USO 2010 Men's Draw

ballboy48 said:
Unbelievable, total cakewalk draw for Nadal. He has no one until Murray. This is sad. Draw is fixed.
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Maybe but on Fed's side:)

Nadal has several big hitters on his side, he has gabashvili who can hit really big if you've watched him play, he has gulbis who almost beat him on clay(if he almost did it on clay he can do it on fast HC), he has his worst match-up in nalbandian, he could meet a ljubicic in round 4(who beat him this year), he meets Murray(who almost always beats him on HC) in SF and Fed in the final.

Now compare this to Fed's draw, Roger doesn't meet anyone who can take a set let alone defeat him until QF and the way sod and djoker are doing form-wise, Roger's only challenge may come in the finals and that's only if murray or nadal are there.
 
People "analyze" the draw by looking at rankings, past results, stats, H2H, but seem completely oblivious of current form. You can't reduce tennis simply to mathematics...

And considering how Nadal struggled against mediocre opponents in the past two HC tourneys, it's rather odd to talk about any draw as being an "easy" or "cakewalk" draw in his case.
 
namelessone said:
Murray also has a easy draw IMO. He will lose at most two sets until QF IMO and has a easy draw in Nadal in SF as well. If Andy plays to his potential his only real test will be against Fed in the final.
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Stop making Murray as if he’s a king of this surface. He played half ass tennis during Cincinnati. And Novak is just as a terrible matchup for Nadal as Murray. It balance off.
 
JustBob said:
People "analyze" the draw by looking at rankings, past results, stats, H2H, but seem completely oblivious of current form. You can't reduce tennis simply to mathematics...

And considering how Nadal struggled against mediocre opponents in the past two HC tourneys, it's rather odd to talk about any draw as being an "easy" or "cakewalk" draw in his case.
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And it's not like Fed has been trashing everyone lately, either.
The way some folks make it out that either Fed or Nadal are a lock-in for the semis - un-friggin'-believable.

I can only hope all of them are trolling/troll-baiting and it's just me, too stupid to recognize and ignore it.
 
namelessone said:
Maybe but on Fed's side:)

Nadal has several big hitters on his side, he has gabashvili who can hit really big if you've watched him play, he has gulbis who almost beat him on clay(if he almost did it on clay he can do it on fast HC), he has his worst match-up in nalbandian, he could meet a ljubicic in round 4(who beat him this year), he meets Murray(who almost always beats him on HC) in SF and Fed in the final.

Now compare this to Fed's draw, Roger doesn't meet anyone who can take a set let alone defeat him until QF and the way sod and djoker are doing form-wise, Roger's only challenge may come in the finals and that's only if murray or nadal are there.
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What big hitters? you can't name Gulbis and NAlby they both can't play Nadal. Nadal's draw is wayyyyy easier IMO. Fed almost surely will meet Sod. Sod is way better than Verdasco, who is the highest seed in Nadal's 1/4.
 
Destro said:
For anyone that is interested, by my calculations there has been ONE grand slam since Murray became a top 4 player(AO 09 was the first), where he has not been in the same half as Nadal. Not including Wimby 09. ONE. Pathetic.
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Which Slam was that?
 
TMF said:
Stop making Murray as if he’s a king of this surface. He played half ass tennis during Cincinnati. And Novak is just as a terrible matchup for Nadal as Murray. It balance off.
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Maybe you're not getting the point. Novak would be just as tough for Nadal as Murray but Murray would be tougher for Roger than Novak(roger has beat novak three times in USO alone). No one is saying that Murray would surely beat Roger but he has a bigger chance that Novak, that's for sure.
 
JoelDali said:
I'm a total ******* and I have to admit what an easy draw for Fed.

