USTA league tennis, pay to play?


I thought this interview needed a revisit.

I think this captain was going for a 4.5 title, I might be wrong. But, the reply here to a comment is refreshingly honest, and I will quote it here:

" damn straight. supreme court ruled college athletes get paid. happy to help put guys who need money through school to win in tennis. no rules against. Look at Steinbrenner. Guy is a hero and the Yankees are a dynasty. The Key is I have no unfair advantage as other captains have the same opportunities to fly eligible guys in, or pay for their practices. I got the cash, they need the money. We love to win. That's the basis of the greatness of the American economy right there. Free trade and excellence. Nominal (someone's youtube comment he replied to ) get your game up and Ill let you try out for the greatest tennis organization in the country!! "

My quick observations: Only 950 ish views

If it was 4.5 I think he lost to the Memphis crew

If it was 4.0 he lost to someone else

Fowkes, have to give him credit for winning, but take away some credit from Fowkes for not flat out admitting he is doing the same thing, or close to it, with more success.

I give this guy tons of credit for just admitting what he is doing, and maybe he is right, if it's within the rules, why not? He isn't hurting anyone.

Are some tennis players in college, "earning" a better scholarship playing USTA tennis than NCAA tennis, probably , since a lot of tennis scholarships are very small.

Thoughts?
 
cool interview... i actually have a buddy that plays on his team.
if he is paying his team's expenses, i don't see anything wrong with it..
i've been on a team before (4.0 i think) where the capt was a retiree, and would do something similar.
i would do it in a heartbeat if it was something that meant that much to me...
 
cool interview... i actually have a buddy that plays on his team.
if he is paying his team's expenses, i don't see anything wrong with it..
i've been on a team before (4.0 i think) where the capt was a retiree, and would do something similar.
i would do it in a heartbeat if it was something that meant that much to me...
I think he is paying for their college tuition, perhaps your buddy needs to renegotiate?
 
Unless there are section/national rules regarding team makeup from out of the area, yeah, doesn't seem to be against the rules. And while one could conjure up rules about paying for players costs/travel/etc. hard to enforce those without making it a formal professional style thing with salary caps or something along those lines.
 
He’s promoting tennis so I don’t see much wrong with it.

The reality is that few competitions in life are fair.

For example, take high school team tennis. The school that wins the state title is always going to be a public school from an affluent neighborhood or be an expensive private school.

Should they do anything to even out the rules so that schools in middle class or low income neighborhoods can compete on even playing field for the state title?
 
He’s promoting tennis so I don’t see much wrong with it.

The reality is that few competitions in life are fair.

For example, take high school team tennis. The school that wins the state title is always going to be a public school from an affluent neighborhood or be an expensive private school.

Should they do anything to even out the rules so that schools in middle class or low income neighborhoods can compete on even playing field for the state title?
Well, they have different divisions for different sized schools to try to even the playing field.
 
Unless there are section/national rules regarding team makeup from out of the area, yeah, doesn't seem to be against the rules. And while one could conjure up rules about paying for players costs/travel/etc. hard to enforce those without making it a formal professional style thing with salary caps or something along those lines.
I don't personally want rules against it, this is awesome.
 
Couldn't be bothered to watch 34 mins worth. But based on the synopsis...

I don't object, but I think the money could be better spent on local players.

In the past when I captained teams, I've paid for other players' USTA and team fees, and covered their court costs. These were all local younger players that were struggling financially, and I was able to afford it. I viewed it as giving back to the sport. It was more about helping them be able to play at all, more so than winning.

Paying to fly players in from out of town seems like not the best use of the money. With the same amount, you could help out many more local players.

Then again, I'm not one to tell other people how to spend their money.
 
Paying to fly players in from out of town seems like not the best use of the money. With the same amount, you could help out many more local players.
Agreed.

Texas has a rule to address out of town players. I'm guessing the rule exists to combat this sort of behavior of creating "super teams" by bringing in outside talent.

