Vaccines required for RG this year

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Kralingen said:
You gotta work on that ability to read sarcasm my man

Fwiw Murica is relevant considering we host a Grand Slam in NYC along with 2 Masters. I could see Biden lifting some federal mandates but getting NYC vax mandates lifted seems unlikely, as a resident of the city itself.
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Thats why I left room for someone like you who skirts the line to someone who is just an a hole right winger. Because there is sarcasm and there is being a moron.
 
TopspintheTerrible said:
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Frank the Tank would definitely get vaccinated before going streaking in the quad..
 
I said this above. I don't know if people understand what Novak really has done. Not for me or you or some jerk off on the internet. But he has taken a position that he can't be flexible on. And people like me who think he is a lying jerk off well it doesnt matter. But what he has done is put himself into a position where he wants to play tennis, but he don't want to be vaccinated. Thats fine by me buddy. Don't get vaccinated and don't play tennis. But god help you when and if you do get vaccinated and do play tennis. Cause that side aint gonna forgive you. GOOOOOOOOD LUCK.
 
insideguy said:
Its incredible to me how these people make up narratives in their own minds not just in the present but in the future.
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It's funny; for anyone who reads French newspapers and watches French news; this is such an obvious development. Things could undoubtedly change but it was quite clear that this was never very far from being a possible outcome.

And the Parisien article specifically discusses Novak too:


"Reste à savoir si, dans ces conditions, Djokovic participera ou pas au tournoi de Roland-Garros. À date, c’est non. À moins d’une nette amélioration de la situation sanitaire ou d’une exemption s’il a, par exemple, attrapé le Covid. Ce qui était le cas en décembre pour le Serbe, mais on ne connaît pas encore les modalités ni la durée des possibles exemptions."


"It remains to be seen if, in these conditions, Djokovic will take part or not in the French Open. Currently, the answer is no. Unless the health situation clearly improves or he has an exemption, if one were to exist, from having contracted Covid. Which was the case for the Serb in December but we don't know the nature or length of possible exemptions"
 
movies99 said:
He'll still be an anti vaxer, exemption are for people who are in a physical state to take vaccines, not mental state.
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He also won't be able to try to get in with an incorrect visa this time. Not only France, but the whole world will be watching every single step, and looking at every document with a microscope.

And after that will be Wimbledon.
And after that, the USO.
 
About damn time. We're in the middle of a f*cking pandemic, and while you're free to remain an irresponsible idiot you must also understand that freedom does not come without consequences. Losing the privilege of being able to attend a large event (except for the immunocompromised) is one of them.

Speaking of idiots:

movies99 said:
It's clear whose brain has already shrunk, I hope you recover.
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Imagine calling oneself a "visionary" while being this stupid.

Tennis_Freak99 said:
We can just hope that he changes his mind
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He will once it becomes impossible to continue. Remember, the guy resisted going under the knife for years until it became necessary.

The Guru said:
I guess I can't speak to other cultures but individualism is still prevalent enough in America that there is a line the government can't cross. The line is constantly getting pushed back but it's not gone yet.
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You're making the all-too-common mistake of assuming the myth of American individualism where it no longer exists. If the last 6-7 years have taught us anything it's that whatever used to masquerade as "individualism" in the so-called American heartland is code for White revanchism for a historically privileged constituency that apprehend their declining power and refuse to give it up. They're not lashing out at the "elites" because they value their freedumb. They're throwing these temper tantrums over sensible public health measures because it's one of the few ways they can still make their previously outsize power known to their increasingly influential enemies (aka owning the libs).
 
NonP said:
About damn time. We're in the middle of a f*cking pandemic, and while you're free to remain an irresponsible idiot you must also understand that freedom does not come without consequences. Losing the privilege of being able to attend a large event (except for the immunocompromised) is one of them.

Speaking of idiots:



Imagine calling oneself a "visionary" while being this stupid.



He will once it becomes impossible to continue. Remember, the guy resisted going under the knife for years until it became necessary.



You're making the all-too-common mistake of assuming the myth of American individualism where it no longer exists. If the last 6-7 years have taught us anything it's that whatever used to masquerade as "individualism" in the so-called American heartland is code for White revanchism for a historically privileged constituency that apprehend their declining power and refuse to give it up. They're not lashing out at the "elites" because they value their freedumb. They're throwing these temper tantrums because it's one of the few ways they can still make their previously outsize power known to their increasingly influential enemies (aka owning the libs).
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It basically comes down to Mormons being free to marry and screw as many women as they want. Until someone said errrr yea we probably should become a state. Maybe we can forget this one.
 
