USTA Chief Katrina Adams apologize Carlos Ramos for the US Open's Woman Final fallout.

BTURNER

Legend
I follow an old rule my Dad taught, if the offense is public, the apology should be just as public. if the offense was private, so should the apology be. The apology should be sincere, unexcused or unmitigated by 'explanation' or exposition, concise, and given under similar circumstances as the misdeed was.
 

The Stranger

New User
I follow an old rule my Dad taught, if the offense is public, the apology should be just as public. if the offense was private, so should the apology be. The apology should be sincere, unexcused or unmitigated by 'explanation' or exposition, concise, and given under similar circumstances as the misdeed was.
Proof that just because it is "old", doesn't mean it is not the way things should be done.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
it was an incredible poor choice of words on her part.
She meant exactly what she said.
Otherwise she'd have said "the controversy was regrettable" or "the dispute was regrettable". She said "outcome" and "we" because that's exactly what she meant. Totally detached from reality, she even applauded serena for being a noble champion. It's just breathtaking really, and they're trying to contort their way put of it.

Worst slam in ages.
 
Hi @MatsPhilander, I really hope your interpretation is the correct one, but I have to say my brain went in another direction entirely. I heard her saying it wasn't the outcome "we all wanted" (we being Americans) and I just felt it was wrong and it was cruel. Like oh hell, none of us wanted this Naomi person to win of all things! Anyway, only she knows what she actually meant and if you are right, I am glad.
She should be out of a job like the DBAG out at Indian Wells, same kind of difference.
 

MLRoy

Hall of Fame
Eventually Serena and the WTA will finally come to their senses and apologize to Carlos.

The sooner the better.
If the apology isn't sincere, what's the point? If they do, we'll all know it was for their benefit, not his.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I'm not quite sure what she is supposed to be apologising for. She is not responsible for wilful misinterpretation or the misbehaviour of the crowd.

Extending some sympathy to Ramos given the unfortunate situation mainly provoked by Williams' over-reaction would of course be appropriate.
 

Primavera

Rookie
Eventually Serena and the WTA will finally come to their senses and apologize to Carlos.

The sooner the better.
It won't change anything. They've already shown their rotten souls, and people will never forget it.

BTW all the apology should be public and in writing. Otherwise it's not worth a brazz farthing.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
They interviewed USTA Chief Katrina Adams before the Joe Kovic / Delpo match and she said her statement about "the outcome we all wanted" was directed at the controversy and the booing and not that Serena didn't win. In this case, I happen to believe her.
I would hope you're right.
However, poor judgement on her part.
A public figure will know any words are open to interpretation. And she has an Office behind her. Any official worth their salt would have double checked her speech beforehand.

I speak from experience.
 

Primavera

Rookie
They interviewed USTA Chief Katrina Adams before the Joe Kovic / Delpo match and she said her statement about "the outcome we all wanted" was directed at the controversy and the booing and not that Serena didn't win. In this case, I happen to believe her.
I happen to believe that a public figure should be educated enough to articulate her ideas clearly. If she is not capable of such a minor thing, what's going on in her head with respect to some more sophisticated staff?
 

Primavera

Rookie
I thought it was run pretty well this year especially for things that matter to fans such as how long it takes to get through the security lines (A+ this year) and movement of the crowd around the grounds (A for improvements done in connection with New Armstrong but overall B- because you must still navigate the food court maze.
Have you bothered to read the thread opener? For the entire world the US Open 2018 is closely associated with the scandal monger Serena Williams and the support rendered to her by two official organization - USTA and WTA.

Another close association is ugly behavior of Americal public highly biased and outwardly rude which made the champion Naomi Osaka cry during the award ceremony. If you want to have American champins only, rename this tournament to US Closed and play your games in your own kindergarten. And the grand slam tournament can be relocated to a better place where public organizations have nore justice, and public better manners.

Who cares about your security routine and foodstock outside the gates of the Flushing Meadows!
 

NEW_BORN

Hall of Fame
I follow an old rule my Dad taught, if the offense is public, the apology should be just as public. if the offense was private, so should the apology be. The apology should be sincere, unexcused or unmitigated by 'explanation' or exposition, concise, and given under similar circumstances as the misdeed was.
Wise words from dad.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
I'm not quite sure what she is supposed to be apologising for. She is not responsible for wilful misinterpretation or the misbehaviour of the crowd.

Extending some sympathy to Ramos given the unfortunate situation mainly provoked by Williams' over-reaction would of course be appropriate.
It's not "wilful misrepresentation" when her words are so open to misrepresentation.
She either knew this. Or she didn't.

Either way, unprofessional.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
...Who cares about your security routine and foodstock outside the gates of the Flushing Meadows!
Who cares ? Possibly people that want a picture of how the event unfolded for attendees in a watershed year with the new stadium and new night sessions and larger crowds and other changes. So, no, it wasn’t a mess as you said — overall the USTA did a good job.

Also it’s not my security routine it’s the USTAs (I assume in coordination with L.E.) and I have no clue what “foodstock outside the gates of Flushing Meadows” means.
 
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Worst moment is surely Seles stabbing?
But, yes, it's up there.
Yes agree, Seles stabbing was worse! That was committed by "deranged" fan of her opponent. At the USO, sirena, "the greatest champion in tennis history" did it to the game--she should know better after having committed the same offense and been fined for it. But, when you have the full backing of the head of the USTA and the WTA, queens katrina and BJK, what do you expect?!? They'll probably be renaming Arthur Ashe or Louis Armstrong stadiums in sirena's honor.