:)
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Got to agree with you there. The most important thing for Fed is that Murray is on the other half, which dooms Nadal's chances to make it to the final. That is if Nadal even makes it to the semi to face Murray. However, if Murray gets knocked off early, it's a crapshoot for the final.
 
namelessone said:
Maybe you're not getting the point. Novak would be just as tough for Nadal as Murray but Murray would be tougher for Roger than Novak(roger has beat novak three times in USO alone). No one is saying that Murray would surely beat Roger but he has a bigger chance that Novak, that's for sure.
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I disagree Novak has played Roger more in slams that is all but he has actually tkane Roger to 4 sets at the Open and in his final in 2007 he had set points in the 1st 2 sets he was only 19 then he has also the experience of beating Federer in a major!

Murray has lost to Federer in straight sets both times they played in a Grand Slam! so I don't think in anyway that Murray is more of a threat to Roger than Novak!
 
ballboy48 said:
What big hitters? you can't name Gulbis and NAlby they both can't play Nadal. Nadal's draw is wayyyyy easier IMO. Fed almost surely will meet Sod. Sod is way better than Verdasco, who is the highest seed in Nadal's 1/4.
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You're missing the point, Nadal has tougher earlier rounds(and you know most players are rusty in the early rounds), he has guys that can beat him or at least take sets whereas Fed might as well send Mirka for his first four rounds, except for the lleyton match should it occur. Soderling would be a threat except he hasn't been up to much lately and had some physical issues as well. He played very well in USO 09' and couldn't beat Fed. No way Sod reaches that level again. Novak does not believe against Fed, he has been brutalized on HC by Fed as he has been by Rafa on clay.
 
namelessone said:
You're missing the point, Nadal has tougher earlier rounds(and you know most players are rusty in the early rounds), he has guys that can beat him or at least take sets whereas Fed might as well send Mirka for his first four rounds, except for the lleyton match should it occur. Soderling would be a threat except he hasn't been up to much lately and had some physical issues as well. He played very well in USO 09' and couldn't beat Fed. No way Sod reaches that level again. Novak does not believe against Fed, he has been brutalized on HC by Fed as he has been by Rafa on clay.
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You gotta be kidding me Gabash..., Istomin?? Kohl??? 2 of those guys are just coming of injuries. None of those guys can beat him. He has no one until the semis. You have to be an Uber ********* to not see that.
 
coloskier said:
Got to agree with you there. The most important thing for Fed is that Murray is on the other half, which dooms Nadal's chances to make it to the final. That is if Nadal even makes it to the semi to face Murray. However, if Murray gets knocked off early, it's a crapshoot for the final.
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Thank you for being honest as a Fed fan.

Only a blind man wouldn't see that Fed has a very easy time until SF and if you judge based on current form, Novak won't be a threat either. To be fair though, it is tough to make a difficult HC draw for Roger but he has almost no big hitters on his side until QF and the one true rival for him on fast HC is on Nadal's side.
 
namelessone said:
You're missing the point, Nadal has tougher earlier rounds(and you know most players are rusty in the early rounds), he has guys that can beat him or at least take sets whereas Fed might as well send Mirka for his first four rounds, except for the lleyton match should it occur. Soderling would be a threat except he hasn't been up to much lately and had some physical issues as well. He played very well in USO 09' and couldn't beat Fed. No way Sod reaches that level again. Novak does not believe against Fed, he has been brutalized on HC by Fed as he has been by Rafa on clay.
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No way is Nadal losing early. And how do you know that Sod won't reach that level again? Everyone thought he was going to suffer a beat down at the FO, and look what happened. Soderling pushed Federer hard at the US Open, and could have taken it all the way to the brink. Now he also has the belief that he can beat him on the big stage.

Nadal actually has a good draw until the semis imo.
 
namelessone said:
Thank you for being honest as a Fed fan.