Texas Regulation: Out of Area Players. A team may have one player outside the 50-mile radius of a large city, Fort Worth, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, Houston and North Houston. All other cities can have a maximum of two players outside the 50-mile radius from the center of the city. A player is NOT considered out of area if the area where the player resides is without a league/division for the past three years.
 
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The question is, what if any obligation does the USTA have to ensure there is something of a level playing field?

And if they don't, will that affect participation as some captains/players decide there is no point as they can't compete?
I'd say the team was level or close to fair if it didn't dominate nationals. From a non-stat head, just a tennis nerd, 4.5 is a level where there is less room for really bad sandbagging, like you need to bring some really really really good out of level people to beat/dominate all the 4.5 teams finding themselves at nationals in the same manner Fowkes did at 4.0.

I don't think this is impacting participation. It's just interesting. I mean, take my little Utah trip, even some tennis players in Salt Lake City didn't know the 3 peat 4.0 champs were there, in that city. Maybe, maybe, some teams going up against Fowkes , once they make nationals and start researching it or in hindsight wonder how their team got demolished by this Utah team , maybe that would take the fun out of it, but this particular team in the video didn't' even win it all, probably no one knew about it unless they saw the video and that has hardly any views.
 
So is this not a rule outside of Texas? Shouldn’t all sections play by the same rules?
Maybe, So, I know one guy who was tanking to play mixed and was going to sectionals and nationals on multiple teams for decade or more, they made a a local rule that no one could go to sectionals on more than 2 teams or some such in consecutive seasons. That rule was really for him. Just a Dallas rule.

Also a woman, nice gal, but she got a little obsessed with mixed, she was on and captaining teams in FT Worth and Dallas at the same time, so they made rules for everyone but really aimed at her behavior. Also just a DFW rule.

So, for sure each tiny area can have local rules.
 
Of course it adheres to the letter of the rules. All "smart" captains do that. That's actually what this (and Fowkes, etc) is all about. The ego of the captain proving that he's "smarter" than everyone else. But the ringers themselves obviously know they are out of level too (Fowkes' ringers are now NTRP 5.0). Why a 5.0 would want to beat up on 4.0's in a city across the country for a plastic trophy is beyond me. What a waste of time.

What they are doing obviously doesn't adhere to the spirit of the rules. Which you can say is a foolish thought on my part (and that I'm just being naïve). All smart people "weaponize" the rules for their advantage. It's the "American Dream". It's only suckers that "play by the rules".
 
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So is this not a rule outside of Texas? Shouldn’t all sections play by the same rules?
Sections, and even districts, are given the leeway in a number of areas to select from options in the Nationals regulations, or implement specific rules that make sense for their respective area. Roster requirements is one of those they have some leeway on. Sparsely populated areas are probably more likely to have less stringent rules while populated areas can get away with stricter rules and not affect participation.
 
The question is, what if any obligation does the USTA have to ensure there is something of a level playing field?
I think ensuring a level playing field on a monetary basis is a much smaller concern relative to the issues of self rate abuse and tanking which continue to go largely unchecked.
 
Does Texas have a higher incidence of cases where captains don’t play by the spirit of the rules? It seems like a lot of the posts here are about Texas teams or one guy from Utah.
 
Well, they have different divisions for different sized schools to try to even the playing field.
still ends up being the affluent neighborhoods, whose kids go to academies daily, that usually win (at least by me,... when i'm watching my V & JV teams compete)
 
Why a 5.0 would want to beat up on 4.0's in a city across the country for a plastic trophy is beyond me.
camaraderie/social
captain, or someone on the team is usually recruiting a friend, and that sandbagger is basically just going to hang out with buddies, maybe some beers afterwards, and play some tennis...
i just had a convo with someone recently... (a sandbagger 2-3 ntrp levels out of band... basically he's gonna play on a friend's team he went to college with) - we were discussing the optimal way to manage scores :P
i suggested winning 7-6, 0-6, 1-0
 
Being in Kansas City, he has a disadvantage compared to LA or Dallas where they have a larger sample of tennis players and more available courts.
But in the interview he talks a lot about New York where he works? So maybe he plays both districts?

