Vajda: Djokovic pushed himself too hard after Wimbledon

ALL IN said:
Djokovic, and most of the top players, are extremely competitive and all push themselves beyond what their bodies allow. This extraordinary drive is the reason they are on top of the world and also the reason they slip from that position every so often only to come back stronger. I believe any of the top 4 players could finish #1 next year.

I don't expect those who haven't accomplished anything at the professional level in sports to understand the dynamics involved. The first post you see after a sub par performance of a top tennis player is "He's done". What a joke.
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Isn't it physically impossible to push yourself beyond what your body will allow?
 
ALL IN said:
I have no idea what that means.
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In other words, you speak of mind. What is mind? Did you not use your mind to conjure up the very concept of mind? i.e. I'm saying there is nothing more than the body. If the body (which includes the mind) won't allow it, then it cannot be done.
 
LOLz. What a crybaby. Who cares how hard anybody trains? He had a shockingly light playing schedule in the second half of the year and could not maintain his level. Simple as that. The earlier he recognizes that the less scorn he'll invite.
 
DjokovicForTheWin said:
In other words, you speak of mind. What is mind? Did you not use your mind to conjure up the very concept of mind? i.e. I'm saying there is nothing more than the body. If the body (which includes the mind) won't allow it, then it cannot be done.
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You have much to learn, I'll just leave it at that.
 
Novak shouldn't have played Davis Cup or Basel then he would have been able to take Shanghai and the WTF.

I think I remember reading that if he played Shanghai he received an additional 1.2 million dollars. He retired after 1 or 2 matches lol.
 
This is way, Federer is the GOAT.

He did almost the same in 2004, 2006 and 2007 and he never pushed himself too hard. He could do it almost injury free.

Rafa and Novak did it but with a lot of cost to their bodies.
 
ALL IN said:
Djokovic, and most of the top players, are extremely competitive and all push themselves beyond what their bodies allow. This extraordinary drive is the reason they are on top of the world and also the reason they slip from that position every so often only to come back stronger. I believe any of the top 4 players could finish #1 next year.

I don't expect those who haven't accomplished anything at the professional level in sports to understand the dynamics involved. The first post you see after a sub par performance of a top tennis player is "He's done". What a joke.
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By definition, it is impossible to push yourself beyond your body's limits.
 
ThoughtCrime said:
Mhmm, they're called "limits" for a reason. Now I think pushing oneself to the absolute border of ones limits is a better description.
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Right. Or saying "pushing it to the limit".

Sometimes sports commentators say "pushing themselves beyond their limits". That is fine, but it is just rhetorical. If we're actually having a serious conversation, it is impossible.
 
dh003i said:
Right. Or saying "pushing it to the limit".

Sometimes sports commentators say "pushing themselves beyond their limits". That is fine, but it is just rhetorical. If we're actually having a serious conversation, it is impossible.
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it's a same as saying giving "110%" or some % > 100 :)
 
tusharlovesrafa said:
I just came to know that you got poped out..No surprises..You better refrain from taking care of t ard and trash or else some one might flush you"forever" for good..:)
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This is a double positive. Does that make it a negative? so someone will never flush you, ever?
 
Semi-Pro said:
How did he get banned in the first place is a better question? Yes DFTW can be outrageous at times but mostly he speaks the truth!
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There's a couple of 'individuals' around here who go report-crazy when someone doesn't agree with them.
 
CDestroyer said:
This statement is just stupid.
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Says the guy with Beavis and Butthead as an avatar that hasn't studied for a second the relationship between mind and body. I didn't make this up, it's thoroughly documented in many books. Of course I don't expect many people here to read any worthwhile and informative literature.

Look up the "fight or flight" response in humans. A small component in the relationship between the body and the mind. Are you aware of the differences between conscious and sub-conscious mind? I bet not.
 
dh003i said:
By definition, it is impossible to push yourself beyond your body's limits.
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What definition? Define "beyond your limits".

Ever run til you puke from exhaustion? What if I told you while you're keeled over in your own vomit completely exhausted that there is something I could do that will make you get up and run another few miles at your top speed? If that were to happen, would that define "beyond your limits'?

On another note, if you over train and don't allow the proper time for your body to recover, you have pushed it beyond it's limits and it will preserve itself by disallowing the expenditure of more energy until full recovery.
 