Only a blind man wouldn't see that Fed has a very easy time until SF and if you judge based on current form, Novak won't be a threat either. To be fair though, it is tough to make a difficult HC draw for Roger but he has almost no big hitters on his side until QF and the one true rival for him on fast HC is on Nadal's side.
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The funniest thing about your post is you don't see how blind you yourself are. The most faulty are those who think they are immune to ****ism.
 
ballboy48 said:
You gotta be kidding me Gabash..., Istomin?? Kohl??? 2 of those guys are just coming of injuries. None of those guys can beat him. He has no one until the semis. You have to be an Uber ********* to not see that.
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These are courts where you can bash. They only need one break per set, one bad service game from Nadal and the others can hold serve/ballbash their way through the court if they get hot. We are talking about match-ups, big server-big hitter + fast surface = bad news for Nadal, and he has plenty of them on his side. He lost a set to monfils last year and although he straight setted gonzalez the match was really really close in the first two sets(there were two tiebreakers if I remember correctly).

Gulbis in form or a hungry Nalbandian(pun intended) can be way more dangerous than gonzalez was last year, and Rafa doesn't seem to be playing any better than in 09' on HC. And again, Ljubicic did beat Nadal this year on HC.
 
Based upon the comments from the hardcore Nadal fans, I think it's fair to say that they are scared for Nadal to play Andy. I guess also that they think that Murray is a better player on hard than Rafa.
 
I still can't believe how people think Nadal is going to win USO if he is likely to be beaten by Gulbis

I don't care if the courts are made of glass, Gulbis at this point in time on fast courts will do no damage at all to top players like Nadal
 
ballboy48 said:
The funniest thing about your post is you don't see how blind you yourself are. The most faulty are those who think they are immune to ****ism.
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Says the guy with BANNED in his avatar:)

Give me some logical arguments for your theory that Nadal has a easy draw. Nadal has more bad matchups in his draw than Fed therefore he has a tougher draw, what's so hard to get? Doesn't mean that Gulbis/Nalbandian/whoever will beat him, just that they have the POTENTIAL to upset Nadal based on past results and matchup issues. Who has the potential to upset Fed in the first four rounds?

Obviously it is harder to make a tough draw on HC for Roger than for Rafa but if Roger had more big hitters on his side, then I would conceed your point.
 
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OKUSA said:
I still can't believe how people think Nadal is going to win USO if he is likely to be beaten by Gulbis

I don't care if the courts are made of glass, Gulbis at this point in time on fast courts will do no damage at all to top players like Nadal
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On these courts Gulbis need only get hot for a couple of sets, the court works in his favour. Hell, he almost beat Nadal on clay this year for those that forgot. Gulbis is always a dangerous darkhorse, he can be wildly inconsistent or extremely good. This being the early rounds gulbis will have no pressure. Ditto for a nalbandian should he meet Rafa.
 
What are the chances that Gulbis shows up in that form for 3 sets and Nadal does nothing about it? It has to be less than 5%, same for Nalbandian, 3 sets you have to play lights out tennis. Maybe in best of 3 you can get away with an hour of lights out tennis, but in majors it takes at least 2 hours.

I think the chances Soderling plays that kind of tennis is more likely than Gulbis or Nalbandian. Even Davydenko has showed he can take it to Federer on hard courts in the past year

If Nadal loses to either Gulbis or Nalbandian, that would be a major upset in my book. Federer losing to Soderling or Davydenko wouldn't be that shocking
 
Hitman said:
No way is Nadal losing early. And how do you know that Sod won't reach that level again? Everyone thought he was going to suffer a beat down at the FO, and look what happened. Soderling pushed Federer hard at the US Open, and could have taken it all the way to the brink. Now he also has the belief that he can beat him on the big stage.

Nadal actually has a good draw until the semis imo.
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Naw, Nadal got slightly shafted in his draw. Kohlschreiber can push him a little bit (but likely won't cause the upset), and there's also Gulbis (can get hot), and Nalbandian (could do the job). Heck, Ivan Ljubicic is in his quarter and Ivan's beaten Rafa on hard this year. And that was on the slower hardcourts of Indian Wells. At the USO, Ivan's serve could do more damage. And of course there's possibly Berdych or Murray in the semis.

Nadal is favored in all those matches (except maybe against Murray) but they are decently likely upsets if his opponents get hot and ride the wave.

Federer's draw is better but by no means a gimme. Hewitt is there and while Federer should clean that one up, we all know how much he stunk it up in Halle earlier this year. And Sod is not an easy task if he gets his head together. Possible upset there.
 