Its incredible to me how these people make up narratives in their own minds not just in the present but in the future.
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Yes. It's also incredible to me that these defenders are not furious with Novak himself. HE is the one who is preventing them from watching and cheering for him. HE Is the one who is preventing them from watching him get 21 and verifying his GOAThood. Blame Novak for your disappointment. He is the one refusing to get vaccinated in order to play. Look at all the healthy guys and gals that played today on behalf of themselves, their teams, and their fans. Novak is not 'strong' for taking a stance. He's selfish.
 
TennisFan3 said:
Lol. The French sports minister has already said Novak will be able to play FO without vaccination. They will make an exception for him. He does not need any sort of vaccination to play F.O.
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You clearly know very little about French politics and how things work, The sports minister was predictably 'straightened out' by the current administration and that's why we are now seeing this clear realignment with Macron's very strongly stated COVID and vaccination preferences which are a central part of his reelection campaign. Most political commentators in France knew this was coming from a mile away. If he's reelected, this has a very good chance of being the state of affairs.
 
Cupcake said:
He also won't be able to try to get in with an incorrect visa this time. Not only France, but the whole world will be watching every single step, and looking at every document with a microscope.

And after that will be Wimbledon.
And after that, the USO.
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Another frustrating offshoot from this is that the plight of people who genuinely qualify for exemptions has potentially been trivialised by association. Many of these people may already feel like they are walking on egg-shells........
 
intrepidish said:
You clearly know very little about French politics and how things work, The sports minister was predictably 'straightened out' by the current administration and that's why we are now seeing this clear realignment with Macron's very strongly stated COVID and vaccination preferences which are a central part of his reelection campaign. Most political commentators in French knew this was coming from a mile away. If he's reelected, this has a very good chance of being the state of affairs.
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That French sportminster has been very quiet over the last few days.
 
NonP said:
About damn time. We're in the middle of a f*cking pandemic, and while you're free to remain an irresponsible idiot you must also understand that freedom does not come without consequences. Losing the privilege of being able to attend a large event (except for the immunocompromised) is one of them.

Speaking of idiots:



Imagine calling oneself a "visionary" while being this stupid.



He will once it becomes impossible to continue. Remember, the guy resisted going under the knife for years until it became necessary.



You're making the all-too-common mistake of assuming the myth of American individualism where it no longer exists. If the last 6-7 years have taught us anything it's that whatever used to masquerade as "individualism" in the so-called American heartland is code for White revanchism for a historically privileged constituency that apprehend their declining power and refuse to give it up. They're not lashing out at the "elites" because they value their freedumb. They're throwing these temper tantrums over sensible public health measures because it's one of the few ways they can still make their previously outsize power known to their increasingly influential enemies (aka owning the libs).
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Bro, you quoted me, instead of user visionary who used person attacks in the first place and his post is already deleted.
 
As far as I remember the French Sports Minister only ever said "that's the position at the moment" - and it was fairly obvious to anyone seeing Macron's statement about the unvaxxed that it was unlikely to last.
 
intrepidish said:
You clearly know very little about French politics and how things work,
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I was thinking today that a great many of these folks who are both ignorant and incapable of critical thinking, may be the result of home schooling by equally 'gifted' parents. Not all home schooling is bad of course, but it sure would explain a lot. For civics and health classes, these unfortunates were probably put in front of the tv tuned into a certain network.
 
Cupcake said:
I was thinking today that a great many of these folks who are both ignorant and incapable of critical thinking, may be the result of home schooling by equally 'gifted' parents. Not all home schooling is bad of course, but it sure would explain a lot. For civics and health classes, these unfortunates were probably put in front of the tv tuned into a certain network.
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The undue confidence many of them feel is likely a product of not having sustained engagement with people outside their limited experience and world views but while still having some scattered online sources which make 'expertise' and 'worldly knowledge' seem like a matter of listening to a podcast or their favorite crank etc.

In the case of Americans in particular, this has always been somewhat of an issue and never more so than today.
 
NonP said:
You're making the all-too-common mistake of assuming the myth of American individualism where it no longer exists. If the last 6-7 years have taught us anything it's that whatever used to masquerade as "individualism" in the so-called American heartland is code for White revanchism for a historically privileged constituency that apprehend their declining power and refuse to give it up. They're not lashing out at the "elites" because they value their freedumb. They're throwing these temper tantrums over sensible public health measures because it's one of the few ways they can still make their previously outsize power known to their increasingly influential enemies (aka owning the libs).
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I'm gonna defend Guru here

a) Black and Latino communities have lower vaccination rates than White Americans everywhere -- (this is not a dogwhistle, just a fact), and I think that for many, especially in the black community, individualism and resistance to mandated vaccines is the reason. Of course, there are some very important cultural and historical reasons for this, just pointing out that your 'White revanchism' is not an all encompassing point, nor does it explain the vaccine hesitancy in this country by a long shot.