You're right, of course, ALL IN, but don't expect the anti-Rafa brigade on this forum to understand an intelligent argument. They're more into the 12 year old type taunting and bashing and insulting.
 
dudeski said:
How do you get yourself unbanned? I am asking in case I need to do that one day :)
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Most bans are for a week or so, so they expire. Clarky21 is an exceptional case who gets banned for only a day at a time. She must "know people". ;)

The best is to avoid a ban by not insulting posters. If you really find a poster irritating, then instead of calling him names you can:
1. put him on ignore list

If that still doesn't feel satisfying enuf, you can :

2. respond to his silly posts with replies like:
"most excellent post"
"I totally agree"
and such-like. Also, check some of Hit-man's posts.

But never never insult a poster, it only gives them more passion and mental strength. :)
 
ALL IN said:
Djokovic, and most of the top players, are extremely competitive and all push themselves beyond what their bodies allow. This extraordinary drive is the reason they are on top of the world and also the reason they slip from that position every so often only to come back stronger. I believe any of the top 4 players could finish #1 next year.

I don't expect those who haven't accomplished anything at the professional level in sports to understand the dynamics involved. The first post you see after a sub par performance of a top tennis player is "He's done". What a joke.
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So.... ALL IN what sports were you able to achieve professional status in? If you haven't, then by your own statement, you don't know either.

Do tell
 
Sentinel said:
Most bans are for a week or so, so they expire. Clarky21 is an exceptional case who gets banned for only a day at a time. She must "know people". ;)

The best is to avoid a ban by not insulting posters. If you really find a poster irritating, then instead of calling him names you can:
1. put him on ignore list

If that still doesn't feel satisfying enuf, you can :

2. respond to his silly posts with replies like:
"most excellent post"
"I totally agree"
and such-like. Also, check some of Hit-man's posts.

But never never insult a poster, it only gives them more passion and mental strength. :)
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Clarky has some "SPECIAL" arrangements with mods..

I totally agree...most excellent post..SIR.:)
 
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vernonbc said:
You're right, of course, ALL IN, but don't expect the anti-Rafa brigade on this forum to understand an intelligent argument. They're more into the 12 year old type taunting and bashing and insulting.
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I died laughing at this statement, coming from a group of fans that insulted Federer and his wife on this board because Federer lost a match to Nadal :roll:
 
dennis10is said:
So.... ALL IN what sports were you able to achieve professional status in? If you haven't, then by your own statement, you don't know either.

Do tell
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I am a Psychologist with experience counseling professional athletes among other things. I played #1 singles for four years at a D1 school, have an older brother who played in the NBA from 92-99 and a younger brother who had acquired 105 ATP points at one time, also in the mid 90's. If you think I'm not qualified to make these assessments, I respect your opinion, but politely disagree.
 
ALL IN said:
What definition? Define "beyond your limits".
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That which is physically impossible for a person to do. e.g., jump 10 feet high.

If an angry bear intent on killing someone was chasing them, that would push them to their limits (but not beyond, which is impossible).
 
I think whether you can push yourself beyond your limit or not is based on what you define as your body's limit. For example there are several known documented cases of people performing inhuman feats of strength - such as a rock climber throwing an 800 lb slab of rock off his body when he was trapped. Of course immediately after, he suffered from torn muscles ligaments and what not. I would not define 800 lbs as the bodys limit just because he was able to do it. For me the body's limit would be what you can achieve WITHOUT injuring yourself. For example I run 5ks now. I could probably do 10-15k without injuring myself. If I ran a marathon, I would probably end up with knee and foot pain for a month so THAT would be what i define to be my limit. But I'm pretty sure that if my survival depended on it I could do 100k!!

Basically there are 2 limits. One is the limit of what you can do without damaging your body and one is the limit of what you can do in some extreme survival situation and which will wreck your body but keep you alive.
 
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kragster said:
I think whether you can push yourself beyond your limit or not is based on what you define as your body's limit. For example there are several known documented cases of people performing inhuman feats of strength - such as a rock climber throwing an 800 lb slab of rock off his body when he was trapped. Of course immediately after, he suffered from torn muscles ligaments and what not. I would not define 800 lbs as the bodys limit just because he was able to do it. For me the body's limit would be what you can achieve WITHOUT injuring yourself. For example I run 5ks now. I could probably do 10-15k without injuring myself. If I ran a marathon, I would probably end up with knee and foot pain for a month so THAT would be what i define to be my limit. But I'm pretty sure that if my survival depended on it I could do 100k!!

Basically there are 2 limits. One is the limit of what you can do without damaging your body and one is the limit of what you can do in some extreme survival situation and which will wreck your body but keep you alive.
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then you don't understand the concept of limit.
 
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