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Neither Federer's nor Nadal's draw is a gimme, but I really don't expect either of them to break a sweat in the early stages. Fed's first real challenge will come in the QF with Soderling, and Nadal's will come in the SF against Murray (if Murray doesn't lose early like last year).

Rafa and Roger are machines at slams. People round here must have memories like goldfish. Nadal made the SF last year in spite of being in much worse shape than he is right now. Roger has made the last six finals. If either of them go out before the semis it will be a big upset IMO.
 
Destro said:
What a complete joke of a draw. Just about saps all the life out of what was a very interesting grand slam. It's absolutely disgraceful that Murray and Nadal are in the same half again.


I'd be interested to know how many slams Murray and Nadal have been drawn in the same half, since both have been top 4 players. I'm betting it's at least 80% of the slams.
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Since USO 2008?

AO 2009
FO 2009
Wimbledon 2009(Rafa withdrew but Murray was in his half of the draw)
USO 2009
AO 2010
Wimbledon 2010
USO 2010

So, since Murray became a top 4 player he has only been once in Fed's half, at FO 2010:lol: FO is the slam where Murray doesn't have the game to win it...
 
Murray/Nadal, Federer/Djokovic again!
Djoker side looks fun, hopefully he can enjoy himself before... well... the Swiss malediction... or maybe he's gonna self destruct before with a double faulting suicide :( Aw...
 
Hitman said:
Yes, I remember this. He was actually thinking about pulling out of Miami. He DID pull out of Monte Carlo because of his illness that year.
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Yup, Federer destroyed the field at Indian Wells and then got sick when he got to Miami.

Look at his scores at IW that year:

1R: 6-1, 6-1
2R: 6-3, 6-2
3R: 6-4, 6-1
QF: 6-2, 6-1
S: 4-6, 6-3, 6-4
F: 6-3, 6-3

The only set he lost all tournament was to Agassi in the semis.

He then gets to Miami and almost loses to Davydenko in the 1st round, barely pulling it out 7-5 in the 3rd? And loses to Nadal 6-3, 6-3 in the 2nd round? He then pulls out of Monte Carlo? Come on now. He was sick as a dog and should have skipped Miami and stayed in bed to recover.
 
Cyan said:
Since USO 2008?

AO 2009
FO 2009
Wimbledon 2009(Rafa withdrew but Murray was in his half of the draw)
USO 2009
AO 2010
Wimbledon 2010
USO 2010

So, since Murray became a top 4 player he has only been once in Fed's half, at FO 2010:lol: FO is the slam where Murray doesn't have the game to win it...
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This is depressing.
 
BreakPoint said:
Yup, Federer destroyed the field at Indian Wells and then got sick when he got to Miami.

Look at his scores at IW that year:

1R: 6-1, 6-1
2R: 6-3, 6-2
3R: 6-4, 6-1
QF: 6-2, 6-1
S: 4-6, 6-3, 6-4
F: 6-3, 6-3

The only set he lost all tournament was to Agassi in the semis.

He then gets to Miami and almost loses to Davydenko in the 1st round, barely pulling it out 7-5 in the 3rd? And loses to Nadal 6-3, 6-3 in the 2nd round? He then pulls out of Monte Carlo? Come on now. He was sick as a dog and should have skipped Miami and stayed in bed to recover.
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Then why did he play at all? Too much pride?
 
Cyan said:
Since USO 2008?

AO 2009
FO 2009
Wimbledon 2009(Rafa withdrew but Murray was in his half of the draw)
USO 2009
AO 2010
Wimbledon 2010
USO 2010

So, since Murray became a top 4 player he has only been once in Fed's half, at FO 2010:lol: FO is the slam where Murray doesn't have the game to win it...
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Wow, once in 9 slams. What about Djoker being in Fed's half? Must be more or less like Murray being in Nadal's half in terms of numbers.
 
BreakPoint said:
Yup, Federer destroyed the field at Indian Wells and then got sick when he got to Miami.

