USO : Nadal vs Djokovic

Which one is the better player at USO ?

  • Nadal

    Votes: 15 28.8%
  • Djokovic

    Votes: 37 71.2%

  • Total voters
    52
#1
I’m wondering which one is the better player at this GS, it’s hard to tell. Nadal beat Djoko twice, the opposite happened once but Djokovic reached the final 8 times while Nadal did it "only" 4 times. And they have the same number of USO titles.
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
#2
I’m wondering which one is the better player at this GS, it’s hard to tell. Nadal beat Djoko twice, the opposite happened once but Djokovic reached the final 7 times while Nadal did it "only" 4 times. And they have the same number of USO titles.
Djokovic has 8 uso finals, not 7.
Far more consistent, ****load more of top 10 wins. Nadal's draws were also clearly easier


Definitely Djokovic.
 
#4
I’m wondering which one is the better player at this GS, it’s hard to tell. Nadal beat Djoko twice, the opposite happened once but Djokovic reached the final 7 times while Nadal did it "only" 4 times. And they have the same number of USO titles.
I think Djokovic is better and it's not that close.
 
#8
Djokovic, but remember Rafa is 2-1 against him at the USO.
Gawwd I am legit disappointed. I saw your original message before it was edited. Why not stick to your guns? It's not totally unreasonable to say Nadal, have a heavy bias for wins over consistency, and to use their USO H2H as a tie-breaker. I happen to value that consistent excellence Djokovic displays, so put him ahead.
 
#12
Djokovic.

But I was thinking about this matchup the other day and it's weird that they have only met in the finals at this tournament and everytime Djokovic was coming off a 5 setter. Also, even though Djokovic is superior on hardcourt, Rafa brought his highest level on hardcourt to this tournament.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#13
Djokovic, but remember Rafa is 2-1 against him at the USO.
Do remember also how Rafa choked against Fognini in 2015 with one more match to go before facing Djokovic in the quarters that year? Do you feel the H2H would still have been in Nadal's favor, had he not choked to Fognini and met 2015 Djokovic in that quarter like they were drawn to? Something tells me the H2H statement would have vanished very quickly.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#14
Djokovic.

But I was thinking about this matchup the other day and it's weird that they have only met in the finals at this tournament and everytime Djokovic was coming off a 5 setter. Also, even though Djokovic is superior on hardcourt, Rafa brought his highest level on hardcourt to this tournament.
Yes he did, but Djokovic 2011 run is far superior to any that Nadal has had in NYC since he had to go through both Federer and Nadal back to back. Nadal had easier semis each time he faced Djokovic in the final.
 

Towny

Professional
#15
Can't see how this is a question. It's clearly Djokovic. Far more consistency and wins there. H2H is secondary here. Is Djokovic better than Federer at Wimbledon because he leads the H2H there?

A more interesting question is who had the higher peak there, which is much more even. H2H would factor into that one
 
#16
Yes he did, but Djokovic 2011 run is far superior to any that Nadal has had in NYC since he had to go through both Federer and Nadal back to back. Nadal had easier semis each time he faced Djokovic in the final.
Yea I agree about 2011, probably the highest level as well. I think 2010 is close to that in level though. Djokovic got the short end of the stick all 3 times with SF opponents, and was so unlucky in that regard. I actually am a little upset that we never got the Fedal USO match though and seen how that would play out.
 
#19
Can't see how this is a question. It's clearly Djokovic. Far more consistency and wins there. H2H is secondary here. Is Djokovic better than Federer at Wimbledon because he leads the H2H there?

A more interesting question is who had the higher peak there, which is much more even. H2H would factor into that one
I also think the answer is easily Novak.

But I can definitely see Rafa having the higher peak.
 

Towny

Professional
#20
I also think the answer is easily Novak.

But I can definitely see Rafa having the higher peak.
Yeah I think it can go either way. It often depends which match I've watched most recently of USO 2010 F or 2011 F. Both very high levels. Maybe the closest we'll see to peak for peak is the 3rd set of the 2011 final, which Nadal won. I can definitely see arguments for both sides
 
#23
Rafa played at a extremely high level in 2010 and 2013 but didn't Novak slaughtered him without a serve in 2011 ?

Novak by a good margin achievement wise

Novak by a shade in terms of Peak play

Novak by a good margin in terms of average level.
 

Azure

Hall of Fame
#24
Rafa has made a better use of the chances he has had. On a level and equal playing field, it's even but I think Novak takes it in this one. He is a much better player on hards. I also think Novak will go on to win more USO titles than Rafa.
 