I think this is his team


From what I see, he's not pulling ex-pros but legitimate 4.5s?
 
Does Texas have a higher incidence of cases where captains don’t play by the spirit of the rules? It seems like a lot of the posts here are about Texas teams or one guy from Utah.
I'm sure Cali and FL do things (was the funny story of a Cali team sending a player to nationals who wasn't on the team, ia ringer impersonating another player lol they got caught), other states too, I just know TX well so it probably seems TX is an outlier since i post what i know. Although most people might not realize that Dallas has more people living there than a majority of all the States in the US and the building growth has made the city larger in land mass than the entire. state of Connecticut.

I got all my a lot of info from an old Dallas tennis blog that religiously chronicled all the unique captains and their tactics, and some info from personal knowledge.
 
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Being in Kansas City, he has a disadvantage compared to LA or Dallas where they have a larger sample of tennis players and more available courts.
But in the interview he talks a lot about New York where he works? So maybe he plays both districts?

I think this is his team


From what I see, he's not pulling ex-pros but legitimate 4.5s?
For sure, KC is small, but little old Memphis won it, Memphis is tiny, probably smaller than KC.
 
50-60% mental? I think he is confusing muscle memory with "mental."

And did he say something like 4.5 is the most competitive rec tennis? I thought there were 5.0 leagues. Not in my area but we don’t even have a 4.0 league. I’m just not sure what he is saying. It is still level based play and pep talks and ssris are not going to make up for the difference between a team of low end 4.5 players and top end players ready to be bumped.

We can say 4.5 is great tennis or not. It is what it is but it is *skill* level based.
 
50-60% mental? I think he is confusing muscle memory with "mental."

And did he say something like 4.5 is the most competitive rec tennis? I thought there were 5.0 leagues. Not in my area but we don’t even have a 4.0 league. I’m just not sure what he is saying. It is still level based play and pep talks and ssris are not going to make up for the difference between a team of low end 4.5 players and top end players ready to be bumped.

We can say 4.5 is great tennis or not. It is what it is but it is *skill* level based.
He has a little bit of salesman in him, or ego, I mean he referenced his team as "the greatest tennis organization in the country". I'd say he needs to out Fowkes, Fowkes, to even claim that his teams are the greatest USTA teams, I'd never call individual USTA league teams an "organization". Perhaps he views it as the NBA or NFL or whatever, we will have to wait for the NEtflix documentary to find out!
 
For sure, KC is small, but little old Memphis won it, Memphis is tiny, probably smaller than KC.
Memphis is about 600k people. It is the fifth largest city in the southeast.

You won't be able to have a team of 450 players that are about to get bumped to 5.0. You can only play 8 guys per match. So having a bunch more then you need won't help. Memphis is clearly big enough to meet the threshold.
 
Memphis is about 600k people. It is the fifth largest city in the southeast.

You won't be able to have a team of 450 players that are about to get bumped to 5.0. You can only play 8 guys per match. So having a bunch more then you need won't help. Memphis is clearly big enough to meet the threshold.


Memphis to me is tiny and all I meant was it is smaller than KC, just giving an example of a smaller area winning in response to a suggestion that Kansas needs help winning versus LA or Dallas bc of population. Yes, really small areas are out of luck for sure, especially at 4.5.
 
Regarding Memphis vs Kansas City.

The Memphis team that won was in a flight of just four teams. One opposing team had a roster reasonably full of 4.5s, but another was just over half 4.0s, and the last was under 40% 4.5s. And I show there were only 35 male 4.5s at year-end that played USTA League. Not exactly a large burgeoning league nor a large pool of 4.5s to pull from.

The Kansas City team played in a flight with 9 teams, over twice as many. And most teams were a very high percentage or fully filled with 4.5s, just a couple had down around 50-60% 4.5.s. And I show there were 153 male 4.5s at year-end that played USTA League in the area.
 