Look at his scores at IW that year:

1R: 6-1, 6-1
2R: 6-3, 6-2
3R: 6-4, 6-1
QF: 6-2, 6-1
S: 4-6, 6-3, 6-4
F: 6-3, 6-3

The only set he lost all tournament was to Agassi in the semis.

He then gets to Miami and almost loses to Davydenko in the 1st round, barely pulling it out 7-5 in the 3rd? And loses to Nadal 6-3, 6-3 in the 2nd round? He then pulls out of Monte Carlo? Come on now. He was sick as a dog and should have skipped Miami and stayed in bed to recover.
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Sick as a dog is an exaggeration. He was sick for several days right before the tournment; he recovered in time to play but was still low energy and hadn't practiced properly. He played Davis Cup right after the tourney.

For those interested, here are links to Fed's interviews both before and after the Nadal match:

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=21456

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=21455

He is very respectful of Nadal, indicating that he has potential to eventually be #1, and talks about how Nadal's topspin was bothering him.
 
BreakPoint said:
Yup, Federer destroyed the field at Indian Wells and then got sick when he got to Miami.

Look at his scores at IW that year:

1R: 6-1, 6-1
2R: 6-3, 6-2
3R: 6-4, 6-1
QF: 6-2, 6-1
S: 4-6, 6-3, 6-4
F: 6-3, 6-3

The only set he lost all tournament was to Agassi in the semis.

He then gets to Miami and almost loses to Davydenko in the 1st round, barely pulling it out 7-5 in the 3rd? And loses to Nadal 6-3, 6-3 in the 2nd round? He then pulls out of Monte Carlo? Come on now. He was sick as a dog and should have skipped Miami and stayed in bed to recover.
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So what's your point? A win is a win. Federer played in Miami, and Nadal, then ranked at 34 in the world, completely outplayed the world number 1.
 
Wow you Nadal fans are a bunch of whiners. You're pissed off because you know Nadal can't beat Murray. Roger has spanked Murray twice in straights, Rafa cannot do this.
 
I think, once again, Djokovic is the unlucky one, getting the hardest draw for his quarter.

Nadal has easier draw than Fed. I'm actually worried when I see possible Fed-Hewitt match for R3. Nadal? Pfftt, he should be able to make it to the SF at least. Verdasco in Nadal's quarter? Geez, what a joke.

I hope Fed can win this USO. Go Roger!!
 
Djoker won't even make it to the semis, Federer will have a pasted his prime out of form pidgeon Roddick in the semis. My god, Federer's draw is a JOKE!
 
Ray Mercer said:
Wow you Nadal fans are a bunch of whiners. You're pissed off because you know Nadal can't beat Murray. Roger has spanked Murray twice in straights, Rafa cannot do this.
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You sure about that? I wouldn't get too excited just judging by Toronto results. Perhaps YOU wish that Murray defeats Nadal.
 
meg0529 said:
You sure about that? I wouldn't get too excited just judging by Toronto results. Perhaps YOU wish that Murray defeats Nadal.
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It's wishful thinking to even believe that Nadal can beat Murray on US Open turf. Murray owns Nadal on hard courts.
 
rovex said:
It's wishful thinking to even believe that Nadal can beat Murray on US Open turf. Murray owns Nadal on hard courts.
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In 2008 it took Murray 4 sets to beat Rafa. If Nadal is on top of this, which I'm sure he'll find his groove by the time Semis come around, Murray doesn't stand a chance.
 
meg0529 said:
In 2008 it took Murray 4 sets to beat Rafa. If Nadal is on top of this, which I'm sure he'll find his groove by the time Semis come around, Murray doesn't stand a chance.
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Well, Nadal hasn't been convincing the last few weeks, not to mention Murray won pretty easily against Nadal only 2 weeks ago. And the fact that Murray has won the last two times they've played at a slam on hard court. I think it's plain crazy to think Murray won't stand a chance against Nadal at his best, because Murray at his best is better than Nadal at his best on hard court, really.
 
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