b) like it or not, Americans are selfish people. That's my view of the word individualism anyways. Obsessed with their image, status, wealth, and above all, ego. We must have the worst collectivism in the world. Moreso than Australians who I think genuinely believe in making a sacrifice for their community. We are all about incentives here - that's it. I don't think the moral backing for vaccines exists as much in the US as the 'if I don't get vaccinated I can't go to bars' incentives exists. You may disagree, I know I'm right. Hell, we nearly had to force people to cash their stimulus checks because of how large the brainwashing is here. The stigma of 'hand outs' runs so deeply here. It's no wonder our tax rates are so low comparatively, the Overton window is so far to the right.

c) I joked about guns, but they are an important metaphor for the amendment based (usually limited to only the first two, roflmao) freedom view that many people in the country cling to. Every other developed nation has been able to successfully limit and/or ban guns except for this one. There is explanatory power in that case study. Many people will go to the grave with the belief that they need a firearm to protect their family, and that they alone will need to survive an apocalypse. Doomsday prep is the highest demographically in this country for a reason.

d) As communities, traditional communities, and institutions either fracture or are closed entirely due to COVID regulations, we go online for community. Like it or not, vaccine hesitancy and conspiracy theories are an extremely attractive fantasy world for many people. In countries which have existed for much longer, these communities are not as easy to erode. Here, they're gone in a flash. in that respect the threshold for someone becoming an 'individual' or lonely is much lower here.
 
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Fedforever said:
As far as I remember the French Sports Minister only ever said "that's the position at the moment" - and it was fairly obvious to anyone seeing Macron's statement about the unvaxxed that it was unlikely to last.
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It was a grandstanding move by her and seen as such at the time. It came in for a lot of criticism in France and the current position has received a good deal of support already.
 
Kralingen said:
I kept telling people that Macron was going to make vaccination mandatory at RG itself.

It's not an national entry issue for Nole this time, it's that Roland Garros is actually a public park and every other person there will have been vaccinated to enter.

Again, people laughed at me earlier this week, but I will repeat it. If Djokovic is unwilling to be vaccinated at all, he may have to seriously consider retirement from tennis. He's not going to be able to play more than half of the Masters/Slam schedule this year.
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It depends. If the new variant is so mild that it becomes like common cold then I don't think any government will mandate it. I'd say by end of this year.
 
intrepidish said:
In the case of Americans in particular, this has always been somewhat of an issue and never more so than today.
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It's truly worrying. I've always thought Americans should travel outside the country to see how good they (we) really have it. Most have no clue what living in poverty or oppression really looks like. Most have no clue how truly lucky we are.
 
Cupcake said:
It's truly worrying. I've always thought Americans should travel outside the country to see how good they (we) really have it. Most have no clue what living in poverty or oppression really looks like. Most have no clue how truly lucky we are.
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Many Americans who live outside the US for any length of time do learn to take stock of the massive disconnect between the popular American self-image and the social reality. However, I would say that of so-called developed countries, the US is the one where that gap is the largest and where it's the most difficult to penetrate it while still within its borders.

We used to use terms like 'false consciousness' to describe this sort of thing back when the Frankfurt School was still somewhat widely read...
 
NonP said:
About damn time. We're in the middle of a f*cking pandemic, and while you're free to remain an irresponsible idiot you must also understand that freedom does not come without consequences. Losing the privilege of being able to attend a large event (except for the immunocompromised) is one of them.
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Who/what do you think has cause this "f*cking pandemic"? The f*cking food market? Unvaccinated tennis players? Only idiots like you think that Novak is an extreme danger to the society because he isn't vaccinated. The virus isn't nearly as serious as in Wuhan when it started but your junkie soul's anxious for boosters. Perhaps, that's why you won't ask why those big pharma guys haven't come up with an oral SOLUTION.
NonP said:
Imagine calling oneself a "visionary" while being this stupid.
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Is "NonP" smarter? What does it stand for NonPlussed or NonProfitable?
 
intrepidish said:
Many Americans who live outside the US for any length of time do learn to take stock of the massive disconnect between the popular American self-image and the social reality. However, I would say that of so-called developed countries, the US is the one where that gap is the largest and where it's the most difficult to penetrate it while still within its borders.

We used to use terms like 'false consciousness' to describe this sort of thing back when the Frankfurt School was still somewhat widely read...
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What do you mean somewhat widely read?

Are you trying to tell me all the people online who call minorities in movies 'cultural marxism' haven't read Adorno, Marcuse, or Horkheimer???
 