Regarding Memphis vs Kansas City.

The Memphis team that won was in a flight of just four teams. One opposing team had a roster reasonably full of 4.5s, but another was just over half 4.0s, and the last was under 40% 4.5s. And I show there were only 35 male 4.5s at year-end that played USTA League. Not exactly a large burgeoning league nor a large pool of 4.5s to pull from.

The Kansas City team played in a flight with 9 teams, over twice as many. And most teams were a very high percentage or fully filled with 4.5s, just a couple had down around 50-60% 4.5.s. And I show there were 153 male 4.5s at year-end that played USTA League in the area.
Yes, definitely the creme of the crop in Memphis tennis, really solid players. One guy I never played with or against was from Mississippi, not sure if he moved or just joined up, happens a lot though since Arkansas/MS/Memphis are all right there within 100 miles give or take .
 
The question is, what if any obligation does the USTA have to ensure there is something of a level playing field?

And if they don't, will that affect participation as some captains/players decide there is no point as they can't compete?
I think it is important to step back and look at the bigger picture before we drill down on a specific issue and USTA's role.
USTA is the official USA tennis organization. Because of that they have received billions of dollars from various royalties due to exclusive rights that has granted them. They have an overall obligation to support tennis in this country. That is their job and their purpose.

What do they do to promote tennis? If we just look at the titles and descriptions of the top executives it suggests they do quite a bit to subsidize families with promising juniors? Are these families so poor and need to be subsidized? I don't know. Is buying and maintaining a huge complex in Orlando and investing in real estate in other individual cities the way to go? Again I don't know for sure. That said USTA clearly does not care about Adult rec tennis.

USTA does not even have someone in charge of adult recreational tennis. (At least last time I checked if there is someone now then let me know.) So no one is making goals or being held accountable. They just have Adult Rec Tennis going as a sort of tack on/medal program. "Look at all we do for tennis" They basically react to minor complaints and issues raised by a few angry people from time to time with no overall vision or thought on how their Adult rec tennis programs might be expanded or improved. If anyone is aware of any such statement or strategy let me know.

Their actions indicate they do not think adult rec tennis is important for tennis in this country. They have been talking about this world tennis number for years and look at what a complete joke it is. Every chess site in the world has a rating system that instantly calculates ratings for thousands to millions of games much more accurately. And these guys take *years* to put up this grotesque and poorly thought out system? Who is responsible for that dismal failure?

Schmke I bet you have done more simulations and predictions of their rating system then USTA just for the love of tennis and to make a few bucks on the side with your reports - which are very reasonably priced by the way. So when you make a suggestion does USTA say hey this guy is someone who understands the system and should be listened to? Does USTA reach out and say hey this is a guy passionate about our adult rec tennis lets see if we can get him involved? Same with the guys at TR. From what I hear they get defensive and offer a cold shoulder. There are tons of statisticians/programmers who could design a transparent rating system that would give tennis players legitimate and objective goals for almost nothing as compared to their overall budget or even the amount they collect in adult dues per year. There is no excuse for this but no one is accountable.

Adult rec players are the people that will introduce their children grand children and nieces and nephews to the game. Adult rec players are the backbone of tennis in the United States.

As for this issue I think USTA is fine allowing teams to recruit if they want for some sections. But maybe have other types of play where that is not allowed. There are tens of millions of adult rec tennis players USTA can and should offer all sorts of programs and leagues.

I have nothing against this guy in the video even though I don't understand him. It's a free country and we all have our dreams. I hope he continues to pursue his - I doubt my own tennis dreams would withstand any sort of objective scrutiny. Especially since I want to somehow get good enough to win a super-bowl ring.

Couldn't be bothered to watch 34 mins worth. But based on the synopsis...

I don't object, but I think the money could be better spent on local players.

In the past when I captained teams, I've paid for other players' USTA and team fees, and covered their court costs. These were all local younger players that were struggling financially, and I was able to afford it. I viewed it as giving back to the sport. It was more about helping them be able to play at all, more so than winning.

