USO organizers - bunch of morons
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Mustard
Bionic Poster
I was referring to my friend's theory.
obsessedtennisfandisorder
Professional
?????????????????
I can only assume this is a pisstake?
you have just proved what the OP was trying to say.
given what what you wrote above..why not play both matches at the same
time..get it over and done with by 3-4 pm..and then get everyone out.
the cancelled womens final is just more proof of this.
I seem to remember at wimby one year (maybe 1999?) sampras vs henam
was played centre and aggassi-rafter was played court 1. ( i rememeber the commentators saying "we can hear the cheers for agassi from here)
What they need to do
1) Start on Sunday like the french open
2) all mens 1st round matches are completed by Monday.
3) Have Semi finals on a friday gives you room in case of rain
4) PUT A ROOF SOMEWHERE OR MOVE IT TO CALIFORNIA.
USTA ARE A BUNCH OF MORONS. The juice is gone I could care less who wins now I cant even watch the finals live.
1) Start on Sunday like the french open
2) all mens 1st round matches are completed by Monday.
3) Have Semi finals on a friday gives you room in case of rain
4) PUT A ROOF SOMEWHERE OR MOVE IT TO CALIFORNIA.
USTA ARE A BUNCH OF MORONS. The juice is gone I could care less who wins now I cant even watch the finals live.
obsessedtennisfandisorder
Professional
i never said it was easy for USTA. just reply to my points?
you said it was obvious the bad weather was coming...
The OP is just saying playing both semis at the same time is perfect
because it gets everything out of way ..and people can get home SAFELY
before the bad weather comes.
but to be honest..I have no major issues with USTA scheduling per day...
so i dont want to continue arguing about today either.
the greater/bigger issue is full tourny schedule.
You are reading too much into what I've said. I am not "on board" with any of that. I am just describing the reality. Super Saturday has existed for a very long time, it has been criticized for a very long time, and it doesn't look like it will ever be abolished. They are addicted to it because of the money. If it were up to me, I would of course have the semifinals on Friday.
All I am saying is that given the circumstances, it's understandable they stopped the match, although they definitely should have allowed Ferrer to serve for the set.
kanamit
Hall of Fame
Um, no. It was announced that this was the last super craptastic Saturday.
The rain started about 40 minutes after they called the match. They stopped the match as soon as the city of NY told them they needed to evacuate the facility. The city doesn't care where in the match this occurred they just want everyone out.
And those of you complaining about them not starting both matches at the same time the tournament consulted all of the players and 3/4 of them wanted to play on Ashe. So if the players wanted to play on Ashe, the people who spent tons of money wanted them to play on Ashe and TV wanted them to play on Ashe can you really blame the USTA for trying to get both matches in?
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Obsessed, one more time because you appear sane. You do not have to agree of course but here is my current thinking:
I did not say it was "obvious the weather was coming" if that suggests it was obvious in the morning approximately what time it would arrive.
I said forecasting sucks a day out. And get's increasingly better. I suggested they are near perfect < hour out. They get increasingly bad > 6 hours out.
As other posters have noted it is not clear at 11am what will happen weatherwise at 6pm. It is much clearer at 5pm. In addition, the city of NY likely made the call. The city is the landlord and it's a public event so they likely have the authority to order an evacuation. I expect there is zero chance the city said evacuate and the USTA said "but we think we should finish the set." Early had a sense of urgency when he came out and you knew it was over. There are 25,000 + people to get offsite and doing it in bad weather is a recipe for a very bad ending. So it was not clear how long they could play today in the morning but it was clear at the point they stopped the match that it should have been stopped.
For why if the weather was iffy (with a high probability of bad weather later in the day or in the evening) they didn't play both at the same time. Personally I wanted them to play the 2nd semi on Armstrong. But it was a pipe dream.
First, the weather wasn't clear as to how long they had as I suggested above or how fast the 1st match would go. Think of the pressures against. TV. Can't show two semis at once. Ticket holders. Suite holders and courtside pay an extraordinary amount of money and expect to see both matches. People were understandably very upset in 2008 when they played Murray-Nadal on Armstrong. And even in 2008 when the forecast was for bad weather earlier in the day, they waited as long as they felt they could and started Murray well into the Fed match.
