USTA 4.0 or 4.5 ?

[Creighton]

You know you can beat someone in your same class 6-0 6-0 and that is to be expected if you are in the top of your class and someone else is in the bottom of the same class.

So I am watching some tennis and I see a 4.5 who has a very good winning record at that level get beat by a 4.0 and beat badly by some other people who say they are 4.5. See Essential tennis on youtube MEP is 4.5 and has a good winning record against 4.5s. Yet he lost to a 4.0 and lost pretty handily to some other 4.5s.

If you're talking about MEP's two big losses this year, both of those guys are probably 5.0s.

 

[Moon Shooter]

If you're talking about MEP's two big losses this year, both of those guys are probably 5.0s.

I am talking about MEP at essential tennis. I believe he lost a close match to a 4.0 (topher) and then by a wide margin to two 4.5s.

I think they are actually 4.5s Ian appealed a self rate. So he is in fact a 4.5. And I think they both honestly believe they are 4.5s. But like you I also think their honest belief is mistaken. Why is it mistaken? Because currently the USTA rating system does not publish the full ratings. Those guys probably know some 5.0s that could beat them like a drum so they reasonably think "I am not that good." If they saw the full rating they might see actually they are 5.12, MEP is 4.85 and Topher is 4.49 but because Topher wasn't surprised by meps style and could prepare for it that hellped him beat the odds. Ian an Brody would see yes just because they are getting beat by a person who is 5.45 that does not mean they couldn't possibly be 5.12 etc. The entire system would not seem like some bizarre nonesensical thing that people should ignore except to the extent it disqualifies them from playing tennis.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

I am talking about MEP at essential tennis. I believe he lost a close match to a 4.0 (topher) and then by a wide margin to two 4.5s.

I think they are actually 4.5s Ian appealed a self rate. So he is in fact a 4.5. And I think they both honestly believe they are 4.5s. But like you I also think their honest belief is mistaken. Why is it mistaken? Because currently the USTA rating system does not publish the full ratings. Those guys probably know some 5.0s that could beat them like a drum so they reasonably think "I am not that good." If they saw the full rating they might see actually they are 5.12, MEP is 4.85 and Topher is 4.49 but because Topher wasn't surprised by meps style and could prepare for it that hellped him beat the odds. Ian an Brody would see yes just because they are getting beat by a person who is 5.45 that does not mean they couldn't possibly be 5.12 etc. The entire system would not seem like some bizarre nonesensical thing that people should ignore except to the extent it disqualifies them from playing tennis.

Brody was a 5.0 who appealed down [not sure how long ago].

I think Brody would beat Ian fairly consistently.

Based on my experience at 4.5, Ian is correctly rated at 4.5. I think he would do poorly at 5.0 based on his results against Kevin, Ira, Mark, Adam, & Chris.

His initial rating of 5.0 was determined purely by his last published rating of 5.0 in 2013; that factor put a floor on how low his rating could go [it's possible it could have been even higher had he been younger and played at a higher level in college].

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