Paying to fly players in from out of town seems like not the best use of the money. With the same amount, you could help out many more local players.

Then again, I'm not one to tell other people how to spend their money.

I had a player move to Atlanta (after the regular season but before regionals) and we were going to have to default a court at tri level regionals because all the other 3.0s couldn't make it. So I was going to pay for his plane ticket - I really wanted to go to San Diego! (But it was not to be) He ended up coming out and playing and worked it out with his work schedule so I didn't have to pay for the ticket.

But yes in general paying to fly players is not how I can ever imagine spending my own money. But like you I'm not one to tell other people how to spend their money. And as far as I care he should be able to pursue his dream of winning 4.5 nationals however he wants. There are far worse dreams.
 
USTA does not even have someone in charge of adult recreational tennis. (At least last time I checked if there is someone now then let me know.) So no one is making goals or being held accountable. They just have Adult Rec Tennis going as a sort of tack on/medal program. "Look at all we do for tennis" They basically react to minor complaints and issues raised by a few angry people from time to time with no overall vision or thought on how their Adult rec tennis programs might be expanded or improved. If anyone is aware of any such statement or strategy let me know.
I don't think this is a fair statement. See https://www.usta.com/en/home/about-usta/usta-leadership/national/usta-executive-staff.html for some information on the org and structure and adult tennis most certainly has people in charge of it within the Community Tennis organization. Specifically, I believe adult tennis falls under the Senior Director, Play & Competition and there are staff within that specifically allocated to adult recreational tennis. You can make the argument you don't agree with what they are doing, but someone is in charge.
Schmke I bet you have done more simulations and predictions of their rating system then USTA just for the love of tennis and to make a few bucks on the side with your reports - which are very reasonably priced by the way. So when you make a suggestion does USTA say hey this guy is someone who understands the system and should be listened to? Does USTA reach out and say hey this is a guy passionate about our adult rec tennis lets see if we can get him involved?
I do talk with my local, section, and even national staff from time to time and I know some read my blog. How much do they take from my comments or what I write? I can't say, but at least at times I've felt my feedback has been listened to and valued.
 
I don't think this is a fair statement. See https://www.usta.com/en/home/about-usta/usta-leadership/national/usta-executive-staff.html for some information on the org and structure and adult tennis most certainly has people in charge of it within the Community Tennis organization. Specifically, I believe adult tennis falls under the Senior Director, Play & Competition and there are staff within that specifically allocated to adult recreational tennis. You can make the argument you don't agree with what they are doing, but someone is in charge.
Who?

I say I see no goals or strategy for Adult tennis and I am not even sure anyone is in charge of Adult rec tennis in particular and you say I am unfair. You then link to a huge list of positions that some may have to do with Adult rec tennis while most clearly do not.

Do you think Matt Barnhardt is in charge?

What has he communicated about where he wants Adult rec tennis to go? I googled him and see much of his tennis involved juniors:

“The JTT National Championships are an annual celebration of team tennis, bringing together some of the nation’s top junior players,” said Matt Barnhart, Senior Manager, Team Competition, USTA. “Each of the teams have advanced from the local level and through their Section to reach Nationals, allowing the players to make lifelong memories on and off the court.”



"What’s the ITF World Tennis Number and How Do I Prepare? (7:00 PM ET)

Matt Barnhart, USTA Director of Recreational Competition, explains more about the new and exciting ITF World Tennis Number (WTN) and how it will be used in the USTA Junior Pathway."

https://newyorktennismagazine.com/article/usta-eastern-tennis-conference-returns-person-2022/

"CONTACT

Matt Barnhart

National Manager, USTA Junior Team Tennis

(914) 697-2239"


Was he the National Manager, of "USTA Junior Team Tennis" and they just dropped the Junior and tacked on Adult tennis as well?

This is exactly what I would suspect. They are all about juniors. UTR is doing something decent with Junior tennis so they are trying to shut it down. When is he going to have a talk about why the WTN is such a disaster at actually predicting outcomes for adult rec players?

