08 model. He might've dodged a bullet with Berdych, but Berdych hasn't been playing good lately anyways.

Gulbis is a clown that gets in his own way, Murray has never tested Federer at a major, Nalbandian could beat Federer if he was on fire but it's still best of 5 so he would have to do that for over 2 hours to take out Federer.

I could say the same thing with Nadal that he dodged Davydenko and Roddick. 2 players that have beaten Nadal on hard courts this year

Nalbandian or Gulbis in R4? That's like Federer facing Murray in R4. It's doable, but still tough.
 

CMM

Legend
Winner: Federer.

Congratulations, Roger.

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Rippy

Hall of Fame
Magician said Federers draw was tough because of Soderling. 12-1 is not tough.

He beat him in the French this year. So that loss is very recent. You can't just assume because of victories in years past that the same thing will happen.

Fed's the favourite, but I expect a very tough match if they both get there.

And you've said Nadal's draw is tough.... how is having a winning H2H against everyone in his half, "tough"? Works both ways..
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
C'mon Murray!!!! This is your destiny. :)

Great draw all the way to the final for him.
 

feetofclay

Semi-Pro
Federer was sick as a dog with the flu and could barely walk out onto the court, "genius". :roll:

Talk about over exaggeration and excuse making. Seventeen year od Nadal outplayed him, even the commentators said it was difficult to tell which player was the number 1 in the world.
 

Nadalfan89

Hall of Fame
He beat him in the French this year. So that loss is very recent. You can't just assume because of victories in years past that the same thing will happen.

Fed's the favourite, but I expect a very tough match if they both get there.

And you've said Nadal's draw is tough.... how is having a winning H2H against everyone in his half, "tough"? Works both ways..

You don't think Nalbandian or Gulbis would pose a challenge to Nadal on hard courts?
 

abraxas21

Professional
He beat him in the French this year. So that loss is very recent. You can't just assume because of victories in years past that the same thing will happen.

Fed's the favourite, but I expect a very tough match if they both get there.

And you've said Nadal's draw is tough.... how is having a winning H2H against everyone in his half, "tough"? Works both ways..

yup and besides, most of their encounters were when federer was playing better and soderling wasn't in his best form.

fed is still the favourite today in any case but it's not as easy as it was back in the day.
 

samjones

Banned
I don't know why everyone is so convinced Nadal is going to win this year. He never made the final before, despite being a high seed every time. He lost 5 times to 5 different players -all of whom are still active and playing in this tournament. Maybe Ferrer will take him out again - LOL!

Granted - Rafa had a monstrously awful run on clay this spring and he followed it up with a Wimbledon title. Unbelievable.

Since then? Meh - pretty lame.
 

Rippy

Hall of Fame
You don't think Nalbandian or Gulbis would pose a challenge to Nadal on hard courts?

Nalbandian, maybe. Gulbis? No, he won't pull it together.

Still, I don't understand your reasoning.

Soderling isn't tough for Fed, because Fed wins the H2H.
And yet, you think Nadal's draw is tough even though he leads all the H2Hs.

:confused:
 

abraxas21

Professional
C'mon Murray!!!! This is your destiny. :)

Great draw all the way to the final for him.

yes, everyones talking about fedal but i think murray will go all the way here.

He can beat the top guys like Nadal and Federer on this surface. In point of fact, he can beat everyone.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Talk about over exaggeration and excuse making. Seventeen year od Nadal outplayed him, even the commentators said it was difficult to tell which player was the number 1 in the world.
Because it's hard to play like you're the #1 player when you should be in bed sweating out your flu.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

Guest
You keep thinking clay is comparable to hard court, and I'll keep being not ********.

Never said it was, but a win is a win, and imo Soderling is most dangerous on a fast HC, just hasnt showed it really. But since i know a lot more about Sod than you, i should know.
 

OKUSA

Hall of Fame
Nalbandian maybe, Gulbis no. How do you expect Nadal to take out Murray or Federer if he can't dispatch a player that has never got past the 4th round in a hard court major?

Nalbandian, I still don't think can produce 2+ hours of lights out tennis to beat Nadal, Murray, or Federer. If he's not hitting his shots he gets steam rolled, as evident by his last match againt Djokovic where he got breadsticked
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

Guest
yes, everyones talking about fedal but i think murray will go all the way here.

He can beat the top guys like Nadal and Federer on this surface. In point of fact, he can beat everyone.

I agree, as long as he beat Nadal i would even be fine with him winning the whole thing, i think he deserves it and he is capable of it.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
But that's been awhile. Even over two years that would be something. Even three years at the US in a row is pretty strange.

