Usta rating question

Newplayer

New User
Hello everyone, this is my first post here. The new ratings are supposed to be published tomorrow. I have a question and I hope you guys know the answer. Can the state coordinator change someone’s rating because someone Complains that he is tanking to stay down Without notifying the person? Or if the state coordinator has to talk to the player first?
Does the state coordinator has that power to change someone’s rating?
 

Rusbus

New User
No.....Once you get computer rated you are computer rated.....There is no "appeal" that can be done in person/writing.
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
No.....Once you get computer rated you are computer rated.....There is no "appeal" that can be done in person/writing.
This is mostly correct. At some level, which I believe is at least sectional coordinator, someone can change a player's rating to whatever they want. With that said, it's going to take more than someone complaining that a player is too good in order to get a change done. There has to be some kind of actual evidence. There was a thread on here some time ago somewhere where a person falsified a self-rating then tanked the rest of the season to get a C rating then came out an dominated the next year. When a grievance was filed, because the cheating was so obvious and there was proof, an administrative bump was done.
 
Anybody know how much time you have to auto-appeal if you have one available? Does it need to be done by end of year? Before you play a qualifying match, or just anytime in the next calendar year?

And... if you wait, can give get a higher (or lower) chance of succeeding depending on results? e.g., say you got bumped up to 4.0 and play six or seven 4.0 matches during the spring and do mediocre or poorly, can you auto-appeal in like May or June and would your poor performance count to your dynamic, potentially helping your case of succeeding?
 

gmatheis

Hall of Fame
Anybody know how much time you have to auto-appeal if you have one available? Does it need to be done by end of year? Before you play a qualifying match, or just anytime in the next calendar year?

And... if you wait, can give get a higher (or lower) chance of succeeding depending on results? e.g., say you got bumped up to 4.0 and play six or seven 4.0 matches during the spring and do mediocre or poorly, can you auto-appeal in like May or June and would your poor performance count to your dynamic, potentially helping your case of succeeding?
Interesting question … my guess would be that you can appeal as much as you want and at any time, so yes you could try after several spring league losses.
I don't know for sure though.
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
Anybody know how much time you have to auto-appeal if you have one available? Does it need to be done by end of year? Before you play a qualifying match, or just anytime in the next calendar year?

And... if you wait, can give get a higher (or lower) chance of succeeding depending on results? e.g., say you got bumped up to 4.0 and play six or seven 4.0 matches during the spring and do mediocre or poorly, can you auto-appeal in like May or June and would your poor performance count to your dynamic, potentially helping your case of succeeding?
You can appeal at any time, but you are always appealing your year-end rating and not your current dynamic rating. You will get the same result no matter when you appeal (unless they change the appeal rules between your appeal attempts).
 
Thanks schmke... so, that also means, you can play the new (higher) level in the winter/spring even if you do well, but if you were within the Appeal threshold in December, the appeal would be granted in, say, June?
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
Thanks schmke... so, that also means, you can play the new (higher) level in the winter/spring even if you do well, but if you were within the Appeal threshold in December, the appeal would be granted in, say, June?
Yep. Say you are a year-end 4.0 and eligible and within range to appeal down to 3.5. If you do the appeal now, you are a 3.5A and can play at the 3.5 level and also play up at 4.0. If you don't appeal, you can play at the 4.0 level and also play up at 4.5. Doing the latter and then appealing down to 3.5 might look odd, particularly if you had success at 4.0 and 4.5, but yes, could happen.
 
This seems like a way to get to play up, so to speak, without risking getting strikes as a 3.5A. In other words the player could either appeal immediately and be a 3.5A, and then if he chooses to play 4.0 he is quite likely to get dynamic strikes... which might bump him back to 4.0 before the summer arrives. But in the alternative, he could play winter/spring as a 4.0C and then appeal down to 3.5A and not have any strikes, I assume.
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
This seems like a way to get to play up, so to speak, without risking getting strikes as a 3.5A. In other words the player could either appeal immediately and be a 3.5A, and then if he chooses to play 4.0 he is quite likely to get dynamic strikes... which might bump him back to 4.0 before the summer arrives. But in the alternative, he could play winter/spring as a 4.0C and then appeal down to 3.5A and not have any strikes, I assume.
Now, that is an interesting question. Certainly some (all?) of the 4.0 and 4.5 matches could have had the player's rating above the strike threshold, but at the time they weren't strikes because the player is a 4.0C. The question is, when they appeal, does the system go check for strikes already incurred or only check from that point on? Seems like a pretty big loophole if it only checks going forward.
 

Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
Honestly, there are way more players that I would file a complaint because they are rated too high. It’s a waste of my time to come out and play them during winter/high indoor court fee season. They should have to cover my court fees and pay me a clinic fee to show up to these USTA matches.
 

ShaunS

Semi-Pro
You can appeal at any time, but you are always appealing your year-end rating and not your current dynamic rating.
It seems like if you registered for a team at a level (say 4.0) that it should lock you into that ranking and remove your appeal option.
 