In addition, it is easier said then done. After Fed ended they had to contain a near riot situation outside as thousands of people tried to get into Armstrong. Do you think they want a repeat of that ? I think you are underestimating the insanity of a crowd and the importance of safety considerations.
It's just tennis at the end of the day. Everyone left safely. That has to take priority.
I did not say it was "obvious the weather was coming" if that suggests it was obvious in the morning approximately what time it would arrive.
I said forecasting sucks a day out. And get's increasingly better. I suggested they are near perfect < hour out. They get increasingly bad > 6 hours out.
As other posters have noted it is not clear at 11am what will happen weatherwise at 6pm. It is much clearer at 5pm. In addition, the city of NY likely made the call. The city is the landlord and it's a public event so they likely have the authority to order an evacuation. I expect there is zero chance the city said evacuate and the USTA said "but we think we should finish the set." Early had a sense of urgency when he came out and you knew it was over. There are 25,000 + people to get offsite and doing it in bad weather is a recipe for a very bad ending. So it was not clear how long they could play today in the morning but it was clear at the point they stopped the match that it should have been stopped.
For why if the weather was iffy (with a high probability of bad weather later in the day or in the evening) they didn't play both at the same time. Personally I wanted them to play the 2nd semi on Armstrong. But it was a pipe dream.
First, the weather wasn't clear as to how long they had as I suggested above or how fast the 1st match would go. Think of the pressures against. TV. Can't show two semis at once. Ticket holders. Suite holders and courtside pay an extraordinary amount of money and expect to see both matches. People were understandably very upset in 2008 when they played Murray-Nadal on Armstrong. And even in 2008 when the forecast was for bad weather earlier in the day, they waited as long as they felt they could and started Murray well into the Fed match.
In addition, it is easier said then done. After Fed ended they had to contain a near riot situation outside as thousands of people tried to get into Armstrong. Do you think they want a repeat of that ? I think you are underestimating the insanity of a crowd and the importance of safety considerations.
It's just tennis at the end of the day. Everyone left safely. That has to take priority.
That is possible. But what viewers saw was Djokovic complaining and right away the match being stopped. But yeah, it's possible that the implications of a severe weather report hit the organizers at that exact same time, or that the city of NY called them just at that precise time. I just don't know.
obsessedtennisfandisorder
Professional
tshooter,
good post....i don't really have big issues with USTA per day
your points are well made about the actual saturday. although the 2008 situation i'm not exactly advocating...i'm just saying (and the OP too), that starting both semis same time was an option that needed looking at..it's happended at other slams...eg wimby in the 90's.
in 2001...wimby decided NOT to play both semis at same time and look what happened.
the key part where you say "they can't because of tv pressures, suites etc" is kind of the key part...kind of says it all really...
..why not a plan for this?
eg seperate tickets etc. partly refunded if paid for both but only got one etc..irony is if they did this....they could probably have mens final todayLOL
OVerall though..most of your post i dont disagree with...yesterday would not have been easy for organisers.
it's supersaturday alltogether i have argued against since the 90's.
cheers, obsessed.
good post....i don't really have big issues with USTA per day
your points are well made about the actual saturday. although the 2008 situation i'm not exactly advocating...i'm just saying (and the OP too), that starting both semis same time was an option that needed looking at..it's happended at other slams...eg wimby in the 90's.
in 2001...wimby decided NOT to play both semis at same time and look what happened.
the key part where you say "they can't because of tv pressures, suites etc" is kind of the key part...kind of says it all really...
..why not a plan for this?eg seperate tickets etc. partly refunded if paid for both but only got one etc..irony is if they did this....they could probably have mens final todayLOL
OVerall though..most of your post i dont disagree with...yesterday would not have been easy for organisers.
it's supersaturday alltogether i have argued against since the 90's.
cheers, obsessed.
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JoelDali
Talk Tennis Guru
By GEORGE VECSEY
Published: September 8, 2012
Say goodbye to Super Saturday, as we have known it. With its meteorological and emotional intensity, its drama kings and drama queens, Super Saturday has been the centerpiece of the United States Open for nearly three decades.
But this day of days is heading toward a multimillion-dollar extreme makeover of unknown structure. Next year the Open will try to please stars like Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal, by scheduling a day of rest between the semifinals and the finals for men and women.