#25
I’m wondering which one is the better player at this GS, it’s hard to tell. Nadal beat Djoko twice, the opposite happened once but Djokovic reached the final 8 times while Nadal did it "only" 4 times. And they have the same number of USO titles.
Djokovic, just because he had the chance to play and beat you know who.
 
#28
Djokovic ahead imo. As a Nadal fan I would say Rafa has really taken his chances at USO which keeps him close in terms of total title count there.

But Djokovic is still ahead and it seems closer than it should be because Djokovic has underachieved at USO. Someone with his total match wins and finals appearances at USO could possibly have won more. With that said he's most likely the greatest ever on HC and may extend the title disparity with Rafa substantially depending on how things go the next 4-5 years.
 
#30
There's no "not that close" when Nadal has won 2 of his titles over Djokovic and they have the same number of titles, when Ultron just FINALLY caught up and Nadal has missed multiple USO's.
Sheesh at least do the rounds and give some others attention too! The word "easily" crops up quite a bit. :p
 
#31
There's no "not that close" when Nadal has won 2 of his titles over Djokovic and they have the same number of titles, when Ultron just FINALLY caught up and Nadal has missed multiple USO's.
What do you mean finally caught up? First Nadal won in 2010 then Djokovic in 2011. Then Nadal won another one in 2013 and Djokovic matched him again two years later in 2015. Then Nadal won again two years later in 2017 then Djokovic matched him the next year in 2018. They basically went tit for tat this whole decade winning 6 of the 9 USO titles.

Also, Djokovic has played one less USO than Nadal. His record is mostly the reason why people place him over Nadal.
 
#35
Djoko is just a far superior hard court player. If you combine AO/USO, Djokovic has 14 finals + 9 titles. Nadal has 8 finals and 4 titles. Not close. (At USO alone, Djoko has 8 finals, Nadal exactly half of that)
 
#36
so why doesn't Djokovic have more US Opens than Rafael?
And Rafael didn't even play in 2012 and 2014, and that's a big deal because he won 2013!
and why does Rafael lead the US Open h2h?
and why did Djokovic need 5 sets to beat Rafael at the Australian Open?
does Rafael have a match-up advantage over Djokovic?:)
 
#37
One little interesting fact I just realized in regards to Djokovic at the USO. He has beaten every former USO champ of his era at the USO at least once. He is 3-3 vs Federer, 1-2 vs Nadal, 1-1 vs Murray, 2-1 vs Wawrinka, 3-0 vs Del Potro, 1-0 vs Cilic, and 1-0 vs Roddick. Roddick was really the previous era but played a few years at the beginning of his. He beat 7 former champs and beat all of them after they became USO champs except Wawrinka. That's pretty cool bragging rights for him.
 
#38
so why doesn't Djokovic have more US Opens than Rafael?
And Rafael didn't even play in 2012 and 2014, and that's a big deal because he won 2013!
and why does Rafael lead the US Open h2h?
and why did Djokovic need 5 sets to beat Rafael at the Australian Open?
does Rafael have a match-up advantage over Djokovic?:)
Nadal is a tennis giant and a fierce competitor on the big stage on any surface of course. However, the big picture is that 9 slam titles, 5 WTF titles and 24 master titles > 4 slam titles, 0 WTF titles, 9 master titles.
There is no contest between Djoko and Nadal on hard court even though Cincy and USO are Djoko's least successful hard court events. Nadal owns clay. On hard, Djoko's main rival is Fed, not Nadal.
 
#40
One little interesting fact I just realized in regards to Djokovic at the USO. He has beaten every former USO champ of his era at the USO at least once. He is 3-3 vs Federer, 1-2 vs Nadal, 1-1 vs Murray, 2-1 vs Wawrinka, 3-0 vs Del Potro, 1-0 vs Cilic, and 1-0 vs Roddick. Roddick was really the previous era but played a few years at the beginning of his. He beat 7 former champs and beat all of them after they became USO champs except Wawrinka. That's pretty cool bragging rights for him.
I think 8 USO finals speaks for itself in terms of "coolness". Even if he's lost more finals there than at other hard court events (and let's not forget 6 Cincy finals as well).
 
#41
I remember when you used to pretend you liked Nadal LMAO
What does that have to do with anything? I like Djokovic but claiming that Djokovic is comparable to Nadal on clay would be ridiculous. So is claiming that Nadal's record on hard is comparable to Djoko's, sorry. (Or to Federer for that matter).
 