Kralingen said:
What do you mean somewhat widely read?

Are you trying to tell me all the people online who call minorities in movies 'cultural marxism' haven't read Adorno, Marcuse, or Horkheimer???
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I'm going to guess that relative to the entire US population, the number of people who could even begin to decipher what you just wrote doesn't even approximate a single percent ;)
 
novak and his 'principles'
same principles that break quarantine and go to a photshoot whilst knowingly having covid?
same principles that are found with kids in a serbian kids tennis event, whilst having covid unknowingly(but when his PCR was known)?
same principles that fail to disclose travel on a simple Visa?
and also failing to adhere to the laws of travel in a modern economy - i.e. double vaccination, therefore ending up in detention and paraded around melbourne like a common criminal?
 
lol
really.
here after 2 vaccines
I know 3 people in last 3 weeks test +.. all double vaxxed
one already has booster.
All tested +..
all told to self isolate 5 days
all then retest + but are told can go back to work as already isolated.

yes
this is all about control.
 
cartel said:
lol
really.
here after 2 vaccines
I know 3 people in last 3 weeks test +.. all double vaxxed
one already has booster.
All tested +..
all told to self isolate 5 days
all then retest + but are told can go back to work as already isolated.

yes
this is all about control.
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Definitely. It's all a joke.
 
NonP said:
You're making the all-too-common mistake of assuming the myth of American individualism where it no longer exists. If the last 6-7 years have taught us anything it's that whatever used to masquerade as "individualism" in the so-called American heartland is code for White revanchism for a historically privileged constituency that apprehend their declining power and refuse to give it up. They're not lashing out at the "elites" because they value their freedumb. They're throwing these temper tantrums over sensible public health measures because it's one of the few ways they can still make their previously outsize power known to their increasingly influential enemies (aka owning the libs).
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This is perfectly said. Agree 100 percent.
American individualism is a unicorn. Can't believe that people are deluded enough to believe it.
 
Kralingen said:
I'm gonna defend Guru here

a) Black and Latino communities have lower vaccination rates than White Americans everywhere -- (this is not a dogwhistle, just a fact), and I think that for many, especially in the black community, individualism and resistance to mandated vaccines is the reason. Of course, there are some very important cultural and historical reasons for this, just pointing out that your 'White revanchism' is not an all encompassing point, nor does it explain the vaccine hesitancy in this country by a long shot.
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Have you looked at the latest data on that?
 
NonP said:
You're making the all-too-common mistake of assuming the myth of American individualism where it no longer exists. If the last 6-7 years have taught us anything it's that whatever used to masquerade as "individualism" in the so-called American heartland is code for White revanchism for a historically privileged constituency that apprehend their declining power and refuse to give it up. They're not lashing out at the "elites" because they value their freedumb. They're throwing these temper tantrums over sensible public health measures because it's one of the few ways they can still make their previously outsize power known to their increasingly influential enemies (aka owning the libs).
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Even if that were true that's not the way that I'm using the word so instead of calling me an idiot and acting like a complete åsshole maybe actually take the time to understand what I'm saying. Or don't but then you have no right to call me an idiot when you're completely ignorant about what I think. I would rather be wrong and a respectable human being than behave like this towards someone I don't even know. Don't put your complexes about politics on me.
 
NYC has a vaccination requirement for public places - so Djokovic won't play the US Open, either?
 
movdqa said:
NYC has a vaccination requirement for public places - so Djokovic won't play the US Open, either?
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im sure he'll get it if he has too.. he just thought he could get away with not getting vaxxed..
like his elbow surgery he put off for a year and a half..
 
So why havent Djokovic taken the vaccine?
Consider the following data from Sweden , (population 10M) on reported SIDE EFFECTS of covid vaccine (reported by hospital staff or patient)

A. Reported SERIOUS side effects: 5526
B. Reported deaths: 280

And that's from Pfizer only. Then add for Moderna and Astra xenica, another 86 deaths plus almost 2000 more SERIOUS side effects.

Add, of those that died in Corona since July 2021, vaccinated 72 ,%, unvaccinated 28 %.
 
The Guru said:
They'll give a **** when the economy takes hits and they risk losing their access to the money and power that they love so much because the civilians have reached a sufficient level of unrest to vote them out. Seems to be happening here in the US where people are expecting a red wave this year because the economy has been sputtering and people are sick of COVID regulations. It's possible that doesn't happen but I can't imagine people won't get tired of all the COVID regulations.
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Economy will take hits because of unvaccinated people not being able to go to the cinemas? LOL . But apparently treating covid patients is not affecting economies. It's all achieved by positive thinking.
 
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