Rusbus

New User
Cosmos...You are correct that you can Auto appeal.....If the auto appeal is denied, USTA won't look at case by case bumps up or down just based off feedback from a member. Permanent medical issues are the only appeals looked at by humans.
 

CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
Cosmos...You are correct that you can Auto appeal.....If the auto appeal is denied, USTA won't look at case by case bumps up or down just based off feedback from a member. Permanent medical issues are the only appeals looked at by humans.
True, anyone know the range of auto appeal up and down approval?
 

Rusbus

New User
Its .05 I believe. So if you are 4.0 and your dynamic rating is 3.95 or higher your appeal will be granted.
 

badmice2

Semi-Pro
Was true, not sure that is the case anymore.
Qualifying for rating adjustments requires minimum of 3 matches played for calendar year. There are some exceptions to the rules - if you play less than 3 during regular adult season but played mixed, then mixed matches will count against your rating.

As always leagues with combined ratings such as combo or tri does not count towards ratings.
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
Qualifying for rating adjustments requires minimum of 3 matches played for calendar year. There are some exceptions to the rules - if you play less than 3 during regular adult season but played mixed, then mixed matches will count against your rating.

As always leagues with combined ratings such as combo or tri does not count towards ratings.
Blanket statements like this are almost always inaccurate with the USTA ... :eek:
 

badmice2

Semi-Pro
Blanket statements like this are almost always inaccurate with the USTA ... :eek:
I dont know what's worst, my consolidated "blanket" USTA "statement" or you're inability to seek facts...

Do some research before making stupid comments.

https://www.usta.com/en/home/play/play-as-a-member/national/usta-league-faqs.html

How many matches are required to generate a Year-End NTRP rating?

A minimum of three “valid” matches in qualifying USTA Leagues or NTRP tournaments opted-in by your Section are needed to generate a year-end rating. A valid match is defined as a team match in which a majority of the individual matches played by the two competing teams have completed at least six games.

Which matches count toward my rating and which matches do not count toward my rating?

All USTA Leagues (i.e. 18 & Over, 40 & Over, 55 & Over, 65 & Over) are included in the year-end NTRP rating calculation. Mixed Doubles Division results will only have an effect on the ratings of players who play exclusively Mixed Doubles. Each Section has the option to include or exclude other adult leagues as well as NTRP tournaments. Ladders, non-sanctioned leagues and non-sanctioned tournament results shall not be used to produce year-end ratings.
 

badmice2

Semi-Pro
So if one tanks or goes on a win streak against good players in Trilevel it doesn't affect their rating?
Can't speak to Tri-Level as I've never played it and not familiar with the match formats. If there's a combo factor in match play (i.e. combo doubles), I can't imagine how this would count against your rating at national level. I could be wrong.
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
I dont know what's worst, my consolidated "blanket" USTA "statement" or you're inability to seek facts...

Do some research before making stupid comments.

https://www.usta.com/en/home/play/play-as-a-member/national/usta-league-faqs.html

How many matches are required to generate a Year-End NTRP rating?

A minimum of three “valid” matches in qualifying USTA Leagues or NTRP tournaments opted-in by your Section are needed to generate a year-end rating. A valid match is defined as a team match in which a majority of the individual matches played by the two competing teams have completed at least six games.

Which matches count toward my rating and which matches do not count toward my rating?

All USTA Leagues (i.e. 18 & Over, 40 & Over, 55 & Over, 65 & Over) are included in the year-end NTRP rating calculation. Mixed Doubles Division results will only have an effect on the ratings of players who play exclusively Mixed Doubles. Each Section has the option to include or exclude other adult leagues as well as NTRP tournaments. Ladders, non-sanctioned leagues and non-sanctioned tournament results shall not be used to produce year-end ratings.
This time, nothing you stated is inaccurate. Your prior post did have inaccuracies. I know the facts, you've stated nothing in this response I didn't already know, I don't need to seek the facts out. I've done far more research on this subject than you ever will.

Since you do appear to be open to learning, your statement had several inaccuracies.

First, is your statement is that playing just Mixed will result in a new year-end rating. That simply isn't true as if you have a 2017 year-end C and only played Mixed in 2018, you will continue to have a C rating from 2017 and not get a new 2018 year-end M. It is only when your C rating expires that you would get a new M from playing just Mixed. Your blanket statement did not include anything about a C persisting until it expires and is why your statement was inaccurate.

Second, you said that Combo and Tri-Level never count for your rating and that is simply false. Some sections include these, some don't. In fact, what you just posted confirms this, I've bolded/underlined it above.

So I'll stand by my comment that your blanket statements were incorrect as my point is "it depends". Few things are cut and dried and can have a blanket statement made about them with the USTA.
 
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schmke

Hall of Fame
Can't speak to Tri-Level as I've never played it and not familiar with the match formats. If there's a combo factor in match play (i.e. combo doubles), I can't imagine how this would count against your rating at national level. I could be wrong.
And you were wrong, but now you know. But you were making a blanket statement that it didn't count without knowing anything about it? Nice. But that is why I said your blanket statements were not accurate.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
My advice is do Not get obsessed about rating cause it is NOT accurate. and those 2 other sites that is not USTA is even more inaccurate and should be banned
 
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