Quite fittingly, this final edition of Super Saturday was haunted by weather, with warnings of extreme weather causing the day’s program to be ended at 5:11 p.m. and forcing the Open to be extended to Monday for the fifth straight year. This latest improvisation might serve as a tryout for a scheduled Monday final as soon as next year.
This last Super Saturday began with rain and warnings of severe weather, forcing fans and workers to seek cover and closing down the tennis center for about half an hour before the scheduled 11 a.m. start of play.
The threat of severe weather forced the women’s final between Serena Williams and Victoria Azarenka, scheduled for Saturday night, to be postponed until Sunday, which made sense. Given the ominous forecast, it made less sense to keep the Andy Murray-Tomas Berdych semifinal in Ashe Stadium (Murray won a long four-setter) and not move the David Ferrer-Novak Djokovic semifinal to Armstrong Stadium. That second match did not get out of the first set before storm warnings caused it to be postponed to Sunday.
David Brewer, the new tournament director, said he had hoped to get both matches in on Ashe without forcing fans to rush to an alternate match in the smaller Armstrong Stadium, which has happened in the past. There are other factors: the players, performers as well as competitors, do not like being shunted to a secondary stadium; and CBS understandably does not want both semifinals played simultaneously. Still, Open officials may have made the wrong decision after the 90-minute delay from the morning storm.
Turbulent weather in early September is not going to go away. But next year the format of the tournament is going to change.
“You have to start with the premise that players will get a day off between the semifinals and the finals,” Sean McManus, the chairman of CBS Sports, said Friday in a telephone interview.
McManus listed two options for the men — semifinals on Friday and final on Sunday, or semifinals on Saturday and final on Monday night — with the women’s finalists also getting a day off between matches, playing on Thursday and Saturday or on Friday and Sunday.
Many fans do not care if the men or the women have to play back-to-back — not at the money the players make. But the game has become more physical because of the players’ increased size and conditioning and the upgrade in firepower of the rackets. Contemporary tennis is more demanding on the players’ bodies.
The wonder is that the players piped up at all. They know that Saturday and Sunday are the best days for CBS, which has been showing this tournament since 1968. The three other Grand Slam tournaments, two with roofs over their main courts and the French Open with a roof in the planning stage, have long separated the semifinals and the finals, but the Open has stayed with a model of women’s semifinals on Friday and final on Saturday, and men’s semifinals on Saturday and final on Sunday.
“Super Saturday has provided the greatest platform for tennis,” Chris Widmaier, a spokesman for the United States Tennis Association, said last week.
“We recognize that the physicality of the game has changed,” he said. “We will provide a day of rest.”
Widmaier added, “We still have certain scenarios to work out.”
McManus, when asked about the economics of restructuring, said: “A lot of it is financial. We’re analyzing it. They are well aware of it.”
The Monday finals the past four years were a sweet coda to the hectic two weeks, but murder on ratings.
“I can tell you that Monday night is awful,” said Neal Pilson, who ran CBS Sports from 1981 through 1994 and is now a consultant and does not speak for the network.
Monday evening has belonged to the N.F.L. since Howard Cosell began emoting into the night in 1970. The longtime wisdom is that women will prefer alternative programming, which theoretically may include tennis.
Super Saturday became an instant sensation in 1984, when the men’s semifinals were sandwiched around the women’s final. The event was not yet billed as Super Saturday, just as the championship game of pro football was not named the Super Bowl when it came along after the 1966 season.
That Saturday in 1984 is still considered one of the great tennis days. It began with a bonus match between two former champions, Stan Smith and John Newcombe, not long past their prime.
In the first men’s semifinal, Ivan Lendl outlasted Pat Cash in five sets, two of them tiebreakers, while Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert hung out together in the locker room, waiting.
“Now, it seems inconceivable that we didn’t have a starting time for a final,” Navratilova wrote last week in an e-mail. “For me that was the most difficult thing. I think the Super Saturday was great for TV, and the fans, but horrible for all the players. Guys having to play such a big match at 11, then us and then the other semifinal where the winner is at a big disadvantage for Sunday. So a bad scenario all the way around for the players that brought the best day of tennis of the year for everyone else.”
The rivals shared Navratilova’s stash of bagels until they finally got on the court, and Navratilova prevailed after losing the first set. Then John McEnroe outlasted Jimmy Connors in five sets, ending at 11:16 p.m., 12 hours after Super Saturday began.