BTW, putting bartlbee on my ignore list. apparently his country of Freedonia has no tennis websites so he is forced to come to the USA to spew his hatred for the greatest country in history and to shill for sirena and nike. I'm also shredding my USTA card and will lobby for the tournaments I play in to break away from USTA--who need's 'em. I don't need a plastic card in my wallet to play tennis. Aso, it's great news that the umpire's will boycott sirena's matches--it's terrible working conditions, and being under the thumbs of bosses like sirena that brought about the creation of the organized labor movement. No human should be degraded and shamed on the world stage, as Carlos Ramos and other USTA officials have been at past sirena events.
 
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Enric Molina's take on the Ramos/Williams story is very interesting.

https://www.acast.com/thetennispodc...liams-usta-wtareaction-whatshouldhavehappened
It is great to see/hear another expert in umpiring explaining the intangibles in situations like that.

I especially liked how he didn't speculate about whether Ramos gave a "soft" warning, but instead described several scenarios how that could have been the case without even saying anything and also that sometimes the circumstances doesn't facilitate such.

Great interview.

Thank you for that.

:cool:
 
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PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Yes agree, Seles stabbing was worse! That was committed by "deranged" fan of her opponent. At the USO, sirena, "the greatest champion in tennis history" did it to the game--she should know better after having committed the same offense and been fined for it. But, when you have the full backing of the head of the USTA and the WTA, queens katrina and BJK, what do you expect?!? They'll probably be renaming Arthur Ashe or Louis Armstrong stadiums in sirena's honor.

BTW, putting bartlbee on my ignore list. apparently his country of Freedonia has no tennis websites so he is forced to come to the USA to spew his hatred for the greatest country in history and to shill for sirena and nike. I'm also shredding my USTA card and will lobby for the tournaments I play in to break away from USTA--who need's 'em. I don't need a plastic card in my wallet to play tennis. Aso, it's great news that the umpire's will boycott sirena's matches--it's terrible working conditions and being under the thumbs of bosses like sirena that create the organized labor movement. No human should be degraded and shamed on the world stage as Ramos and past lines people have been.
I think that Serena Williams (by her behaviour at the USO generally and not having 7 singles titles) has highlighted and strenghened the case for the Louis Armstrong Stadium to be named after Chris Evert.
For that Serena, I thank you. :)

And Evert being in the photos with both Williams and Osaka won't have hurt. :)
 

thrust

Hall of Fame
Grace and Class = Serena and Katrina
Katrina seems like a classy lady, no way though can Serena be described as graceful or classy on court. I do think some are a bit too critical of Katrina's comments after the final, even though I support Carlos. Being an American, Black, and probably a friend of Serena, it is natural and understandable that she would initially support Serena. If she did apologize to Carlos, then good for her!
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The name of the stadium is rather a unique piece of history, so the suggestion is ridiculous.

Your connecting the proposed name change and the Williams incident is based on what argument exactly?

I think that Serena Williams (by her behaviour at the USO generally and not having 7 singles titles) has highlighted and strenghened the case for the Louis Armstrong Stadium to be named after Chris Evert.
For that Serena, I thank you. :)

And Evert being in the photos with both Williams and Osaka won't have hurt. :)
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I've already suggested that this story is based on a twitter report and that it is therefore a very slight piece of evidence to hang a news item on.

So you are too late with your argument and it is still driven by propaganda terms that reveal you to be a person too lazy to think for yourself.

Unless it fits your SJW narrative then any garbage on Twitter is still to be held as the absolute truth.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
The name of the stadium is rather a unique piece of history, so the suggestion is ridiculous.

Your connecting the proposed name change and the Williams incident is based on what argument exactly?
Do I need an argument? You have enough for both of us.
Have a good weekend
:)
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Katrina seems like a classy lady, no way though can Serena be described as graceful or classy on court. I do think some are a bit too critical of Katrina's comments after the final, even though I support Carlos. Being an American, Black, and probably a friend of Serena, it is natural and understandable that she would initially support Serena. If she did apologize to Carlos, then good for her!
I agree she does seem classy.
Except she wasn't there as a friend.
 

BorgCash

Legend
I'm not quite sure what she is supposed to be apologising for. She is not responsible for wilful misinterpretation or the misbehaviour of the crowd.

Extending some sympathy to Ramos given the unfortunate situation mainly provoked by Williams' over-reaction would of course be appropriate.
She is supposed to be apologizing for her misbehavior of Osaka and all this awful organization by USTA.
 

BorgCash

Legend
How about apologizing also to the entire country? This is Japan's first grand slam title, but the country's glorious moment has been completely robbed by a big cry baby.
As I watched this awful situation (actually I could not believe my eyes, I never imagine that smth like this could ever happened), all these officials did not care about neither certain player or whole country.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
How about apologizing also to the entire country? This is Japan's first grand slam title, but the country's glorious moment has been completely robbed by a big cry baby.
I wonder what the media interpretation in Japan is?
 

Rattler

Hall of Fame
She meant exactly what she said.
Otherwise she'd have said "the controversy was regrettable" or "the dispute was regrettable". She said "outcome" and "we" because that's exactly what she meant. Totally detached from reality, she even applauded serena for being a noble champion. It's just breathtaking really, and they're trying to contort their way put of it.

Worst slam in ages.
Well it’s probably a good thing she’s about to step down as USTA President then...
 

Rattler

Hall of Fame
USTA membership is due this next year, and not renewing. Also not signing up for leagues. I don't need to see my recreational funds used to fund this abysmal kind of player pandering from a governing body.

Katrina can go pound sand for her hand in this cluster-f.
You sound almost as mad as my umpire friends...
 
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