#42
What does that have to do with anything? I like Djokovic but claiming that Djokovic is comparable to Nadal on clay would be ridiculous. So is claiming that Nadal's record on hard is comparable to Djoko's, sorry. (Or to Federer for that matter).
Djokovic's slam skew off his best surface is not much better than Nadal's and literally before 5 months ago, Nadal was leading at the US Open and they were tied at Wimbledon, and only ONE point changed that. Djokovic is ahead, but stop exaggerating.
 
#43
I think 8 USO finals speaks for itself in terms of "coolness". Even if he's lost more finals there than at other hard court events (and let's not forget 6 Cincy finals as well).
Basically the Lendl of this generation. Beat about every former champ at the USO, made 8 finals, and walked off with 3 titles. Looking at their records, you would think they would have 5 titles easily. Not that 3 titles is bad though.
 
#44
Basically the Lendl of this generation. Beat about every former champ at the USO, made 8 finals, and walked off with 3 titles. Looking at their records, you would think they would have 5 titles easily. Not that 3 titles is bad though.
However, Djoko now has 9 slam titles on hard and is still active vs only 5 total for Lendl. No one compares with Djoko on hard except for Fed.
 
#45
Djokovic's slam skew off his best surface is not much better than Nadal's and literally before 5 months ago, Nadal was leading at the US Open and they were tied at Wimbledon, and only ONE point changed that. Djokovic is ahead, but stop exaggerating.
Djokovic's record on hard is A LOT better than Nadal's, no matter how you want to look at it. 9 slam titles is close to 4??? It's more than twice as many. Dude. ;)
Nadal has a kickass record on (outdoor) hard for a non specialist. That does not change the fact that Fed and Djoko's stats dominate the surface overall.
 
#47
This is a very similar question to "who is a better player at Wimbledon Nadal or Murray"? Both Murray and Nadal are tied in Wimbledon titles but Nadal played more Wimbledon finals AND leads the H2H over Murray at Wimbledon which makes him a better Wimbledon player.

Similar situation here. They are tied in USO titles but Djokovic has been more consistent than Nadal that's why he has more finals. Nadal has been more clutch in the H2H with Djokovic though.

So it depends on what do you value the most: extra finals or H2H. I will personally go with H2H and so choose Nadal.
 
#48
This is a very similar question to "who is a better player at Wimbledon Nadal or Murray"? Both Murray and Nadal are tied in Wimbledon titles but Nadal played more Wimbledon finals AND leads the H2H over Murray at Wimbledon which makes him a better Wimbledon player.

Similar situation here. They are tied in USO titles but Djokovic has been more consistent than Nadal that's why he has more finals. Nadal has been more clutch in the H2H with Djokovic though.

So it depends on what do you value the most: extra finals or H2H. I will personally go with H2H and so choose Nadal.
The big difference there is that Murray has a much better record on grass overall than Nadal (much better winning % (83.6 vs 77.6) and twice as many grass titles ( 8 vs 4).
There is no category in which Nadal is superior to Djoko on hard (and Djoko has a better record at AO, USO, WTF and each of the 6 masters on hard).
 
#49
This is a very similar question to "who is a better player at Wimbledon Nadal or Murray"? Both Murray and Nadal are tied in Wimbledon titles but Nadal played more Wimbledon finals AND leads the H2H over Murray at Wimbledon which makes him a better Wimbledon player.

Similar situation here. They are tied in USO titles but Djokovic has been more consistent than Nadal that's why he has more finals. Nadal has been more clutch in the H2H with Djokovic though.

So it depends on what do you value the most: extra finals or H2H. I will personally go with H2H and so choose Nadal.
No the question was who was better on grass. This is a question of who is better at the USO. Two different things.
 
#50
This is a very similar question to "who is a better player at Wimbledon Nadal or Murray"? Both Murray and Nadal are tied in Wimbledon titles but Nadal played more Wimbledon finals AND leads the H2H over Murray at Wimbledon which makes him a better Wimbledon player.

Similar situation here. They are tied in USO titles but Djokovic has been more consistent than Nadal that's why he has more finals. Nadal has been more clutch in the H2H with Djokovic though.

So it depends on what do you value the most: extra finals or H2H. I will personally go with H2H and so choose Nadal.
Of course you do lol. 5 extra finals compared to 1, but let's go with a slight H2H lead of 2-1 because it favours Nadal

Being a better US Open player is not about facing one player, it's about facing the whole field

At least you state it's a personal opinion though
 
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