CBS has continued to sell this super day of tennis, with adventures along the way. In 1987, the women’s semifinals ran long on a Friday afternoon, and hearing that CBS might delay the first national evening newscast at 6:30 p.m., Dan Rather left the studio. When the match suddenly ended, through a series of glitches, CBS went dark for six long minutes.
The next morning, because of a forecast for bad weather, officials moved up the starting time for Super Saturday to 10 a.m. from 11 a.m. The two opponents scheduled for the early match, Stefan Edberg and Mats Wilander, felt aggrieved enough to stage a Swedish-style uprising, arriving 15 minutes late. That showed ’em.
In 1996, with the women’s final moved back to Sunday, Steffi Graf barely outlasted Monica Seles before a vicious gale lashed the center.
Now the male players are forcing the Open to rework its lucrative arrangement with CBS.
“You could make the argument that the reason these guys make so much money is from that exposure,” Pilson said, referring not only to prize money, but also to endorsements.
“If they change it, they change the economics of it,” Pilson continued.
“Life’s a trade-off,” he said.
The women have been making trade-offs, playing the semifinals and final back-to-back, although they play only best-of-three matches. In 2001, their final was given a separate time slot (and separate admission). CBS’s McManus happens to know that in the 11 years of a separate final, “we’ve never had more than two sets.” Maybe the demise of Super Saturday will make that happen. Or not.
Published: September 8, 2012
Say goodbye to Super Saturday, as we have known it. With its meteorological and emotional intensity, its drama kings and drama queens, Super Saturday has been the centerpiece of the United States Open for nearly three decades.
But this day of days is heading toward a multimillion-dollar extreme makeover of unknown structure. Next year the Open will try to please stars like Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal, by scheduling a day of rest between the semifinals and the finals for men and women.
Quite fittingly, this final edition of Super Saturday was haunted by weather, with warnings of extreme weather causing the day’s program to be ended at 5:11 p.m. and forcing the Open to be extended to Monday for the fifth straight year. This latest improvisation might serve as a tryout for a scheduled Monday final as soon as next year.
This last Super Saturday began with rain and warnings of severe weather, forcing fans and workers to seek cover and closing down the tennis center for about half an hour before the scheduled 11 a.m. start of play.
The threat of severe weather forced the women’s final between Serena Williams and Victoria Azarenka, scheduled for Saturday night, to be postponed until Sunday, which made sense. Given the ominous forecast, it made less sense to keep the Andy Murray-Tomas Berdych semifinal in Ashe Stadium (Murray won a long four-setter) and not move the David Ferrer-Novak Djokovic semifinal to Armstrong Stadium. That second match did not get out of the first set before storm warnings caused it to be postponed to Sunday.
David Brewer, the new tournament director, said he had hoped to get both matches in on Ashe without forcing fans to rush to an alternate match in the smaller Armstrong Stadium, which has happened in the past. There are other factors: the players, performers as well as competitors, do not like being shunted to a secondary stadium; and CBS understandably does not want both semifinals played simultaneously. Still, Open officials may have made the wrong decision after the 90-minute delay from the morning storm.
Turbulent weather in early September is not going to go away. But next year the format of the tournament is going to change.
“You have to start with the premise that players will get a day off between the semifinals and the finals,” Sean McManus, the chairman of CBS Sports, said Friday in a telephone interview.
McManus listed two options for the men — semifinals on Friday and final on Sunday, or semifinals on Saturday and final on Monday night — with the women’s finalists also getting a day off between matches, playing on Thursday and Saturday or on Friday and Sunday.
Many fans do not care if the men or the women have to play back-to-back — not at the money the players make. But the game has become more physical because of the players’ increased size and conditioning and the upgrade in firepower of the rackets. Contemporary tennis is more demanding on the players’ bodies.
The wonder is that the players piped up at all. They know that Saturday and Sunday are the best days for CBS, which has been showing this tournament since 1968. The three other Grand Slam tournaments, two with roofs over their main courts and the French Open with a roof in the planning stage, have long separated the semifinals and the finals, but the Open has stayed with a model of women’s semifinals on Friday and final on Saturday, and men’s semifinals on Saturday and final on Sunday.