If you think I am being unfair about USTA's not having an overall plan or strategy for adult rec tennis then fill me in.

What is the plan and the goals? Are there any? If he is in charge of adult rec tennis why is he talking about junior tennis so much? Doesn't adult rec tennis deserve its own head?



I do talk with my local, section, and even national staff from time to time and I know some read my blog. How much do they take from my comments or what I write? I can't say, but at least at times I've felt my feedback has been listened to and valued.

That's good. I feel the same way about the people I talk to at USTA. They are all good people, but I still would like to see some sort of actual game plan/goals and thoughts for adult rec tennis.
 
I should have been clearer. My comment about an unfair statement was your saying no one was in charge and clearly there is an organization with someone in charge of it. Your gripe is more about the lack of transparency on the plan and strategy and that may be a fair observation. And like I said, even if someone is in charge, you can still disagree with what they are doing.
 
I say I see no goals or strategy for Adult tennis and I am not even sure anyone is in charge of Adult rec tennis in particular
Would Craig Morris, CEO of USTA Community Tennis fit the bill?

Craig Morris, Chief Executive at the United States Tennis Association (USTA), oversees all aspects of Community Tennis, including adult tennis, league tennis, youth tennis, USTA tournaments, and all other areas for growing grassroots participation in the sport.
 
I should have been clearer. My comment about an unfair statement was your saying no one was in charge and clearly there is an organization with someone in charge of it. Your gripe is more about the lack of transparency on the plan and strategy and that may be a fair observation. And like I said, even if someone is in charge, you can still disagree with what they are doing.


I think I could have been clearer as well. There should be someone in charge of USTA adult rec tennis. This person's *sole* focus should be USTA adult rec tennis. They should have goals and plans for adult rec tennis. Who is that person?

If you have 300k people paying $44/year in order to play in the leagues then that is @$13 million/ year. I know that is almost nothing compared to USTA revenue as a whole. But it is it's own thing and it is the size of a small/medium business on its own. Tacking it on to someone who is primarily focused on junior tennis is not living up to their "obligation" on a much grander scale then being concerned about some captain sandbagging or flying players around.


Making good adult leagues that can appeal to adult tennis players throughout the country is just a different thing then setting up after school programs or working with schools, junior tennis academies, and parents. And although I understand 13 million revenue per year is nothing for USTA as a whole they could do quite a bit to greatly expand adult rec leagues if they actually used to that money to focus on them. I forgot how may adults play rec tennis but what we were thinking it was about 1% that play adult leagues? There is no question that they could increase that by 3 to 5 xs if they created a few more systems.

Have they decided adult rec tennis is so unimportant that 1% is fine? Do they have any goals to increase participation? What happened to WTN and what are they doing to fix it? Why after so many *years* of planning and implementation is it sitting like a heap of junk?

I like everyone in my local and regional area that I talked to from USTA. But they don't know the answer to these questions either. The only time USTA talks about adult rec tennis is reactive. So and so got mad about this alleged sandbagger - well they "respond" to that. So and so wants to see the dynamic ratings and they "respond" to that. They are only addressing the concerns of the less then one percent of adult tennis players that play league. Who is thinking about why so many players are choosing not to play in leagues altogether - and what conclusions have they come to? What is the vision? Who is in charge of creating the vision for adult rec tennis?

At one point Heather from USTA said she will listen to someone complain and then see that they are on like 7 teams a year and so she pretty much dismisses what they say. Well who is the person listening to why people don't play? Are they also dismissed? Who really gets listened to the guy that plays on one or 2 teams a year?

Yes sure I might not agree with the person. But we are not even at a point where they care enough to hire a person to talk about the vision.
 

No he is even further removed then Matt Barnhardt. I tend to doubt anyone is hired to focus on and lead adult Adult rec tennis. Adult rec tennis seems forever to just be a tack-on. As you can see from his paragraph they can't even say one accomplishment for adult rec tennis. His accomplishments are all junior tennis this junior tennis that.

