USO 2010 Men's Draw
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meg0529
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Well, in that case, you have your opinion and I have mine
I would start to justify Murray's last few wins over Rafa, but excuse making is officially lame. If Nadal brings his best, and I think he will, Murray will not be able to defeat him.
SiriusTennis
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Those who are fans of your respective players:
Whether the draw is tough or not is a matter of opinion, honestly (in most cases, anyway). So instead of whining about how Nadal draws Murray everytime or how Federer is going to lose to Soderling, or whatever else that has been repeated 80,346 times in the last few pages, how about having some faith that your favourite player is better than the opponent and can pull through? Specially Nadal and Federer fans. If you guys think they're both the best thing to grace this earth, they should be able to deal with whatever draw they're faced with.
Whether the draw is tough or not is a matter of opinion, honestly (in most cases, anyway). So instead of whining about how Nadal draws Murray everytime or how Federer is going to lose to Soderling, or whatever else that has been repeated 80,346 times in the last few pages, how about having some faith that your favourite player is better than the opponent and can pull through? Specially Nadal and Federer fans. If you guys think they're both the best thing to grace this earth, they should be able to deal with whatever draw they're faced with.
Fearhanded
Banned
Thank you, Sirius! What a bunch of whiners. Get over it. The fans are whining about very player that is in the path of Federer or Nadal. Let me say this, if Federer and Nadal cant handle a tough draw, then they are just massive b1tches and should hang up the racquets.
P_Agony
Banned
I would actually love to see ol' Fed get some much needed revenge on Soderling. Bring it on!
Mustard
Bionic Poster
I feel likewise with Nadal and Murray. In 2008, Nadal beat Murray in Toronto but lost to him at the US Open. I would like to see that reversed in 2010
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Because Federer almost never withdraws from a tournament. When he withdrew from his match against Blake at the Paris Masters in Oct. 2008 due to his back injury, that was his first withdraw from a tournament in his entire career, and still is. I don't think he's ever retired from a match once it's started, either.
Fedace
Banned
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Q. "You had a cold or flu?"
ROGER FEDERER: "Yeah, I was sick. I had a fever and threw up and those kind of things, so..."
So he was sick, had a fever, and was throwing up before the Nadal match. Sounds like great preparation to me. Like I said, he should have stayed in bed instead of playing Nadal.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Um...when was the last time you played a match against a top pro while you had a fever and was throwing up?
Not very hard to outplay someone who's puking his guts out, is it? :???:
I think you're confusing pulling out in the middle of a tournament from withdrawing before it begins. What happened against Blake for the first and only time is that Fed pulled out of a tourny after playing a few rounds, giving his opponant a walkover.
Fed has withdrawn from plenty of tourneys prior to the begining, such as Dubai earlier this year.
Probably he didn't pull out of Miami because he was already there, and was feeling better, so he figured he might as well give it a shot. I think he pulled out of the doubles tho'.
Anyway I posted the links above to his interviews where he explains his health situation.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Lol, you could say that about every match Federer has played against Nadal, Nadal owns Federer.
TTMR
Hall of Fame
Why does it seem that Djokovic is always in Federer's half and Murray always in Nadal's half in Grand Slams? FO '10 is the only exception I can think of. Strange, but I imagine Djokovic would have a few more finals appearances if he did not have to face Federer regularly in semifinals.
P_Agony
Banned
I feel likewise with Nadal and Murray. In 2008, Nadal beat Murray in Toronto but lost to him at the US Open. I would like to see that reversed in 2010
But Nadal beat Murray since, both in IW 2009, MC 2009, and also in W 2010. Their last match in a slam went to Nadal, so I'm sure Murray will come with the will for revenge ;-)
With Sod and Fed its a bit different because Rog is used to beating Sod yet he lost their last match quite badly, and it was a slam.
However, if both match take place, I think both Fed and Nadal win. Nadal will want to prove himself in the USO and when he's motivated he's near unbeatable. Fed will come with the right gameplan, it'll be a tough match, 4-5 sets, but Fed will prevail in the same fashion he did against Bird in Toronto.
OK, but that quote is from the day before he played Nadal, and he said I WAS sick, not I am sick.
He was over the fever etc. by the time the tournament started but as I said above was I'm sure low on energy.
P_Agony
Banned
Agreed
How's Cincinnati these days? I hear it's quite hot.:twisted:
P_Agony
Banned
Federer's draw is as easy as it gets. I hope he takes good advantage of it
Nadal and Djokovic have brutal draws on the other hand I dont see either player making it to the QF's
Djokovic has a brutal draw, but Nadal? I can't seen anyone taking a set off him until Murray in the semis.
P_Agony
Banned
Um...when was the last time you played a match against a top pro while you had a fever and was throwing up?
Not very hard to outplay someone who's puking his guts out, is it? :???:
I hate excuses, and Fed is no exception to that rule. He lost to Nadal fair and square and Nadal owns him H2H fair and square. Bad matchup, mental block, whatever. Point is, Nadal > Federer in their matchup. To me, anyone who disagrees with that is in denial.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Um...do you know why the *********s here ALWAYS scream that Federer has a "easy draw" EVERY time ANY draw is released for EVERY Grand Slam?
The answer is obvious.
Because Federer is favored to beat EVERYONE at every Grand Slam. You can't have a difficult draw no matter who's in your half if you're favored to beat all 63 players in your half.
