USTA 4.0s are now UTR 5s?

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
Seeing the men's UTR ratings for that tournament is one thing.

Then seeing that the lowest seeded female player is a UTR 9... The rest of the women are UTR 10-11. Just makes me feel like my tennis is pathetic looking at those UTR numbers. I wouldn't mind losing a double bagel to them though :)
The women's seeds are pretty strong this year, top to bottom. They've had years where individual pros have played, but the depth of the quality of women's players has never been better:

1 5-star 2018 (#17 nationally). Played #1 at Northwestern as a frosh.
2 5-star 2019 (#60 nationally). Going to Yale. She's probably a little overseeded by being a local high ranked junior.
3 5-star 2019 (#38 nationally). Going to Dartmouth. 2018 NJ girls state champion.
4 5-star 2016. Plays #2 for Boise St.
5 4-star 2017. Plays #1 for Rutgers
6 Defending Champ. Played for Youngstown St, now a professional coach. 5.0 A NTRP rated.
7 4-star 2018. Defending Runner-up. Plays #2 for Rutgers. 2017 NJ girls state champ.
8 4-star 2017. Plays #4 for Rutgers

The #1 is outstanding. She likely would have won the NJ state title multiple times, but never played high school tennis, and then walked right into the #1 role in the Big Ten as a frosh and made the 2nd round of the NCAAs. She'll be an NCAA contender in future years. Below her are multiple D1 players, girls state champs, and 4 and 5 star recruits, as well as the defending champ from last year all the way down at 6. The overall quality of the women's draw is way up this year.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
The women's seeds are pretty strong this year, top to bottom. They've had years where individual pros have played, but the depth of the quality of women's players has never been better:

1 5-star 2018 (#17 nationally). Played #1 at Northwestern as a frosh.
2 5-star 2019 (#60 nationally). Going to Yale. She's probably a little overseeded by being a local high ranked junior.
3 5-star 2019 (#38 nationally). Going to Dartmouth. 2018 NJ girls state champion.
4 5-star 2016. Plays #2 for Boise St.
5 4-star 2017. Plays #1 for Rutgers
6 Defending Champ. Played for Youngstown St, now a professional coach. 5.0 A NTRP rated.
7 4-star 2018. Defending Runner-up. Plays #2 for Rutgers. 2017 NJ girls state champ.
8 4-star 2017. Plays #4 for Rutgers

The #1 is outstanding. She likely would have won the NJ state title multiple times, but never played high school tennis, and then walked right into the #1 role in the Big Ten as a frosh and made the 2nd round of the NCAAs.
We have a hard time recruiting acadamy juniors and those higher level players to play in HS tennis. Just not enough competition and exposure for college recruiting. They just play the close L5-3 with hopes of getting in national L3-1's.
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
We have a hard time recruiting acadamy juniors and those higher level players to play in HS tennis. Just not enough competition and exposure for college recruiting. They just play the close L5-3 with hopes of getting in national L3-1's.
Yeah, that's not uncommon in NJ, either (and it's understandable, frankly), and it's more common for girls than boys because there are a significant amount of girls teams where there is just no competition. For example, this woman plays at Wake Forest now. Her high school (Millburn) won the state team title every year she was there. She only played for the team her freshman year and then again as a senior after she had her scholarship in hand. In the 2 years she played for the high school, she lost 14 games in 39 matches, and almost half of those were in one match against the 2 seed in this tournament. AND, not only does Millburn intentionally have the hardest schedule in the state every year, but she didn't even play in their league matches against the weaker teams. If you're a top level junior, it's easy to see how high school tennis can quickly become a waste of time.

http://highschoolsports.nj.com/player/anya-brylin/stats/girlstennis/girlstennis-2017/
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Seeing the men's UTR ratings for that tournament is one thing.

Then seeing that the lowest seeded female player is a UTR 9... The rest of the women are UTR 10-11. Just makes me feel like my tennis is pathetic looking at those UTR numbers. I wouldn't mind losing a double bagel to them though :)
Those are extremely high utr for females so you shouldn't feel bad, im suprized at such a strong competition on this general tournament?

Top professional WTA females are around UTR13
Rank 200-400 already UTR12 and bellow
Rank 600-1000 are mostly around UTR11 some even lower just over UTR10

Here in my country most junior girls u16 and u18 are from UTR7 to UTR9
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
Adding more results

4.5 Draw
13 YO UTR 7 def 4.5 C UTR 8 7-5 6-2
14 YO UTR 8 def 4.5 C UTR 7 6-0 6-1
4.0 C UTR 6 def 13 YO UTR 7 0-6 7-5 2-0 (ret)
4.5 S UTR UR def 13 YO UTR 7 6-0 6-0
18 YO UTR 6 def 4.0 C UTR 7 3-6 6-1 6-4
17 YO UTR 8 def 4.0 C UTR 6 6-0 6-2
4.5 C UTR 8 def 16 YO UTR 6 6-1 6-2
New Results:
14 YO UTR 8 def 4.5 C UTR 9 2-6 7-5 6-4
4.0 C UTR 7 def 14 YO UTR 8 6-0 6-3
4.5 S UTR UR def 13 YO UTR 7 6-1 6-3
4.5 C UTR 7 def 18 YO UTR 6 6-1 6-2

Open
5.5 S UTR 12 def 17 YO UTR 11 6-2 6-4
18 YO UTR 10 def 4.5 C UTR 9 6-3 6-4
17 YO UTR 10 def 4.5 C UTR 9 6-1 6-3
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Seems like utr is fairly accurate from juniors to adults more or less.

I wonder how it translates to girls vs boys
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
Seems like utr is fairly accurate from juniors to adults more or less.

I wonder how it translates to girls vs boys
For this tournament, it has been shockingly accurate, IMO. This tournament has separate men's & women's draws, so there is no intermingling of play on that dimension.
 
For this tournament, it has been shockingly accurate, IMO. This tournament has separate men's & women's draws, so there is no intermingling of play on that dimension.
Are the adults in the draw people that mostly play tournaments or people that generally play league only? Those that play a lot of these tournaments should theoretically have more accurate ratings relative to the juniors since they may play against them more often.
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
Are the adults in the draw people that mostly play tournaments or people that generally play league only? Those that play a lot of these tournaments should theoretically have more accurate ratings relative to the juniors since they may play against them more often.
All league players. I just used people in this comparison that I know are active league players. There are very few sanctioned NTRP tournaments here and low participation in them, so there are very few T-rated players.
 
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