It just seems like Federer always gets the weaker players on his half. He's gotten Djokovic at the French like...once. And he's...never gotten Murray in a hard court major? It's just bizarre. Has Federer ever gotten Murray on grass in his half? I just don't see how that's really possible? I don't claim "conspiracy" but it's definitely "odd".

How many GS tournaments have they been on opposite sides of the draw?
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
yes, everyones talking about fedal but i think murray will go all the way here.

He can beat the top guys like Nadal and Federer on this surface. In point of fact, he can beat everyone.

I know. Last year was just incredible with the rise of Del Potro, when he destroyed Nadal, and blasted Federer off the court in the fifth set of the final.

Time for Murray to bring it to the dance. He can beat them all, and I know deep down he can beat Federer as well. I want these two in final, they are the best on this surface, and after the AO, they need another showdown!!!!
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Because it's hard to play like you're the #1 player when you should be in bed sweating out your flu.

Yes, I remember this. He was actually thinking about pulling out of Miami. He DID pull out of Monte Carlo because of his illness that year.
 
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decades

Guest
I don't know why everyone is so convinced Nadal is going to win this year. He never made the final before, despite being a high seed every time. He lost 5 times to 5 different players -all of whom are still active and playing in this tournament. Maybe Ferrer will take him out again - LOL!

Granted - Rafa had a monstrously awful run on clay this spring and he followed it up with a Wimbledon title. Unbelievable.

Since then? Meh - pretty lame.

murray owns the HC hth against rafa. that's the point. Sod offers no resistance to Fed on a fast hard court.
 

larlarbd

Banned
I do hope Roger can bag this one - that'd set up a great year for Nadal/Federer rivalry next year (2011) , but if Fed loses ( even with that cakewalk of a draw ) & Nadal wins - I wonder where Fed's fans will turn for excuses for their *champ* losing .... let's see we can rule out mono ( since that has been used too many times ) ... we can rule out injury ( always a fav for Fed fans nowadays - they forgot what sampras said about being a champion - if he was good enough to walk out on the court , he was good enough to compete .... ) ... we can't say Fed was outplayed ( although he was by DelPO but ohh , dear Sir , no no ... Fed can't be losing because he just got beaten by a better player , no Sir , that is not gonna happen in *******s books .. dear me ...it's always something like the air was too thin , hawkeye was wrong ( Shieeett , it's Killing Him !!! ) or umpire told Fed to shut-up so he was upset .... LOL:D ) ... Now I wonder what Fed fans will come up with as an excuse if Fed tanks in this one ( apparently his best surface now & best chance ever since Nadal is yet to blow him outta Flushing Meadows ... which will eventually happen I'm sure but maybe not with this draw... )
 
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decades

Guest
Never said it was, but a win is a win, and imo Soderling is most dangerous on a fast HC, just hasnt showed it really. But since i know a lot more about Sod than you, i should know.

if he hasn't "shown it yet" how could you consider him to be the most dangerous on a HC? He actually has trouble on outdoor HC, in fact losing to Roddick the last two times they have matched up. It's an awful match up for him against Fed. Relatively speaking, compared to other top 5 players, Sod doesn't move well, he doesn't defend well, and he doesn't attack at net well with either volley or overhead.
 

OKUSA

Hall of Fame
I do hope Roger can bag this one - that'd set up a great year for Nadal/Federer rivalry next year (2011) , but if Fed loses ( even with that cakewalk of a draw ) & Nadal wins - I wonder where Fed's fans will turn for excuses for their *champ* losing .... let's see we can rule out mono ( since that has been used too many times ) ... we can rule out injury ( always a fav for Fed fans nowadays - they forgot what sampras said about being a champion - if he was good enough to walk out on the court , he was good enough to compete .... ) ... we can't say Fed was outplayed ( although he was by DelPO but ohh , dear Sir , no no ... Fed can't be losing because he just got beaten by a better player , no Sir , that is not gonna happen in *******s books .. dear me ...it's always something like the air was too thin , hawkeye was wrong ( Shieeett , it's Killing Him !!! ) or umpire told Fed to shut-up so he was upset .... LOL:D ) ... Now I wonder what Fed fans will come up with as an excuse if Fed tanks in this one ( apparently his best surface now & best chance ever since Nadal is yet to blow him outta Flushing Meadows ... which will eventually happen I'm sure but maybe not with this draw... )

Probably he's 29 and his game has been slowly getting worse by the year, Federer of 04-07 would dismantle this field in straight sets.

'10 Federer is looking shaky at best
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Please, tell me what the H2H is between Federer and Soderpigeon?

in case you didn't see the match last year, Soderling was playing awesome against Fed. He elevated his game after the 1st set and almost push the match to 5th set. It wasn't an easy win for Fed, anything less from him the match would have been a 50/50 if heading into the 5th set.