“Super Saturday has provided the greatest platform for tennis,” Chris Widmaier, a spokesman for the United States Tennis Association, said last week.
“We recognize that the physicality of the game has changed,” he said. “We will provide a day of rest.”
Widmaier added, “We still have certain scenarios to work out.”
McManus, when asked about the economics of restructuring, said: “A lot of it is financial. We’re analyzing it. They are well aware of it.”
The Monday finals the past four years were a sweet coda to the hectic two weeks, but murder on ratings.
“I can tell you that Monday night is awful,” said Neal Pilson, who ran CBS Sports from 1981 through 1994 and is now a consultant and does not speak for the network.
Monday evening has belonged to the N.F.L. since Howard Cosell began emoting into the night in 1970. The longtime wisdom is that women will prefer alternative programming, which theoretically may include tennis.
Super Saturday became an instant sensation in 1984, when the men’s semifinals were sandwiched around the women’s final. The event was not yet billed as Super Saturday, just as the championship game of pro football was not named the Super Bowl when it came along after the 1966 season.
That Saturday in 1984 is still considered one of the great tennis days. It began with a bonus match between two former champions, Stan Smith and John Newcombe, not long past their prime.
In the first men’s semifinal, Ivan Lendl outlasted Pat Cash in five sets, two of them tiebreakers, while Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert hung out together in the locker room, waiting.
“Now, it seems inconceivable that we didn’t have a starting time for a final,” Navratilova wrote last week in an e-mail. “For me that was the most difficult thing. I think the Super Saturday was great for TV, and the fans, but horrible for all the players. Guys having to play such a big match at 11, then us and then the other semifinal where the winner is at a big disadvantage for Sunday. So a bad scenario all the way around for the players that brought the best day of tennis of the year for everyone else.”
The rivals shared Navratilova’s stash of bagels until they finally got on the court, and Navratilova prevailed after losing the first set. Then John McEnroe outlasted Jimmy Connors in five sets, ending at 11:16 p.m., 12 hours after Super Saturday began.
CBS has continued to sell this super day of tennis, with adventures along the way. In 1987, the women’s semifinals ran long on a Friday afternoon, and hearing that CBS might delay the first national evening newscast at 6:30 p.m., Dan Rather left the studio. When the match suddenly ended, through a series of glitches, CBS went dark for six long minutes.
The next morning, because of a forecast for bad weather, officials moved up the starting time for Super Saturday to 10 a.m. from 11 a.m. The two opponents scheduled for the early match, Stefan Edberg and Mats Wilander, felt aggrieved enough to stage a Swedish-style uprising, arriving 15 minutes late. That showed ’em.
In 1996, with the women’s final moved back to Sunday, Steffi Graf barely outlasted Monica Seles before a vicious gale lashed the center.
Now the male players are forcing the Open to rework its lucrative arrangement with CBS.
“You could make the argument that the reason these guys make so much money is from that exposure,” Pilson said, referring not only to prize money, but also to endorsements.
“If they change it, they change the economics of it,” Pilson continued.
“Life’s a trade-off,” he said.
The women have been making trade-offs, playing the semifinals and final back-to-back, although they play only best-of-three matches. In 2001, their final was given a separate time slot (and separate admission). CBS’s McManus happens to know that in the 11 years of a separate final, “we’ve never had more than two sets.” Maybe the demise of Super Saturday will make that happen. Or not.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Again, for me personally, I don't like the proposed solutions. I don't have any issues with how it currently works.
For example, your suggestion of separate tickets. It's been a concern I've had ever since I learned they are taking down LA. You think they don't look at The French and say, hey, three stadiums and three tickets.
I like to go and see it live. I don't want to pay for separate sessions or choose which semi to see.
I'm still semi-annoyed they messed with Super Saturday by making the Women's final is a separate session. As far as I'm concerned Super Saturday hasn't existed since they moved the Women's Final to the night and charged a separate session. Super Saturday meant two men's semis with the Women in the middle. It was one long session and it could go for 10+ hours. That was Super Saturday and I miss it.
I love the men's semis saturday and the finals sunday.
For example, your suggestion of separate tickets. It's been a concern I've had ever since I learned they are taking down LA. You think they don't look at The French and say, hey, three stadiums and three tickets.
I like to go and see it live. I don't want to pay for separate sessions or choose which semi to see.