It's the same reason why the *********s here ALWAYS whine that Nadal has a "tough draw" EVERY time ANY draw is released for EVERY Grand Slam. It's because they know Nadal is vulnerable to lose to ANYONE at every Grand Slam.
Thus, their conclusion is that Federer ALWAYS has an "easy draw" while Nadal ALWAYS has a "tough draw". It has nothing at all to do with the other 63 players in their respective halves. It has only to do with Federer and Nadal themselves.
The answer is obvious.
Because Federer is favored to beat EVERYONE at every Grand Slam. You can't have a difficult draw no matter who's in your half if you're favored to beat all 63 players in your half.
It's the same reason why the *********s here ALWAYS whine that Nadal has a "tough draw" EVERY time ANY draw is released for EVERY Grand Slam. It's because they know Nadal is vulnerable to lose to ANYONE at every Grand Slam.
Thus, their conclusion is that Federer ALWAYS has an "easy draw" while Nadal ALWAYS has a "tough draw". It has nothing at all to do with the other 63 players in their respective halves. It has only to do with Federer and Nadal themselves.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Then why has Federer beaten Nadal on every surface multiple times? :???:
P_Agony
Banned
I agree that Fed is favored against 99% of the players out there, but I would say the same for the Nadal as well. These two are GS beasts. Nadal might be a bit more vulnerable than Federer, but Fed is vulnerable in their matchup so that balances things out. Fed's draw is OK, Nadal's too. Djokovic, on the other hand, is going to have his hands full.
P_Agony
Banned
But not as much as Nadal beat him. For every match Fed won Nadal won two. There's really no counter attack to this. I wish there was, but there isn't. Its Fed's problem he couldn't figure out Nadal, and its not like he didn't have his chances.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal has beaten Federer in slam finals across 3 different surfaces. I don't know why you're continuing to beat a dead horse.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yes, that's what I said. Federer doesn't withdraw from a tournament once it starts. Pulling out before the tournament means not even showing up at all. You can't withdraw from something you were never in.
Oh dear God.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
You mean like '06 and '07 Master's Cups and '06 and '07 Wimbledons?Lol, you could say that about every match Federer has played against Nadal, Nadal owns Federer.
Fishie just couldn't get past his mental barriers to beat Federer.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Shall we clap, throw money or what? :|
The bottom line is that once you play, you're officially fit.
P_Agony
Banned
But why did Nadal tank to avoid Roger? Roger finally agreed to meet him and Nadal refused. That's not nice. Fed also wanted to meet Nadal in the Toronto final but Nadal rejected him there too. Not like Toronto is of any importance, it's not a slam, and surely it isn't the real slam, right? ;-)
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Miami is the week right after IW and he was fine in IW so if he got sick when he got to Miami then obviously he was still sick as he had no time in between to fully recover.
P_Agony
Banned
This I fully agree with. But you should tell that to Nadal and Djokovic, not to Federer, who never retired a match in the middle of it before. :neutral:
P_Agony
Banned
Did you even look at Nadal's draw
Yep. A bunch of nobodies until Nalby and Murray. Kohly might do some damage but I doubt it. Who else?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
How about the 3 times that Federer has beaten Nadal in US Open finals?
Oops...I forgot. Nadal has never made it to even a single US Open final.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
If you retire, then you submit. It counts officially as a loss.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Then why all the excuses that Nadal was injured when he got his butt spanked by Soderling at the '09 FO and by Del Potro at the '09 USO? And by Ferrero at '08 Rome?
Mustard
Bionic Poster
How about the 3 times that Federer has beaten Nadal in US Open finals?
Oops...I forgot. Nadal has never made it to even a single US Open final.
Oh I see, you've stopped judging the Nadal vs. Federer rivalry as it exists in the real world and you've entered an alternate dimension instead? :-?
P_Agony
Banned
That's where I respectfully disagree. Sure, it counts as a loss, but its never being looked like a loss by the media and fans. Takes away credit from the opponent. When the injury is bad and there's a lot more to be played, its OK, but when you've got 3 games to finish and you just came back from a game in which you had a BP, to me its being a sore loser.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Then why all the excuses that Nadal was injured when he got his butt spanked by Soderling at the '09 FO and by Del Potro at the '09 USO? And by Ferrero at '08 Rome?
It doesn't matter if Nadal was injured. He played those matches and he lost.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Um...you can't beat someone in a Slam final if he fails to show up. :???:
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal and Federer have never played each other at the US Open. Therefore, the US Open has played absolutely no part in their head-to-head rivalry.
P_Agony
Banned
Not in their direct matchup rivalry, no. But surely it has a part in their overall career H2H, which is why Fed/Nadal is the most confusing rivalry ever.
There's a week in between the two tourneys; that's when Fed was sick.
Anyway, I agree he was less than 100% while playing the Miami tourney, but he was not actively feverish and throwing up, that was my only point.
Anyway, Fed's condition may have some relevance to the lop-sided score, but overall this was a legit victory by Nadal as evidenced by the fact that Nadal won the next two sets (and went up a break) the next match they played at the same tourney.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
One thing I know is that just because Federer has a much better US Open record than Nadal, one can't just assume that Federer would beat Nadal if they were to meet in the final. The 2009 Australian Open showed that it doesn't work like that.
P_Agony
Banned
Correct. Which is why I consider Nadal better H2H-wise and Federer better results-wise. No true GOAT.
Jaitock1991
Hall of Fame
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