In contrast, Verdasco IS Rafa's pigeon. He just find way to lose. It seem like he doesn't have the right to beat his countryman.
 

Rippy

Hall of Fame
I do hope Roger can bag this one - that'd set up a great year for Nadal/Federer rivalry next year (2011) , but if Fed loses ( even with that cakewalk of a draw ) & Nadal wins - I wonder where Fed's fans will turn for excuses for their *champ* losing .... let's see we can rule out mono ( since that has been used too many times ) ... we can rule out injury ( always a fav for Fed fans nowadays - they forgot what sampras said about being a champion - if he was good enough to walk out on the court , he was good enough to compete .... ) ... we can't say Fed was outplayed ( although he was by DelPO but ohh , dear Sir , no no ... Fed can't be losing because he just got beaten by a better player , no Sir , that is not gonna happen in *******s books .. dear me ...it's always something like the air was too thin , hawkeye was wrong ( Shieeett , it's Killing Him !!! ) or umpire told Fed to shut-up so he was upset .... LOL:D ) ... Now I wonder what Fed fans will come up with as an excuse if Fed tanks in this one ( apparently his best surface now & best chance ever since Nadal is yet to blow him outta Flushing Meadows ... which will eventually happen I'm sure but maybe not with this draw... )

I don't recall excuses after Federer's loss to del Potro last year. :confused:
 

OddJack

G.O.A.T.
Do you deny that Roger has the draw that he would most desire to ensure victory (that's realistic)?

Explain to me who is going to beat Roger in his draw.

Tell me who would make a tough draw for him?

he beat Murray 2 times in the final anyways, who else is in Nadal's side that would make it hard for Rodge?

Just make a hard draw for him out of Nadal's side, and post it here
 

rk_sports

Hall of Fame
1 -- Nadal, Nalbandian, Gulbis, Verdasco
2 -- Murray, Berdych, Query, Isner
3 -- Novak, Davydenko, Roddick, Bagdatis
4 -- Federer, Soderling, Cilic, (Hewitt, Gonzo)

IMO, the order of half's with potential of upsets -
1. Novak's half
2. Nadals's half
3. Murray's half
4. Fed's half

It will also depend on the match ups...
 

larlarbd

Banned
I don't recall excuses after Federer's loss to del Potro last year. :confused:

My Friend , You are one of the better few , If You didn't. There was a storm of idiotic posts last year when DelPO won - that Fed lost the tie-break because of that Late Challenge incident ( Where Umpire told Fed to shut-up ) - a lot of *******s saw that as Fed's reason for loss ( absurd ).

I was rooting for Fed , was seriously shocked that he lost ( after playing wonderful tennis at the beginning ) - but after the match I felt DelPO won fair_&_square, then came to this board & found these idiots would stop at nothing for excuses - If You didn't - I respect You .
 

namelessone

Legend
LOL at some of the reactions, the haters even now say that Nadal has a easy draw:)

I am not one to be fixated on draws but it is pretty much clear that Nadal and has the toughest draw whereas Fed/Murray have it easier.

Nadal has big hitters in his draw like Gabashivili, Dolgolopov,Istomin, Gulbis(bad matchup), Ljubicic(beat Nadal this year), Nalbandian(very bad matchup), will probably meet his toughest match-up, Murray in the SF and has to go through Fed in the final as well.

Fed has basically no one who could even take a set IMO up until QF, maybe only lleyton if he is really pumped up and Roger comes out flat. But the rest are pretty much jokes on this surface. And even the QF will heavily favour Roger IMO, Sod has been off his game and Roger rules on this surface. In the SF Roger will face Djoker who unfortunately has become Roger's pigeon at the USO. A Murray encounter for example would have been tougher because there would be less pressure on the scot in a semi then in a final.

Murray also has a easy draw IMO. He will lose at most two sets until QF IMO and has a easy draw in Nadal in SF as well. If Andy plays to his potential his only real test will be against Fed in the final.
 

OddJack

G.O.A.T.
My Friend , You are one of the better few , If You didn't. There was a storm of idiotic posts last year when DelPO won - that Fed lost the tie-break because of that Late Challenge incident ( Where Umpire told Fed to shut-up ) - a lot of *******s saw that as Fed's reason for loss ( absurd ).

I was rooting for Fed , was seriously shocked that he lost ( after playing wonderful tennis at the beginning ) - but after the match I felt DelPO won fair_&_square, then came to this board & found these idiots would stop at nothing for excuses - If You didn't - I respect You .

umpire never told him to shut up. He only hold up his hands.
 
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