I'm still semi-annoyed they messed with Super Saturday by making the Women's final is a separate session. As far as I'm concerned Super Saturday hasn't existed since they moved the Women's Final to the night and charged a separate session. Super Saturday meant two men's semis with the Women in the middle. It was one long session and it could go for 10+ hours. That was Super Saturday and I miss it.
I love the men's semis saturday and the finals sunday.
RF-17-GOAT
Semi-Pro
You just proved his point.
diggler
Hall of Fame
Would the US Open lose a lot of money if they played Joker on an outside court? Presumably there are no refunds and ticket holders just have to choose which match they want to watch.
As for TV, they could show a replay of the Joker match after the Murray match. Obviously it is not ideal as many people may not watch if they know the result, but it is better than nothing.
As for TV, they could show a replay of the Joker match after the Murray match. Obviously it is not ideal as many people may not watch if they know the result, but it is better than nothing.
diggler
Hall of Fame
If they want to make more money, they should run it over 16 days. They could start on the preceding Saturday and Sunday and string out the first round over 4 days. Maybe put some doubles on as well. Anyone still in a tournament from the previous week could have their first round on Monday / Tuesday.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
It's obvious now that the tourney organizers prefer a Monday men's final to a Sunday one. Sunday, all of America is paying attention to Week 1 NFL and the USO final is dwarfed. I smell funny business, they didn't want both semis to be completed on Saturday, period.
But won't a Monday final run into Monday Night Football? And far, far more people will watch, even against football, on a Sunday than on a Monday when they're at work. I would think a Monday final is not something the tournament organizers and especially the TV broadcasters want. Think of all the ticket refunds, the loss in revenue due to smaller attendance, etc.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
"If they want to make more money, they should run it over 16 days."
Actually they could pick up a cushion if it rains earlier in the tournament by completing the men's first round over 2 days like they used to do.
The tournament is already 20 days long (4 qualies, Ashe and Sunday before). They get a few days before and a few days after and then they have to get their USTA stuff out of there. As it is, they get almost a month for the Open plus many weekends for USTA related events.
It's a public facility.
Actually they could pick up a cushion if it rains earlier in the tournament by completing the men's first round over 2 days like they used to do.
The tournament is already 20 days long (4 qualies, Ashe and Sunday before). They get a few days before and a few days after and then they have to get their USTA stuff out of there. As it is, they get almost a month for the Open plus many weekends for USTA related events.
It's a public facility.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
MNF is still only one (or two) games, and people are more likely to be home channel surfing than on Sunday, when there's more NFL games going on and more to choose from. I thought they said the Monday final would be official in the future, can't find a link to it though.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/tennis/story?storyId=7635310&lang=ES&wjb=
That's all I could find. Also, starting the final at 4PM means it's over in enough time for MNF, barring a 4+ hour final.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Asked and answered, for years actually. Read.
Tanya
Hall of Fame
Nah, they need a roof.
darrinbaker00
Professional
You do realize that will never happen, right?
This is true, but ultimately they are morons because it's decisions like this that result in all kinds of negative consequences that make it more challenging to market this rapidly declining sport in the competitive and fickle US market and over time gradually chip away at the integrity of the sport. And that my friend, is bad for business.
I'm sure we all understand the role the tv networks play, but it's just unfortunate that short term gains are valued over what could be one of the greatest accomplishments in British sports. Murray should win, but I'm afraid that his victory will be diminished due to the extra day of rest before the final. I myself have been waiting for this possible moment since I first saw Murray as an eighteen year old. I used to joke to friends that he would win a slam eventually, but it would be because of some ridiculous scenario making his triumph void. Maybe it won't be that bad, but this isn't how I hoped Murray would end the British grand slam drought. And you can only imagine the level of failure and complete disappointment if he doesn't win against a weekend opponent. It's a lose lose scenario for Murray. I guess I should pull Djokovic/Ferrer then.
The second semi never had enough time to be completed and they knew it, therefore it shouldn't have been started.
Roof on Rod Laver and Margaret Court Arenas. Roof on Centre Court. Planned roof on Philippe Chatrier. Big Deal. We're going to put a roof over the whole BJK Center.
Yep, the USTA would approve this, and then the first time it had to be closed realize that it takes 4 hours to close and it's useless.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
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