And I am not necessarily saying USTA can't continue to focus on Junior tennis. I just think it is incredibly irresponsible for the promotion of tennis in America to not have *anyone* specifically addressing the needs and desires of the tens of millions of adult rec players.
 
I doubt Matt Barnhart is an individual contributor and he alone is responsible for all community play and competition. I imagine he has staff reporting to him with responsibility for specific areas and I imagine there is one (or more) with a focus on adult leagues and/or tournaments.

The better question is if they are empowered to fix things on their own or what the organizational framework is they have to navigate to implement changes. So in this regard, perhaps you are right, there is no one person that is solely responsible for adult league play that also has the ability to make any changes they want on their own. Right or wrong, I don't think that is how the USTA or many organizations work.
 
Running and expanding USTA adult rec leagues has very little to do with Running the US open, or talking to parents about a promising junior that wants to be a pro player or play in college. They could sell off the whole adult rec tennis part of USTA's operations and the other parts would not be effected at all.

You are talking about who has authority to make changes. But my question is it even in *anyone's job description* (whether it is a group or a single person) to even consider or try to analyze whether any changes should be made to adult rec tennis? Does anyone try to set goals or look at trends or try expand this operation? When Adult tennis is just a tack-on to your main job your approach will just be to just to put out fires and "check the box." If an idea bubbles up randomly ok. But if your main job is to find and develop national strategies to increase adult rec tennis (whether it is one person or a team) then that is different. USTA has no such person or team. At a national level they only have people who had adult rec tennis tacked-on to their other job duties.

You don't think what I say is how many organizations work, and I disagree. I think adult rec tennis is sort of like a subsidiary or division of a company without anyone whose job is to focus on that division or subsidiary. Very few companies would own a 13 million dollar/year subsidiary company or division, that runs an operation this distinct from their other work, without giving that subsidiary/division some executive officers or team whose job it is to focus specifically on developing that division's line of business/interests.
 
The better question is if they are empowered to fix things on their own or what the organizational framework is they have to navigate to implement changes.
Agreed.

I suspect some of the work of "promoting adult tennis" gets push down to local community tennis associations to implement. It would be interesting to see the national USTA plan/strategy to promote it.
 
Agreed.

I suspect some of the work of "promoting adult tennis" gets push down to local community tennis associations to implement. It would be interesting to see the national USTA plan/strategy to promote it.

It would also be interesting to see Santa Claus.
 
I did like USTA's recent change from men's 40+ from 1single 3doubles to 1singles 4 doubles. It was nice to not have to worry about 2-2 ties anymore.
I'd rather have 3 dubs/2singles but I'm glad they didn't make it 1 single and 2 doubles...
 
I did like USTA's recent change from men's 40+ from 1single 3doubles to 1singles 4 doubles. It was nice to not have to worry about 2-2 ties anymore.

That is what I mean by putting out fires. They changed the courts to even numbers for 40 and over, people didn't like the tiebreak rules, so they made another change. Minor reactions like that are not what I consider having any sort of vision or plan. It's no going to have much effect on overall numbers of people playing in leagues.
 
Regarding Memphis vs Kansas City.

The Memphis team that won was in a flight of just four teams. One opposing team had a roster reasonably full of 4.5s, but another was just over half 4.0s, and the last was under 40% 4.5s. And I show there were only 35 male 4.5s at year-end that played USTA League. Not exactly a large burgeoning league nor a large pool of 4.5s to pull from.

The Kansas City team played in a flight with 9 teams, over twice as many. And most teams were a very high percentage or fully filled with 4.5s, just a couple had down around 50-60% 4.5.s. And I show there were 153 male 4.5s at year-end that played USTA League in the area.


Interesting. The number of players playing doesn't always closely reflect the pool of players they can pull from when they decide to make a team. Did Memphis have many close matches against the 4.0s? Someone was saying their area will put in some 4.0 teams to help keep the ratings down. Having more teams can just mean more of the better players are split between teams instead of concentrated in on an A team.
 
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